Thursday, September 5th 2019

Intel to Increase Cores-to-the-Dollar Across the Board with Cascade Lake-X?

Intel is preparing to increase core-counts across the board with its upcoming Core X "Cascade Lake-X" HEDT processor family, launching next month. The first indication of this comes from an Intel slide that claims a 1.74 to 2.09x increase in performance-per-Dollar over "Skylake-X." The "Cascade Lake" microarchitecture already made its debut in the enterprise market as Intel's 2nd generation Xeon Scalable processors, and its IPC is similar clock-to-clock, to its predecessor (Skylake).

If Intel is claiming such performance-per-Dollar increases, it only points to a significant increase in core counts to the Dollar (think 16-core at $999, 28-core at $1999, etc.). Adding value to these chips are certain new AI accelerating instruction sets, such as DLBoost, support for Optane DC Persistent Memory, increased memory clock-speeds, and higher CPU clocks across the board compared to the Core X 9000-series. The Core X "Cascade Lake-X" processor family debuts this October.
Source: Tom's Hardware
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50 Comments on Intel to Increase Cores-to-the-Dollar Across the Board with Cascade Lake-X?

#1
londiste
Doesn't Intel release like one press release for all this stuff?
This is all marketing bullshit for multitude of reasons.
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#4
ratirt
I'd like to see the increased clocks OP is mentioning.
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#5
3rold
wow, such value
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Xx Tek Tip xX
The value is likely obtained by increasing all core AVX clocks and increasing the AVX 512 clocks, they have not specified what workloads this used making it essentially meaningless.
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bonehead123
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The value is likely obtained by increasing all core AVX clocks and increasing the AVX 512 clocks, they have not specified what workloads this used making it essentially meaningless.
workloads you say ???

The only "loads" Intel ever cares about are the mega-butt LOADS of money that they charge for their stuff :cry: :eek: :(
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bonehead123
The only "loads" Intel ever cares about are the mega-butt LOADS of money that they charge for their stuff :cry: :eek: :(
Then get a job, or buy AMD instead.
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ratirt
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Then get a job, or buy AMD instead.
So AMD is still for poor people? I feel kinda offended :P
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ratirt
So AMD is still for poor people? I feel kinda offended :p
Not really, AMD is simply just better when working off a tight budget.
Intel is more about performance at a premium much like apple is premium for the brand (which is arguably worse)
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bonehead123
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Then get a job, or buy AMD instead.
Well EXCUSE me, but I have a job, a very well paying one at that, and can afford to buy about anything I want... but that doesn't mean that I don't understand the economics behind cpu prices, and intel's have always been overpriced for what you get on a price-to-performance aspect.....

As for AMD, I think they have come along way forwards in their fight against intel, but I also think they still have some more work to do before they can claim a solid, significant win in the overall cpu market... when that happens, my money will go to them instead
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#12
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
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Intel is more about performance at a premium
Well, it's starting to look more like pretty similar performance, so now all you're paying for is the name... and mitigations. :laugh:
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Aquinus
Well, it's starting to look more like pretty similar performance, so now all you're paying for is the name... and mitigations. :laugh:
Hardly if you can make use of AVX 512, Cascade Lake-X will have new AVX 512 instructions which will be significantly faster than a 7980xe/9980xe in those cases. In general it is another refresh but it's an improvement unlike the 7980xe ---> 9980xe which was quite literally adding solder which just allowed higher clocks with no real improvement. Not to mention the other minor improvements, like 256gb of DDR4 support and 4 more PCI lanes.

bonehead123
Well EXCUSE me, but I have a job, a very well paying one at that, and can afford to buy about anything I want... but that doesn't mean that I don't understand the economics behind cpu prices, and intel's have always been overpriced for what you get on a price-to-performance aspect.....
I find this hilarious given that you own a 9700k lacking HT and a RTX 2080 which was a massive worse rebrand over a 1080ti.
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Aquinus
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Hardly if you can make use of AVX 512, Cascade Lake-X will have new AVX 512 instructions which will be significantly faster than a 7980xe/9980xe in those cases.
I find your faith in AVX 512 sort of disturbing considering that means nothing for most software.
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Aquinus
That's why Google is starting to adopt AMD CPUs, right? :laugh:
https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/compute/amd-epyc-processors-come-to-google-and-to-google-cloud
That's completely unrelated, EYPC is not directly comparable to Skylake-X you shouldn't compare server and HEDT.
Also if you'd like to talk about the article the reason they opted for AMD in the first place is that their workload is influenced by memory bandwidth, which still makes intel the better choice and the Xeon Platinum 9282 supports 12 memory channels versus 8 on EYPC.
Source? The article you just linked:
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AnarchoPrimitiv
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Then get a job, or buy AMD instead.
Can we all agree that for the most part, complaining is the only way to bring attention to a problem which in turn gets the problem fixed. I really dislike this whole "never complain about anything" mentality that's way too pervasive and, at least in America, manifested in such shortcuts to thinking as "love it or leave it" as if life is nothing more than only two choices at any give time: a false binary. What I mention whenever I hear that phrase is: "Tell me, if George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc had obeyed such a self imposed ignorance, how would this country you're telling me to blindly support or get out, even exist? Because they certainly didn't" love it" and they certainly didn't "leave it".

Secondly, to the individuals trying to silence criticism, not directed at you, towards people or objects not connected to you, why do you even care? Why have you become a self-appointed defender of the status quo for no discerbly logical or rational reason? Why has the user I'm replying to seemingly taken offense to this other user pointing out a truth we all know (Intel is a ripoff) and then proceeded to become an apologist for Intel's actions? Does he own thousands of shares in Intel and for some mystifying reason think that silencing a single comment, partially made in jest, will protect his investment? Probably not, so why? Is he trying to motivate the possible regret he may feel for the Intel cpu sitting in his computer right now, and to justify his purchase, ex post facto, he's going to justify it on the abstracted basis that owningan Intel cpu is about being apart of an upper class or an elite group (the old "apple tax" justification) instead of being about what a CPU is intended to provide: performance with value?

There's pervasive psychosis permeating through the tech community in general with its most virulent form manifesting in the PC hardware community. My best deduction is that it revolves around social identity theory and in/out group psychology which has somehow mutated the act of purchasing a piece of hardware from a typical consumer decision based on quantifiable factors like "price to performance" into choosing sides in a war of genocide and ethnic cleansing sealed with a blood oath....somehow, buying a cpu or videocard has become the equivalent of turning the consumer into a samurai ready to defend the honor of his shogun that goes by a brand's name. It's become increasingly difficult to ignore this behavior as it's to the point where everyone knows that as soon as a tech news sites newest articles load, if Intel, AMD, or Nvidia are mentioned, the comments section is going to be a bloodletting in which a Cadre of militant psychos will resort to any behavior to find an opportunity to unleash the killing blow. Is there anywhere on the internet where it's possible to find fruitful conversation not poisoned by these "people" who've adopted their videocard's manufacturer as their infallible overlord and diety?
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
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That's completely unrelated, EYPC is not directly comparable to Skylake-X you shouldn't compare server and HEDT.
Also if you'd like to talk about the article the reason they opted for AMD in the first place is that their workload is influenced by memory bandwidth, which still makes intel the better choice and the Xeon Platinum 9282 supports 12 memory channels versus 8 on EYPC.
Source? The article you just linked:

The point is that AMD has proven that they're outpacing Intel in the server market and in the mainstream market. Once we see a refresh of Threadripper with Zen 2 parts, we'll see that for HEDT as well. It's all the same chiplets being used, so there is no expectation that it'll be any different.

Also, this kind of shift in the server market should scare Intel. That's where they make most of their money, not on HEDT parts.
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Aquinus
The point is that AMD has proven that they're outpacing Intel in the server market
That article does not include current gen intel server CPUs and only the previous gen that had been released back in Q3 2017 (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/120496/intel-xeon-platinum-8180-processor-38-5m-cache-2-50-ghz.html)
Also Linux really? Not everyone runs Linux on a daily system.
Aquinus
Once we see a refresh of Threadripper with Zen 2 parts, we'll see that for HEDT as well.
And all it takes is intel to move a Xeon Platinum 9282 to the Cascade Lake-X platform on the ultra premium HEDT and unlock it then a 64 core threadripper will definitely not lead for very long.
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#22
Chomiq
So is this 14#### or 10nm?
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
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That article does not include current gen intel server CPUs and only the previous gen that had been released back in Q3 2017 (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/120496/intel-xeon-platinum-8180-processor-38-5m-cache-2-50-ghz.html)
Also Linux really? Not everyone runs Linux on a daily system.

And all it takes is intel to move a Xeon Platinum 9282 to the Cascade Lake-X platform on the ultra premium HEDT and unlock it then a 64 core threadripper will definitely not lead for very long.
If you want to ignore everything because there is always some reason, so be it. Keep drinking the kool-aid and see how far that gets you. The bottom line is that AMD is more of a threat than they've been in a very long time and ignoring that isn't going to do anyone any good.
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Aquinus
The bottom line is that AMD is more of a threat than they've been in a very long time and ignoring that isn't going to do anyone any good.
Ignoring? Hardly. AMD is doing well in sales, and is starting to become actually relevant again, ultimately Intel won't win in price to performance unless they pull another skylake like they did to FX - which isn't going to happen again likely, they still hold the pure performance without value part though in OS's outside of Linux.
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#25
londiste
Intel is definitely not ignoring AMD being a threat. They cannot do much with current chips and the prices are coming down to retain some degree of competitiveness.
It does not change the fact that there are areas where Intel Xeons are more competitive than simple core count and frequency comparison would suggest.
Chomiq
So is this 14#### or 10nm?
14nm.
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