Friday, September 27th 2019

Intel Gen12 iGPU With 96 Execution Units Rears Its Head in Compubench

Intel's upcoming Gen12 iGPU solutions are being touted as sporting Intel's greatest architecture shift in their integrated graphics technologies in a decade. For one, each Execution unit will be freed of the additional workload of having to guarantee data coherency between register reads and writes - that work is being handed over to a reworked compiler, thus freeing up cycles that could be better spent processing triangles. But of course, there are easier ways to improve a GPU's performance without extensive reworks of their design (as AMD and NVIDIA have shown us time and again) - simply by increasing the number of execution units. And it seems Intel is ready to do just that with their Gen12 as well.

An unidentified Intel Gen12 iGPU was benchmarked in CompuBench, and the report includes interesting tidbits, such as the number of Execution Units - 96, a vast increase over Intel's most powerful iGPU to date, the Iris Pro P580, with its 72 EU - and far, far away from the consumer market's UHD 630 and its 24 EUs. The Gen12 iGPU that was benchmarked increases the EU count by 33% compared to Intel's top performing iGPU - add to that performance increases through the "extensive architecture rework", and we could be looking at an Intel iGPU part that achieves some 40% (speculative) better performance than their current best performer. The part was clocked at 1.1 GHz - and the Iris Pro P580 also clocked to that maximum clock under the best Boost conditions. Let's see what next-gen Intel has in store for us, shall we?
Sources: CompuBench, via Reddit, NotebookCheck
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29 Comments on Intel Gen12 iGPU With 96 Execution Units Rears Its Head in Compubench

#1
Vayra86
Cool story but until the actual silicon says 'available' in stores, I'm not impressed.

Or, this could be broadwell all over again.
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#2
_Flare
Gen11 (64EU) vs Gen12 (96EU)
compubench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=compu20d&did1=78408193&os1=Windows&api1=cl&hwtype1=iGPU&hwname1=Intel%28R%29+Graphics+gfx-driver-user-master-28576+ReleaseInternal&D2=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29+i5-1035G7+CPU+with+Iris%28R%29+Plus+Graphics
Vayra86
Cool story but until the actual silicon says 'available' in stores, I'm not impressed.

Or, this could be broadwell all over again.
It´s a non-premium solution with a premium price, very likely only available in low power targeting markets.
Eventually faster than the last Vega APU before AMD switches to Navi, after that AMD will be ahead again.
And i bet Intel will never bring Desktop-iGPU-Perf anywhere near AMD.

Where there any of the GT3e (48EU) and GT4e (72EU) solutions broadly available for Desktops? Not really.
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#3
silentbogo
Still slower than Vega 11. By the time this thing actually hits the market, AMD will be already killing it with an integrated Navi.
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#4
_Flare
silentbogo
Still slower than Vega 11. By the time this thing actually hits the market, AMD will be already killing it with an integrated Navi.
Navi-APU will take a while, actually the rumours tell that Zen2 APU will get only a Vega derivate, maybe it´s because the new cache hierachy doesnt work on DDR4 or something ...
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#5
ZoneDymo
If true then that could be pretty cool, an IGPU from Intel that can perhaps be used as a proper dedicated unit for doing livestreaming rendering (quicktime) at like 1080p 60fps performance loss free.

Lots of speculation obviously, but I like the idea of it.
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#6
silentbogo
_Flare
Navi-APU will take a while, actually the rumours tell that Zen2 APU will get only a Vega derivate, maybe it´s because the new cache hierachy doesnt work on DDR4 or something ...
They still have time. Renoir should land sometime in Q1-Q2 2020, maybe even before Ice Lake (if Intel keeps delaying it).
So at least until Q2-Q3 2020 they have no incentive to roll out Navi-based APUs in any segment, cause Intel's entire next year is still going to be powered by Gen11 graphics.
I'm still kinda bummed out by recent desktop APUs, but I guess that's what happens when there is no competition...
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#7
R0H1T
Not that impressive as far as the results are concerned, Vega on 7nm should still easily beat this unless AMD lowball the APU with nerfed clocks &/or resources including bandwidth which btw is higher than what ICL officially supports. Check any 2400g or 3400g results & that's where I expect top the line Vega (IGP) models to perform, still much better than what ICL is showing currently.
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#8
JAB Creations
"This doesn't impress my 12 year old immature egotistical brain."

I'm a developer, a type of engineer. I can appreciate that this kind of work requires a lot of engineering to go right to get a tenth of the way to producing something even worth listening about. While I don't like Intel because of their cronyism I still enjoy the prospect of eventually seeing more competition (at least as far as GPUs are concerned though a third or even fourth AMD/Intel level x86 competitor would be nice). So just in case there are some engineers out there reading the comments please know that not all of us hardware enthusiasts think multi-billion dollar corporations exists to please a 12 year old immature undeveloped egotistical punks.
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#9
Vya Domus
JAB Creations
"This doesn't impress my 12 year old immature egotistical brain."

I'm a developer, a type of engineer. I can appreciate that this kind of work requires a lot of engineering to go right to get a tenth of the way to producing something even worth listening about. While I don't like Intel because of their cronyism I still enjoy the prospect of eventually seeing more competition (at least as far as GPUs are concerned though a third or even fourth AMD/Intel level x86 competitor would be nice). So just in case there are some engineers out there reading the comments please know that not all of us hardware enthusiasts think multi-billion dollar corporations exists to please a 12 year old immature undeveloped egotistical punks.
I have an engineering background too and I know what kind of work goes into developing these things, however, I feel no obligation of sorts to praise everything a company does just because of the work their engineers do.

Unfortunately for us Intel/AMD/Nvidia/etc are faceless corporations that spit out products for money and despite the impressive level of engineering that goes on under the hood, yes, sometimes I am not impressed. Don't be this pompous, it makes you look even more egotistical than the people you want to call out.
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#10
JAB Creations
Vya Domus
...I feel no obligation of sorts to praise everything a company does just because of the work their engineers do.

...Don't be this pompous, it makes you look even more egotistical than the people you want to call out.
Who suggested you're required to praise anything?

Furthermore if people in society aren't held to higher standards then the actual pompous behavior will not be seen as unacceptable and only continues. Your suggestion that I'm pompous by holding others to a standard, like any standard here is akin to a teacher's aid siding with children who refuse to wash their hands after using the bathroom.
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#11
Steevo
JAB Creations
"This doesn't impress my 12 year old immature egotistical brain."

I'm a developer, a type of engineer. I can appreciate that this kind of work requires a lot of engineering to go right to get a tenth of the way to producing something even worth listening about. While I don't like Intel because of their cronyism I still enjoy the prospect of eventually seeing more competition (at least as far as GPUs are concerned though a third or even fourth AMD/Intel level x86 competitor would be nice). So just in case there are some engineers out there reading the comments please know that not all of us hardware enthusiasts think multi-billion dollar corporations exists to please a 12 year old immature undeveloped egotistical punks.
Seek help if this is your world view.
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#12
Darmok N Jalad
I’m surprised the clocks on Intel GPUs haven’t changed much since Sandy Bridge. They all seem to top out around 1GHz. I’m curious how much more these would perform if they clocked at 1500.
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#13
Crackong
I have a notebook running on a 1065G7
And its iGPU is exactly 50% of score of my 2400G vega 11 in 3D mark TimeSpy.

If that's how 64 EUs performed,
96 EUs will be like 75% of Vega 11.
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#14
TheGuruStud
Stop, there's only so much bile in my stomach.
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#15
londiste
Crackong
I have a notebook running on a 1065G7
And its iGPU is exactly 50% of score of my 2400G vega 11 in 3D mark TimeSpy.

If that's how 64 EUs performed,
96 EUs will be like 75% of Vega 11.
2400G can use 20-30W (more if tweaked) of its 65W allowance on iGPU.
1065G7 has 25W total at best (often the default 15W) to play with.
Best AMD mobile APUs have Vega10.
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#16
ZoneDymo
Steevo
Seek help if this is your world view.
^ this, the frustrations are through the roof.
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#17
Crackong
londiste
2400G can use 20-30W (more if tweaked) of its 65W allowance on iGPU.
1065G7 has 25W total at best (often the default 15W) to play with.
Best AMD mobile APUs have Vega10.
My 1065G7 has these two settings: PL1 19W , PL2 46W
25W ? That's laughable .




And I didn't even mention the insane temps on this CPU
The pic above is just installing a windows update, it bumps up to peak 80 degree C and throttle .
also this 1065g7 is a $400 CPU
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#18
Valantar
Crackong
My 1065G7 has these two settings: PL1 19W , PL2 46W
25W ? That's laughable .




And I didn't even mention the insane temps on this CPU
The pic above is just installing a windows update, it bumps up to peak 80 degree C and throttle .
also this 1065g7 is a $400 CPU
What laptop is that? 50% of a 2400G at 19W (assuming 3DMark lasts longer than the PL2 time) isn't terrible, but it isn't very good either. Have to say I'm looking forward to AMD's next APUs even if the persistent rumors of still using Vega turn out to be true. 7nm Vega (16-20CUs) + DDR4-3600? Yes please.
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#19
Crackong
Valantar
What laptop is that? 50% of a 2400G at 19W (assuming 3DMark lasts longer than the PL2 time) isn't terrible, but it isn't very good either. Have to say I'm looking forward to AMD's next APUs even if the persistent rumors of still using Vega turn out to be true. 7nm Vega (16-20CUs) + DDR4-3600? Yes please.
It is a HP business laptop , not for gaming.
In fact there is a mx250 in there which do exactly the same performance as vega 11.

The Intel iGPU have been improved, but does not meet the Intel PPT hype.
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#20
londiste
Crackong
My 1065G7 has these two settings: PL1 19W , PL2 46W
PL2 is temporary boost. In a laptop that always has a reasonable length set, probably stock 8 seconds. After that, CPU is limited to PL1. Basically, TDP is set by the manufacturer to 19W.
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#21
Patriot
Crackong
It is a HP business laptop , not for gaming.
In fact there is a mx250 in there which do exactly the same performance as vega 11.

The Intel iGPU have been improved, but does not meet the Intel PPT hype.
Business laptops are not typically housing a MX250... are you sure it's not just an envy or spectre?
Don't see a single HP busi laptop running 10th gen chips either.
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#22
Crackong
Patriot
Business laptops are not typically housing a MX250... are you sure it's not just an envy or spectre?
Don't see a single HP busi laptop running 10th gen chips either.



And 3DMark didn't recognize this machine either and gave me the Mystery Machine achievement :)

Sry it is Sunday and I am not going back to the office to check its model name.:roll:
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#23
silentbogo
Patriot
Business laptops are not typically housing a MX250... are you sure it's not just an envy or spectre?
Crackong
And 3DMark didn't recognize this machine either and gave me the Mystery Machine achievement :)
I think you have a new HP Pavilion 15T. It's not technically a "business" laptop, since pavilions are usually considered a premium consumer product, but it's basically a ProBook in a slightly different shell.
That's the only one I know of that has MX250 onboard, along with 10th gen Core CPU (though I thought those haven't been released yet). Same probably applies to upcoming Probook 600-series G6 (or G7? since they've skipped 9th gen core for it).
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#24
DeathtoGnomes
so is this iGPU the reason Intel recruited all the AMD folk? hmmmmm.
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#25
voltage
This will be inside Tiger lake CPU I believe. I would like a desk top Tiger Lake, and a laptop version. But When will they release these?
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