Tuesday, October 1st 2019

Intel 10th Gen Core X "Cascade Lake" HEDT Processors Launch on October 7

October 7 promises to be an action-packed day, with not just AMD's launch of its Radeon RX 5500 series graphics card, but also Intel's 10th generation Core X "Cascade Lake" HEDT processors in the LGA2066 package. With AMD having achieved near-parity with Intel on IPC, the focus with the 10th generation Core X will be on price-performance, delivering double the number of cores to the Dollar compared to the previous generation. Intel will nearly halve the "Dollars per core" metric of these processors down to roughly $57 per core compared to $103 per core of the 9th generation Core X. This means the 10-core/20-thread model that the series starts with, will be priced under $600.

The first wave of these processors will include the 10-core/20-thread Core i9-10900XE, followed by the 12-core/24-thread i9-10920XE around the $700-mark, the 14-core/28-thread i9-10940XE around the $800-mark, and the range-topping 18-core/28-thread i9-10960XE at $999, nearly half that of the previous-generation i9-9980XE. There is a curious lack of a 16-core model. These chips feature a 44-lane PCI-Express gen 3.0 root complex, a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface supporting up to 256 GB of DDR4-2933 memory (native speed), and compatibility with existing socket LGA2066 motherboards with a BIOS update. The chips also feature an updated AES-512 ISA, the new DLBoost instruction set with a fixed-function hardware that accelerates neural net training by 5 times, and an updated Turbo Boost Max algorithm. Intel will extensively market these chips to creators and PC enthusiasts. October 7 will see a paper-launch, followed by November market-availability.
Source: VideoCardz
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35 Comments on Intel 10th Gen Core X "Cascade Lake" HEDT Processors Launch on October 7

#1
xkm1948
Competition is a wonderful thing for sure! Bring on the price war!
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#2
UltraThicc
I don't know why Intel keep bragging about their "relative performance per dollar" without showing real numbers.
If a cpu can't complete a task efficiently then it is useless no matter how cheap it is.
By this logic, the "relative performance per dollar" of Xeon 3040 will be infinite because it is worthless (price-wise) but still gets the job done (eventually).
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#3
xkm1948
Intel still has avx512 advantage which is a huge bonus for us in scientific research. For example, multiple sequence alignment for dna or protein sequences take full advantage of avx512.
https://academic.oup.com/bioinformatics/article-abstract/34/20/3437/4992147?redirectedFrom=fulltext

With that said, AMD’s zen2 higher core count, better IPC and lower deploy cost per core still remain supreme. Really looking forward to what TR3 brings to the table.
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#4
AsRock
TPU addict
Just watched the Gamers Nexus video about this. kinda seems sketchy to me. Slide seems kinda interesting (17:57).

Either way screw intel they will have to try harder to get my coin.

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#5
btarunr
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xkm1948, post: 4125796, member: 50521"
Intel still has avx512 advantage which is a huge bonus for us in scientific research. For example, multiple sequence alignment for dna or protein sequences take full advantage of avx512.
https://academic.oup.com/bioinformatics/article-abstract/34/20/3437/4992147?redirectedFrom=fulltext

With that said, AMD’s zen2 higher core count, better IPC and lower deploy cost per core still remain supreme. Really looking forward to what TR3 brings to the table.
Yup, Intel's two areas of strength are AVX-512 and DLBoost. The latter can't be ignored. 5x DNN training acceleration will help the AI crowd big time.

AMD Threadripper 3 on the other hand will slaughter these chips at video and other creativity suites that scale with brute CPU power. Threadripper 3 debuts with a 24-core model, probably with a three-figure price, AMD isn't bothering with lower core counts as Ryzen 9 AM4 is already on 16-core.

So all the science guys should pick up Cascade Lake, all the other creators/media guys should pick up Threadripper 3. I have a hunch that there's a bigger market for Threadripper 3 than Core X CascadeLake.
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#6
Tomgang
btarunr, post: 4125812, member: 43587"
Yup, Intel's two areas of strength are AVX-512 and DLBoost. The latter can't be ignored. 5x DNN training acceleration will help the AI crowd big time.

AMD Threadripper 3 on the other hand will slaughter these chips at video and other creativity suites that scale with brute CPU power. Threadripper 3 debuts with a 24-core model, probably with a three-figure price, AMD isn't bothering with lower core counts as Ryzen 9 AM4 is already on 16-core.

So all the science guys should pick up Cascade Lake, all the other creators/media guys should pick up Threadripper 3. I have a hunch that there's a bigger market for Threadripper 3 than Core X CascadeLake.
To that I will so ad that gamers/streamers takes ryzen 9 3950X.

But yeah, even throw Intel now dropped prices down. I am still more into 3950X with pcie Gen 4 and better efficiency + still a bit lower priced.
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btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Tomgang, post: 4125818, member: 154607"
To that I will so ad that gamers/streamers takes ryzen 9 3950X.

But yeah, even throw Intel now dropped prices down. I am still more into 3950X with pcie Gen 4 and better efficiency + still a bit lower priced.
Gamers (including streamers) should be fine with an i9-9900K/KS. That's plenty of muscle.

Ryzen 9 is basically for people who want HEDT-like performance on a tight budget. They're decent at video mastering.
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#8
Ripper3
xkm1948, post: 4125780, member: 50521"
Competition is a wonderful thing for sure! Bring on the price war!
Indeed! Doesn't matter if you're a fanboy or not, this is the mark of competition, and Intel is aiming to win. AMD has, once again, come from way far back in the performance race, and lit a fire under Intel's bum crack.
No matter which side you're on, or prefer, this will make it more affordable to access high performance CPUs for everyone.

Think my biggest surprise is that Intel isn't going to force adoption of another new platform for this release, and just how drastically they've lowered the prices.
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#9
Crackong
All of the sudden Intel is price competitive now

AMD YES!
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#10
Tomgang
btarunr, post: 4125830, member: 43587"
Gamers (including streamers) should be fine with an i9-9900K/KS. That's plenty of muscle.

Ryzen 9 is basically for people who want HEDT-like performance on a tight budget. They're decent at video mastering.
According to YouTube videos I have seen. Ryzen 8 does better Job when streaming as well. Given the more cores. I wount chose i9 9900K for game and streaming. Only for pure gaming.

Nut matter what. Consumer are the winner now as we now have existing CPU's from amd and Intel with out have to pay 4 ciffer prices. 2019 looks to be a great year for cpu upgrades. Better than the last decade at least.

The problem just is. Choises choises, so much to chose, so little time to deside.
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#11
gmn 17
Any new motherboards for this release?
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#12
Vya Domus
btarunr, post: 4125812, member: 43587"
5x DNN training acceleration will help the AI crowd big time.
Why would anyone use it though when every single ML framework has a GPU accelerated back-end. This is an advantage in a non existent fight.
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#13
Metroid
firefighters will likely be called upon lot more frequent after this launch hehe
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#14
Imsochobo
btarunr, post: 4125830, member: 43587"
Gamers (including streamers) should be fine with an i9-9900K/KS. That's plenty of muscle.

Ryzen 9 is basically for people who want HEDT-like performance on a tight budget. They're decent at video mastering.
3900x is equal to the cascade lake 16 core more or less performance wise.
3900x is about equal to 9900K in games.

and decent at video mastering? it's THE BEST.
Threadripper, 9980XE.. all are beaten by 3900x, please watch epox vox's review and you understand why :)
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#15
DeathtoGnomes
seen this kind of PR before, dont buy into the "chart", wait for the real reviews.

@btarunr did the source site claim this as a press release? If, so I think you should mention that next time.
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#16
ratirt
Ripper3, post: 4125831, member: 39016"
Indeed! Doesn't matter if you're a fanboy or not, this is the mark of competition, and Intel is aiming to win. AMD has, once again, come from way far back in the performance race, and lit a fire under Intel's bum crack.
No matter which side you're on, or prefer, this will make it more affordable to access high performance CPUs for everyone.

Think my biggest surprise is that Intel isn't going to force adoption of another new platform for this release, and just how drastically they've lowered the prices.
I thought the new platform is a must for the cascade lake. Maybe I've missed something.
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#17
xkm1948
Also 3950x only has dual channel. I win’t be surprised if AMD price their entry level 24core at same price of 10980xe. Quad channel memory is really useful for HEDT
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#18
Ripper3
ratirt, post: 4125929, member: 165024"
I thought the new platform is a must for the cascade lake. Maybe I've missed something.
Doubted myself when you said that, but reread it to be sure, and yup, it's there: "...and compatibility with existing socket LGA2066 motherboards with a BIOS update."
Maybe it's Cascade Lake for standard desktops requiring a new platform, but CL-X that keeps compatibility.
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#19
Arc1t3ct
xkm1948, post: 4125780, member: 50521"
Competition is a wonderful thing for sure! Bring on the price war!
THIS
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#20
kapone32
Well indeed this bodes well for consumers. Now every owner of X299 can upgrade their chips without needing to get a new board. Expect to see current Intel HEDT chips fall in price in the coming weeks. Intel will make money selling these chips as X299 boards are in some ways cheaper than Threadripper boards as well. In terms of performance the way that Intel has marketed this I do not expect a huge increase in clock speed or IPC. It will still be interesting to see how the new Threadripper chips stack up against these new CPUs but they will not be comparable as AMD`s lowest new core count will be 24 vs 18. These prices should also put pressure on the 2nd Gen TR4 chips even more so than the 3900x did when it launched. I expect a 2920X to be had for under $450 Canadian in the coming weeks.
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#21
ratirt
Ripper3, post: 4125981, member: 39016"
Doubted myself when you said that, but reread it to be sure, and yup, it's there: "...and compatibility with existing socket LGA2066 motherboards with a BIOS update."
Maybe it's Cascade Lake for standard desktops requiring a new platform, but CL-X that keeps compatibility.
For the life of mine I was 100% sure that there are power constraints and pin-out is different in the Cascade lake. Maybe it has been changed.
Maybe all this is true but the new Bios update can fix it.
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#22
kapone32
So based on the 10 core being the same price as the 9900KS. What are the opinions of the community as to which one you would buy if you were building a nice rig right now.
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#23
xkm1948
kapone32, post: 4125997, member: 181865"
So based on the 10 core being the same price as the 9900KS. What are the opinions of the community as to which one you would buy if you were building a nice rig right now.
For gaming go with 9900KS, it has the ring bus for inter-core connection, results in better performance.

For productivity go with the new 10 core. It will have quad channel memory versus dual channel in 9900KS. It also has AVX512 which is not available in 9900KS.
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#24
kapone32
xkm1948, post: 4126004, member: 50521"
For gaming go with 9900KS, it has the ring bus for inter-core connection, results in better performance.

For productivity go with the new 10 core. It will have quad channel memory versus dual channel in 9900KS. It also has AVX512 which is not available in 9900KS.
Interesting, I thought the "Cascade Lake" CPUs were also ring bus based? I will look it up but what are the main architectural differences between the 2?
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#25
xkm1948
kapone32, post: 4126006, member: 181865"
Interesting, I thought the "Cascade Lake" CPUs were also ring bus based? I will look it up but what are the main architectural differences between the 2?
i am no CPU engineer. From what I heard ringbus is good for low latency; meshis good for scaling up core numbers.
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