Sunday, November 3rd 2019

AMD Readies Three RX 5500 Series and Two RX 5300 Series SKUs Based on "Navi 14"

A collaborative effort by several Redditors discovered that AMD could carve as many as five Radeon RX 5000-series SKUs based on its upcoming 7 nm "Navi 14" GPU. They poured through thousands of lines of code in AMD's open-source GPU driver files. Among these are two mobile GPUs, and three desktop. The "Navi 14" silicon allegedly features up to 24 RDNA compute units making up 1,536 stream processors; and possibly a 128-bit wide GDDR6 memory interface. The highest trim based on this silicon is the "Navi 14 XTX" variant, which goes by the commercial name Radeon RX 5500 XT. While it remains to be seen if it maxes out all 24 CUs present on the silicon, it certainly has the highest engine gaming clocks at 1717 MHz.

Next up is the Radeon RX 5500 ("Navi 14 XT"). This SKU is popularized in AMD's October 2019 product announcements. It is known to feature 22 compute units working out to 1,408 stream processors, and up to 8 GB of GDDR6 memory across the chip's 128-bit wide memory interface. Its gaming clocks are rated at 1670 MHz. The other popularized SKU is the Radeon RX 5500M ("Navi 14 XTM"). With the same core-config as the RX 5500, this SKU has slightly lesser clock-speeds contributing to a more aggressive power-management. Its gaming clocks are rated at 1448 MHz. It turns out that AMD is interested in carving out a whole different segment of GPUs based on "Navi 14," the Radeon RX 5300 series.
The RX 5300 series could very well be AMD's entry-level based on "Navi," possibly configured with a lower CU count, and perhaps even cheaper GDDR5 memory across its 128-bit memory bus. There are two SKUs in this lineup, the Radeon RX 5300 ("Navi 14 XL"), with a peak frequency of 1448 MHz, and its mobile sibling, the Radeon RX 5300M ("Navi 14 XLM"), with lower clock speeds of 1181 MHz. Sources: _rogame (Reddit), e-baisa (Reddit), AMD Drivers (FreeDesktop.org)
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46 Comments on AMD Readies Three RX 5500 Series and Two RX 5300 Series SKUs Based on "Navi 14"

#2
fancucker
Sadly all but invalidated by the 1650-1660 series, which represent better laptop options too. The RX 5300 will receive (more efficient competition) too.
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#3
Apocalypsee
I really REALLY hope manufacturer make small footprint out of these GPU, either single slot or compact like R9 Nano size. Many times we see big empty PCB. Just look at Sapphire RX 460 Nitro, a third of its PCB just for lousy Nitro logo and some LED.

They could make it like this


Instead they make it like this:
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#4
rruff
Invalidated? Are the 5700 and 5700XT invalidated as well?

I expect these new cards to be truly competitive; price, performance, power consumption. That's will be a big improvement over the last generation.
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#5
fancucker
rruff
Invalidated? Are the 5700 and 5700XT invalidated as well?

I expect these new cards to be truly competitive; price, performance, power consumption. That's will be a big improvement over the last generation.
Yeah. The 2060S/2070/2070S represent vastly more compelling options, have additional tech and are even more stable in their drivers.

As to these, they're late, on a newer denser process and are already having their prices limited due to poor competition. Plus if the 5700/5700XT are any indication their thermals won't be brilliant either

What's even sadder is that Nvidia will absolutely obliterate them when they move over to 7nm+ via Ampere. No wonder AMD is accelerating 5nm. They couldn't design an efficient uarch for their lives.
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#6
Darmok N Jalad
Apocalypsee
I really REALLY hope manufacturer make small footprint out of these GPU, either single slot or compact like R9 Nano size. Many times we see big empty PCB. Just look at Sapphire RX 460 Nitro, a third of its PCB just for lousy Nitro logo and some LED.

They could make it like this


Instead they make it like this:

Yeah, the 460/560 doesn't need dual fans. I had a single fan version of the 560 that never broke a sweat.
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#7
dicktracy
Divide Overflow
Where's big Navi?
It'll be too little too late against midrange Ampere XD
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#8
r.h.p
Apocalypsee
I really REALLY hope manufacturer make small footprint out of these GPU, either single slot or compact like R9 Nano size. Many times we see big empty PCB. Just look at Sapphire RX 460 Nitro, a third of its PCB just for lousy Nitro logo and some LED.

They could make it like this


Instead they make it like this:

totally agree :rockout:
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#9
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Divide Overflow
Where's big Navi?
I'm not expecting big Navi before CES.

Also, I expect big Navi (Navi 12) to be a TU104-competitor rather than TU102. So we can expect the possible RX 5800 and RX 5800 XT to compete with RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2080 Super, respectively. I don't think there will be a 2080 Ti-rival.
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#10
ShurikN
fancucker
Sadly all but invalidated by the 1650-1660 series, which represent better laptop options too. The RX 5300 will receive (more efficient competition) too.
Hahaha "invalidated"
1650 couldnt even beat a 570 while costing more. Stop posting bullshit on every amd article..
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#11
Lionheart
Hope these can be the new RX 570/580 replacements with competitive pricing. Also Fanfucker, stop your BS.
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#12
DeathtoGnomes
Lionheart
Hope these can be the new RX 570/580 replacements with competitive pricing. Also Fanfucker, stop your BS.
We are not supposed to call out fanboism or accuse them of being paid schills, so lets be polite and either ignore them or show them proof of their ignorance without pointing fingers. Having said that, I will say I AM glad that AMD is trying to keep up with the mid- low- card market.
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#13
T1beriu
btarunr, you have not learned a thing after GN fiasco! You're still spreading speculation as fact!
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#14
Alduin
Apocalypsee
I really REALLY hope manufacturer make small footprint out of these GPU, either single slot or compact like R9 Nano size. Many times we see big empty PCB. Just look at Sapphire RX 460 Nitro, a third of its PCB just for lousy Nitro logo and some LED.

They could make it like this


Instead they make it like this:

Another thing to consider
Nano was hbm based while rx series are using gddr
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#15
PerfectWave
who wants a small gpu card on their pc? XD
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#17
DeathtoGnomes
T1beriu
btarunr, you have not learned a thing after GN fiasco! You're still spreading speculation as fact!
elaborate. what now?
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#18
Tegos
T1beriu
btarunr, you have not learned a thing after GN fiasco! You're still spreading speculation as fact!
Local man doesn't know how tech news work.
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#19
rruff
DeathtoGnomes
I AM glad that AMD is trying to keep up with the mid- low- card market.
IMO this latest generation is competitive enough to warrant serious consideration, and I haven't held that opinion for many years. And by that I mean that AMD's cards are good for gaming (not just mining) without the need for a hefty discount, or undervolting or down clocking to get decent power consumption.
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#20
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
ShurikN
Hahaha "invalidated"
1650 couldnt even beat a 570 while costing more. Stop posting bullshit on every amd article..
Report him for being off topic/trolling/flamebaiting

Apocalypsee
I really REALLY hope manufacturer make small footprint out of these GPU, either single slot or compact like R9 Nano size. Many times we see big empty PCB. Just look at Sapphire RX 460 Nitro, a third of its PCB just for lousy Nitro logo and some LED.

They could make it like this


Instead they make it like this:

The pcb provides additional thermal dissipation
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#21
Apocalypsee
eidairaman1
The pcb provides additional thermal dissipation
If there is a ground plane or copper trace from the heat source. This is a low end cards, it shouldn't dissipate much heat in the first place.
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#22
bug
btarunr
I'm not expecting big Navi before CES.

Also, I expect big Navi (Navi 12) to be a TU104-competitor rather than TU102. So we can expect the possible RX 5800 and RX 5800 XT to compete with RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2080 Super, respectively. I don't think there will be a 2080 Ti-rival.
Tbh, 2080Ti doesn't need a rival. It needs to be ignored (imho).
What we need (again, imho) is the fastest cards in a generation, save for Titans and such, to come back in the up to $500 price range.
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#23
Juankato1987
I guess that next High End GPU should be RX 5900, 'cause they're keeping 5300,5500,5700 naming like in their procesors. R3, R5, R7 and R9



btarunr
I'm not expecting big Navi before CES.

Also, I expect big Navi (Navi 12) to be a TU104-competitor rather than TU102. So we can expect the possible RX 5800 and RX 5800 XT to compete with RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2080 Super, respectively. I don't think there will be a 2080 Ti-rival.
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#24
Chrispy_
I'm placing bets on the 5300 variants being 1280SP (20CU) models with GDDR5

That should be enough to replace 3-year-old 470/480 or 1060 cards at half the power draw and half the price, which will appeal to people on a budget and people looking for a quieter/more compact PC.

Based on my experience of Navi undervolting, AMD can probably produce something exceptionally low-power at just 1181 MHz. I've seen reported power figures down at 55W (so total board power <65W) from a 5700XT when the GPU load is low enough that it can afford to clock down to sub 1200MHz speeds. That's 750mv and those power numbers are for faster GDDR6 and a much larger piece of silicon so hoefully the RX 5300M will be something with a 35W TDP that can finally bring decent performance into a 13-14" ultrabook. For too long those things have been stuck on APUs or MX150 - both of which can be classed as 'barely adequate'.
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#25
medi01
Divide Overflow
Where's big Navi?
Makes no sense to develop big Navi on DUV, and EUV isn't mature enough.
AMD has scarce resources and it shouldn't waste them on BS.
People into $1000+ GPUs can take a deeper breath.
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