Tuesday, January 14th 2020

RX 5950 XT, RX 5950, and RX 5800 XT: New AMD Radeon SKUs Reach Regulators

Confirmation of four new Radeon RX 5000-series SKUs came to light as AIB partner AFOX pushed them to regulators at the Eurasian Economic Commission. EEC filings have been a reliable early-sign of upcoming PC hardware. All thee new SKUs are positioned above the Radeon RX 5700 XT launched last year. These include the Radeon RX 5800 XT, the RX 5900 XT, the RX 5950, and the RX 5950 XT. Going by AMD's convention of two SKUs per resolution serving up to differentiated experiences, the RX 5800 XT could be a step up from the RX 5700 XT in offering 1440p high frame-rate AAA performance. This could possibly put it in direct competition with the GeForce RTX 2070 Super. AMD took a similar 2-pronged approach to 1080p, with the RX 5500 XT serving up 1080p at up to 60 fps, while the RX 5600 XT topping it up with a 40-50 percent performance uplift.

The Radeon RX 5950-series is completely new. This could very well be a new large "Navi" silicon, since dual-GPU is dead. Just as AMD carved out the RX 5700 XT, the RX 5700, and the RX 5600 XT, it could carve out the three new SKUs from this silicon. AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su already confirmed that her company is working to upscale the RX 5000-series "Navi" family. The RX 5900-series could be competition for the likes of the RTX 2080 or even RTX 2080 Super. The RX 5950-series could target premium 4K gaming (RTX 2080 Ti). It remains to be seen if the three new SKUs are based on the existing RDNA architecture or the new RDNA2 architecture designed for 7 nm EUV, featuring variable-rate shading.
Sources: Eurasian Economic Commission, Komachi Ensaka
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105 Comments on RX 5950 XT, RX 5950, and RX 5800 XT: New AMD Radeon SKUs Reach Regulators

#26
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Durvelle27
Time to sell my RX 5700
Dont right yet

R-T-B
I'm not an AMD fanboy. You forgot people like me who just aren't sold on raytracing and don't want to waste die space on it.
Just like igp...
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#27
Juankato1987
r9370
Must be nice living in a fantasy world :kookoo::laugh:
Ampere could bring this to real world.
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#28
theonek
so lets hope these new sku's were not so literally hot as their predecessors 5700 and have an adequate cooling solutions to theirs 3xx watts consumption....
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#29
R-T-B
eidairaman1
Just like igp...
IGPs a bit different. That dead die space can actually help OCing. But those Turing compute units don't powergate the same.
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#30
theoneandonlymrk
cucker tarlson
26.06.2019

yeah,big navi ain't happening
Course it is, as for when , thats the question, that and what's it going to be, which this rumour, doesn't clear up at all.
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#31
Durvelle27
eidairaman1
Dont right yet



Just like igp...
Of course not yet but when officially launched
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#32
Nkd
dgianstefani
If this is existing RDNA and not RDNA2 it will be dead on arrival. Assuming the navi architecture scales, 5950xt might be a 2080ti competitor without RT, or if its RDNA2 with RTRT.

The problem is, Turing is more than a year old and Ampere is soon, reportedly pushed into first half of 2020. Considering Nvidia is already performance and efficiency leader using 12nm, and with first gen RTRT taking die space and power budget, 7nm+ Nvidia will be 50%+ performance gains with slight efficiency gains as well.

Think 2080ti performance at $450 or less, using the power draw of a 2060S.

AMD needed big navi 6 months ago, if it releases it now and its just RDNA1 scaled up it's a waste of time, and the only ones who will buy it are AMD fan boys, of which, admittedly there's a lot of.
Lets hold up on those rumors. Rumor was NVidia is going to have 50% performance gain and 50% efficiency. That math does not work, best case its either or, that is how the process improvements work. If I had to guess it will be around 30% performance increase in gaming like always and may be higher in RT performance.
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#33
TheinsanegamerN
theonek
so lets hope these new sku's were not so literally hot as their predecessors 5700 and have an adequate cooling solutions to theirs 3xx watts consumption....
5700xt's cooler wasnt great, but the other issue is thermal density. The 5700xt can pack a lot of power into a tiny package. A hypothetical larger GPU would couple that higher power use with a larger die. IE a "stock" 5800xt may use 300 watts of power like an AIB 5700xt, but the 5800xt would have a significantly larger die, and that larger surface area means its easier to cool. AIB versions pulling significantly more for a useless 50 mhz boost isnt helping the situation either. If you took the AIB cooler and put it on the non power sucking 5700xt stock card, you'd have a cool running GPU, just look at the nitro+. There is 0 reason for 5700xts to pull more then 225-230 watt normalized, but AIBs are pushing 300+ watts trying to get a bit of extra boost, and that severely impacts thermals.
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#34
dicktracy
dgianstefani
If this is existing RDNA and not RDNA2 it will be dead on arrival. Assuming the navi architecture scales, 5950xt might be a 2080ti competitor without RT, or if its RDNA2 with RTRT.

The problem is, Turing is more than a year old and Ampere is soon, reportedly pushed into first half of 2020. Considering Nvidia is already performance and efficiency leader using 12nm, and with first gen RTRT taking die space and power budget, 7nm+ Nvidia will be 50%+ performance gains with slight efficiency gains as well.

Think 2080ti performance at $450 or less, using the power draw of a 2060S.

AMD needed big navi 6 months ago, if it releases it now and its just RDNA1 scaled up it's a waste of time, and the only ones who will buy it are AMD fan boys, of which, admittedly there's a lot of.
Having a 2080 ti competitor this month or the next is "too little too late" when Ampere is right around the corner lol. It wouldn't make sense to release an expensive chip just to compete against a midrange Ampere aka RTX 3060 or 3070.
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#35
Chloe Price
5500, 5600, 5700, 5800, 5900, 5950.. Why this reminds me so much of GeForce FX lineup, only 5200 is missing? :P
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#36
TheinsanegamerN
dicktracy
Having a 2080 ti competitor this month or the next is "too little too late" when Ampere is right around the corner lol. It wouldn't make sense to release an expensive chip just to compete against a midrange Ampere aka RTX 3060 or 3070.
It's unfortunate but also true. They would have to cut costs so quick margins would be non existent.

Lisa is good at making AMD profitable, unfortunatly for us that means no more 290x or fury X chips until RTG gets the arch straightened out, and that may take years yet.
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#37
theoneandonlymrk
Chloe Price
5500, 5600, 5700, 5800, 5900, 5950.. Why this reminds me so much of GeForce FX lineup, only 5200 is missing? :P
Nah fx5200, 5400, 5600 plus Le or ultra or something, no 5800-5900.
Stirs memories of 5870 to me ,which, unlike the Nvidia fx's was a great card.
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#38
AnarchoPrimitiv
TheinsanegamerN
This doesnt mean anything. Sapphire had the RX 490 name registered and it never materialized. If these cards were ready for imminent launch Lisa would have hyped them up at CES instead of rolling on the weaksauce 5600xt.
Maybe AMD said nothing about these at CES because they're tired of announcing new cards just so Nvidia can had 10 more Cuda cores to an already released card and slap a "super" bumper sticker on it

dicktracy
Having a 2080 ti competitor this month or the next is "too little too late" when Ampere is right around the corner lol. It wouldn't make sense to release an expensive chip just to compete against a midrange Ampere aka RTX 3060 or 3070.
Everyone says "it's too late" which is totally wrong.... Generational "mismatch" is all in your heads and doesn't really matter, all that matters is the performance as it relates to the price.
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#39
Chloe Price
It's been ages when they released their lineup about the same time, so it's usually always the "mismatch". In recent years it's rather that AMD gets to about the same level of performance and then Nvidia releases a new generation and it's in the lead again.
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#40
GhostRyder
Well I would not count my chickens until they hatch, its weird we didn't hear anything about these till now. Its probably going to be lucky if any are close to the performance of a 2080ti. Even if one does hit or exceed it, with how long its taken NVidia will likely start pushing the RTX 3XXX series out the door at some point (Or an RTX 2080 ti super or similar). I would love to have some high end competition again and would be more than willing to pick one up from AMD to replace my Titan X Pascal, however its going to have to highly impress me to warrant dropping the money on them.
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#41
Dave65
r9370
Must be nice living in a fantasy world :kookoo::laugh:
Would break your heart ahh?
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#42
EarthDog
GhostRyder
its weird we didn't hear anything about these till now.
Well, to he fair, this isnt the first mention of this. As was noted earlier, the same thing from sapphire was initially reported by another website in August (but filed in june).
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#44
GhostRyder
EarthDog
Well, to he fair, this isnt the first mention of this. As was noted earlier, the same thing from sapphire was initially reported by another website in August (but filed in june).
I meant weird in the sense that I feel like they would have bragged or shown us it at CES. But could also be they are keeping it secret to sneak up on Nvidia with too.
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#46
efikkan
EarthDog
Lol wtf? We know zero about it and that is there?!! Lol, wow.
I wonder what's the point of adding "preliminary" specs based on nothing but thin air?

GhostRyder
I meant weird in the sense that I feel like they would have bragged or shown us it at CES. But could also be they are keeping it secret to sneak up on Nvidia with too.
Navi 2x will face tough competition from Nvidia's next gen, so if they had it ready now, they would have released it as soon as possible.
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#47
Unregistered
If AMD added the same power saving tech found in consoles to this RDNA GPU and run it at even higher clocks, I'll be quite interested.
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#48
Totally
Color me surprised, I need to go check outside to see if pigs are flying.
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#49
theoneandonlymrk
EarthDog
Lol wtf? We know zero about it and that is there?!! Lol, wow.
It's not w1zzard keeping that database it's @T4C Fantasy i think but it's definitely interesting if that's navi21 #96ROPS oh and x2(that's dual gpu that alleged 5950Xt) I'm looking forward to hearing more anyway, even if it's rumours ,i can but dream of my next room heater these days, cold n windy here.
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#50
Minus Infinity
Unless these are released soon, why wait until the same year you are releasing Navi+ cards. Already 5700XT is competitive with 2070 Super, so 5800XT should be between 2070 Super and 2080 Super, 5900XT should be similar to 2080 Super and 5950XT should be 2080 Ti competitor. If they priced the 5800XT right, say $50 more than current 5700XT and pushed that down a bit, I’d be tempted especially if next gen cards are really only coming late in the year.

I still think their are too many variants at the high end, this segment is not price sensitive, people won’t quibble about $50 on a $500+ card. I’d just release 5800XT and 5900XT and have one sit just under 2080 super performance at $100 less, and 5900XT sit just under 2080 TI at $100-150 less and release them by next month. They need to be priced well since Ampere is due out before Navi+, so these new cards will lose appeal if too late and dear. Get them out early and keenly priced and give yourself plenty of breathing space before Ampere arrives. Still if Amepre is released by mid year I’ll go with that for sure.
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