Tuesday, January 14th 2020

RX 5950 XT, RX 5950, and RX 5800 XT: New AMD Radeon SKUs Reach Regulators

Confirmation of four new Radeon RX 5000-series SKUs came to light as AIB partner AFOX pushed them to regulators at the Eurasian Economic Commission. EEC filings have been a reliable early-sign of upcoming PC hardware. All thee new SKUs are positioned above the Radeon RX 5700 XT launched last year. These include the Radeon RX 5800 XT, the RX 5900 XT, the RX 5950, and the RX 5950 XT. Going by AMD's convention of two SKUs per resolution serving up to differentiated experiences, the RX 5800 XT could be a step up from the RX 5700 XT in offering 1440p high frame-rate AAA performance. This could possibly put it in direct competition with the GeForce RTX 2070 Super. AMD took a similar 2-pronged approach to 1080p, with the RX 5500 XT serving up 1080p at up to 60 fps, while the RX 5600 XT topping it up with a 40-50 percent performance uplift.

The Radeon RX 5950-series is completely new. This could very well be a new large "Navi" silicon, since dual-GPU is dead. Just as AMD carved out the RX 5700 XT, the RX 5700, and the RX 5600 XT, it could carve out the three new SKUs from this silicon. AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su already confirmed that her company is working to upscale the RX 5000-series "Navi" family. The RX 5900-series could be competition for the likes of the RTX 2080 or even RTX 2080 Super. The RX 5950-series could target premium 4K gaming (RTX 2080 Ti). It remains to be seen if the three new SKUs are based on the existing RDNA architecture or the new RDNA2 architecture designed for 7 nm EUV, featuring variable-rate shading.
Sources: Eurasian Economic Commission, Komachi Ensaka
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105 Comments on RX 5950 XT, RX 5950, and RX 5800 XT: New AMD Radeon SKUs Reach Regulators

#2
r9370
Wow so 5700xt at 2070 level, 5800 2070 super, 5950 2080 and 5950xt possibly at or above 2080ti... Let's hope so, now there should be competition at every level can we get back the pricing where it should be?
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#3
dgianstefani
If this is existing RDNA and not RDNA2 it will be dead on arrival. Assuming the navi architecture scales, 5950xt might be a 2080ti competitor without RT, or if its RDNA2 with RTRT.

The problem is, Turing is more than a year old and Ampere is soon, reportedly pushed into first half of 2020. Considering Nvidia is already performance and efficiency leader using 12nm, and with first gen RTRT taking die space and power budget, 7nm+ Nvidia will be 50%+ performance gains with slight efficiency gains as well.

Think 2080ti performance at $450 or less, using the power draw of a 2060S.

AMD needed big navi 6 months ago, if it releases it now and its just RDNA1 scaled up it's a waste of time, and the only ones who will buy it are AMD fan boys, of which, admittedly there's a lot of.
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#4
TheinsanegamerN
This doesnt mean anything. Sapphire had the RX 490 name registered and it never materialized. If these cards were ready for imminent launch Lisa would have hyped them up at CES instead of rolling on the weaksauce 5600xt.

dgianstefani
If this is existing RDNA and not RDNA2 it will be dead on arrival. Assuming the navi architecture scales, 5950xt might be a 2080ti competitor without RT, or if its RDNA2 with RTRT.

The problem is, Turing is more than a year old and Ampere is soon, reportedly pushed into first half of 2020. Considering Nvidia is already performance and efficiency leader using 12nm, and with first gen RTRT taking die space and power budget, 7nm+ Nvidia will be 50%+ performance gains with slight efficiency gains as well.

Think 2080ti performance at $450 or less, using the power draw of a 2060S.

AMD needed big navi 6 months ago, if it releases it now and its just RDNA1 scaled up it's a waste of time, and the only ones who will buy it are AMD fan boys, of which, admittedly there's a lot of.
I agree that ampere is going to be a problem for AMD, but if you honestly think that nvidia is going to give you 2080ti performance for $450 you are out of your gourd. Minimum $700 for 2080ti performance next gen,w ith a new $1200 halo card. It will stay that way until AMD competes will a full lineup at roughly the same time instead of 2 years later.
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#5
r9370
dgianstefani
Think 2080ti performance at $450 or less, using the power draw of a 2060S.
Must be nice living in a fantasy world :kookoo::laugh:
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#6
Mats
TheinsanegamerN
if you honestly think that nvidia is going to give you 2080ti performance for $450 you are out of your gourd.
This.

Incoming: Loads of optimistic predictions about how little every new graphics card SHOULD cost, based on gamers wallet situation, later "confirmed" by AdoredTV.
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#7
oxrufiioxo
While I hope a similar to 2080ti card comes out for $450-550 because it'll push PC gaming forward. I fully expect actual gains for each tier to be 30% for the same $$$. AMD can't compete currently on 7nm with 12nm Turing so I'm not holding my breath and even when they do compete they only price slightly cheaper.
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#8
kapone32
Finally a viable replacement for my Vega 64(s).

oxrufiioxo
While I hope a similar to 2080ti card comes out for $450-550 because it'll push PC gaming forward. I fully expect actual gains for each tier to be 30% for the same $$$. AMD can't compete currently on 7nm with 12nm Turing so I'm not holding my breath and even when they do compete they only price slightly cheaper.
So the 5700XT is slower than a 2060?
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#10
MDWiley
I certainly hope this is true and we get an alternative to Nvidia’s high-end cards at a more reasonable price. That kind of competition is what the GPU market seriously needs.
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#11
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
r9370
Wow so 5700xt at 2070 level, 5800 2070 super, 5950 2080 and 5950xt possibly at or above 2080ti... Let's hope so, now there should be competition at every level can we get back the pricing where it should be?
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Producing these cards isn't going to cheap. AMD will likely undercut NVIDIA which will make NVIDIA drop prices to match but we're not talking top end card for $600 kind of thing here. I think those days are gone.
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#12
phill
I wait and hope that it'll be what everyone wants it to be. If it can get 5% ish close or beat the 2080 Ti, for a lot less money it'll be the same as Intel and AMD... I live in hope :)
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#13
oxrufiioxo
kapone32
Finally a viable replacement for my Vega 64(s).



So the 5700XT is slower than a 2060?
The 5700 series was priced $50 higher prior to Nvidia releasing their super series and while they're ok price versus performance they're basically just priced to nvidia Turing lineup the same with the 5500.
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#14
R-T-B
dgianstefani
AMD needed big navi 6 months ago, if it releases it now and its just RDNA1 scaled up it's a waste of time, and the only ones who will buy it are AMD fan boys, of which, admittedly there's a lot of.
I'm not an AMD fanboy. You forgot people like me who just aren't sold on raytracing and don't want to waste die space on it.
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#15
DeeJay1001
Mark my words. Come back to this after release to confirm.

High end Navi will trade blows with a 2080ti and will do it for $999. Im also going to ballpark power draw at ~275w

Nvidia will release a "3080" a few months later at ~$899 that will trade blows with 2080ti and High end Navi but at a measurable performance per watt advantage.

Nvidia has such a lead that they can afford to wait for AMD and then just barely beat them. All while raking in huge profits.
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#18
kapone32
oxrufiioxo
The 5700 series was priced $50 higher prior to Nvidia releasing their super series and while they're ok price versus performance they're basically just priced to nvidia Turing lineup the same with the 5500.
Where is the information that you got from AMD stating that the 5700XT should compete with Nvidia's top cards?
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#19
EarthDog
cucker tarlson
26.06.2019

yeah,big navi ain't happening
That's when it was registered, yes. The first article I saw was in August... if there were any before that...who knows.
kapone32
Where is the information that you got from AMD stating that the 5700XT should compete with Nvidia's top cards?
Where did he say/infer that in the first place??
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#20
kapone32
EarthDog
That's when it was registered, yes. The first article I saw was in August... if there were any before that...who knows.
Where did he say/infer that in the first place??
The 5700 series was priced $50 higher prior to Nvidia releasing their super series and while they're ok price versus performance they're basically just priced to nvidia Turing lineup the same with the 5500.
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#21
cucker tarlson
it's kinda sad that best amd have now is a competitor for the tu106 die,on a newer node,1.5 year behind in feature set.

I wish they bring on 5800 and 5900 but that aint happening.

by high end Lisa Su meant mid range rdna 2 cards that will go against mid range ampere but they'll all sell at premium prices.amd are finding raising the prices can be profitable,whaddaya know.......
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#22
EarthDog
kapone32
The 5700 series was priced $50 higher prior to Nvidia releasing their super series and while they're ok price versus performance they're basically just priced to nvidia Turing lineup the same with the 5500.
LOL, you really need to quote people right... lol...so confusing when you bork it.

Read it again, that passage. He talks about price and price to performance... not performance and product placement.

cucker tarlson
I wish they bring on 5800 and 5900 but that aint happening.

by high end Lisa Su meant mid range rdna 2 cards that will go against mid range ampere but they'll all sell at premium prices.amd are finding raising the prices can be profitable,whaddaya know.......
I wish I was a clairvoyant like you.......

...only time will tell. ;)
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#23
kapone32
EarthDog
LOL, you really need to quote people right... lol...so confusing when you bork it.

Read it again, that passage. He talks about price and price to performance... not performance and product placement.

I know what you mean but to me he infers that 5700XT is a meh card because it does not compete with Nvidia's bigger cards. If I am wrong I stand corrected. :D

I wish I was a clairvoyant like you.......

...only time will tell. ;)
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#24
EarthDog
kapone32

Fucking A... borked quote again.........useless. :roll:
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#25
kapone32
EarthDog
Fucking A... borked quote again.........useless.
i Know what you mean hahahahaha
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