Friday, May 22nd 2020

AMD Readies 3rd Gen Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" Ryzen 7 3850X and 3750X Processors

AMD is planning to immediately update its product stack to counter the Intel 10th gen Core "Comet Lake-S" desktop processor family. Codenamed "Matisse Refresh," the processor will use existing IP, based on the 7 nm "Zen 2" microarchitecture, but could improve in areas such as clock-speeds. As it now stands, the Ryzen 9 3900X appears unfazed by the i9-10900K and i7-10700K at its new $410 price, however, competitiveness of the 3800X and 3700X could buckle under pressure from the i7-10700 series (K, KF, non-K, and F), as well as the Core i5-10600 series. To this effect, we're hearing rumors of a "Ryzen 7 3750X" and "Ryzen 7 3850X" seeing the light of the day soon, with an early-June announcement, and early-July market availability. References to the 3750X date back to October 2019.

Rumors of "Matisse Refresh" gained traction when WCCFTech editor Hassan Mujtaba tweeted a slide from a GIGABYTE AMD B550 motherboard series pre-launch presentation, which references GIGABYTE's own interpretation of AMD's roadmap. It lists out every CPU microarchitecture for the AM4 platform, and right next to "Matisse" is "& Refresh," confirming that "Matisse Refresh" is real. A microarchitecture "refresh" needn't even involve any physical changes to the processor design, core-counts, or architecture, and can sometimes even indicate something as simple as a second major wave of SKUs that replace existing SKUs in the market, leading to their phase-out (eg: Intel "Haswell Refresh" retaining the 4th gen Core model numbering). The slide also adds weight to the theory that desktop "Renoir," like its mobile counterpart, lacks PCIe gen 4.0. The slide also talks about AMD introducing the entry-level A520 desktop chipset in August, which will support PCIe gen 4 when paired with a capable processor.
Sources: Hassan Mujtaba (Twitter), VideoCardz, HXL aka 9550pro (Twitter)
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62 Comments on AMD Readies 3rd Gen Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" Ryzen 7 3850X and 3750X Processors

#51
SIGSEGV
What the hell, matisse refresh, gen4?
Just give me the vermeers. Why do you (AMD) even care with Intel right now, Ffs.
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#53
Unregistered
Interesting, AMD already have an IPC advantage if they push the frequencies a bit they'll take back the few FPS between them and Intel in gaming.
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#54
Makaveli
R0H1TIf this refresh doesn't bring a substantial speed bump it's just pointless IMO :shadedshu:
Honestly i'm expecting this to be just better silicon with slightly higher clocks, if AMD has them then sure go ahead and release it.

However for most people you are better off just waiting for Zen 3 in Q3-Q4 of this year if you are on a 400 or 500 series chipset.
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#56
Darmok N Jalad
I can guess what the 3850X would be—either a higher clocked 3800X or a lower clocked 3900X, but what about the 3750X? There’s not much room between the 3700X and 3800X as it is. Or is it just the 3700X with a higher TDP so it can boost longer?
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#57
midnightoil
Either simple clock bump due to improvements in yield after 10 or 11 months of producing dies, or 4+0 + 4+0 because they have some higher binned dies than needed for 3300X, but won't do higher cores of 3900X, 3950X or golden bins of TR / EPYC.

Which ever it is, they're doing it because they can and because more SKUs = better. That's the whole m.o. of their modular approach.

Intel wish they could do this.
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#58
Makaveli
kapone32Wouldn't it be crazy if these are the chips in the Xbox1 and PS5?
I doubt it since those chips have less clock speed than the normal 3700X / 3800X
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#59
Dante Uchiha
ARFDon't be fooled that AMD will do anything on N6 process then if it's inferior.
Can you develop an argument that supports this statement? 6nm is better than the 7nm DUV used in zen 2, but is inferior to the 7nm+ EUV process. Porting the current generation to 6nm would be a pretty easy upgrade to AMD, as it doesn't require the creation of new die masks (which cost many millions). Plus, When asked about the possibility of a Zen2 refresh, Mark Papermaster replied this:

"MP: I have nothing to say on any refresh on current designs, but we always look at where it makes sense and where we’re able to take opportunities to provide a bump in performance, power, or die area. " www.anandtech.com/show/15268/an-interview-with-amds-cto-mark-papermaster-theres-more-room-at-the-top
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#61
Jism
ARF3 months before the release of Ryzen 4000, it is absolutely pointless to bring salvaged parts.
Better bring Renoir with higher performance.
Nothing gets lost in the proces of creating wafers. Extract as many as possible, working chips out of it. They have a contract remember. They cant just throw the non 8 core working bits out of it. They are resold, rebadged just as Intel does with it's million CPU's.
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#62
HenrySomeone
LOL, it probably means 50 Mhz higher clocks :laugh:
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