ARFYes, it's interesting if there are, somewhere, data-centre rooms just outside cooled directly by the Earth's atmosphere. Say Norway or southern Chile, Argentina, or somewhere high in Switzerland.
All the electricity cost for ventilation will be virtually zero.

JismYou pay for "Amperage" consumption in a rack. So lets say i can hire 1U space and my limitation is 1A for my server. It would mean that my server cannot use more then 1A on 220V or so. A CPU that has a fairly high amount of cores with a reasonable TDP gets me work done in less, sort of say.

• 64 cores
• 8 channel DDR4
• 2TB Max memory
• 128 lanes PCIe 4.0

kayjay010101I actually work in a data centre in Northern Norway. The problem with this solution is that it can't be done permanently. Unless you go way, way, way north (or south, I suppose), you still have a reasonably hot summertime and the environmental cooling would therefore only work during 3/4ths of the year. So the solution is to either have downtime for 3 months (not going to happen) or go with traditional cooling (you can't swap cooling methods every year, too much work and too much downtime). For us; most of our servers use a watercooling system that feeds cold water from a local spring, which is then heated up by the servers, and that hot water is then used to warm the air inside the buildings, and the water we use. This way we reduce costs for heating both the buildings themselves and the water we use for coffee and such. It's also essentially free cooling as water is virtually free here, there's only the initial piping and such that costs, there's no bill after that. For the rest of the servers, we use traditional high-airflow server fans, so ventilation still costs a non-zero amount.

dragontamer5788It takes lots of air-conditioning power to move heat around. The easiest way forward is to simply generate less heat.

medi01It's not about electricity bill that much.
E.g. Twitter openly stated, hey, we can cram more compute power into existing data centers with EPYC so f*ck Intel.
Imagine the costs of expanding the buildings/new construction etc.

ARFAthlon - entry
Ryzen - mainstream, mid-range
Threadripper - high-end
Threadripper Pro - professional, high-end
EPYC - server, government, serious money...

thesmokingmanI don't understand the fuss and complaints. These Pro chips filled a GAPING whole AMD has in the high end workstation space. Threadripper is HEDT, not really workstation with its 256gb ram limitation.

EarthDogFew workstations are going to use 256GB of ram... much anything above that is server (xeon/epyc) land.

BrainCruser280W TDP for the 12 and 16 core CPUs? I highly doubt that. I don't see AMD pushing higher than 140W on those two CPUs.

player-xIf you do 8K video editing on RAW video, you're running out of ram real fast with 120GB/min of data, also in scientific research you have huge data sets, my daughter is doing geographical study, and has run many times against the 512GB limit she has in her 2990WX machine.

Not gone say the majority of people are gone running in to that limit, but there are plenty that do.


These are basically dual 3600XT or 3800XT CPU's, that do 95W and 105W TDP times two, so a 190W and 210W TDP for these parts would not be unreasonable, and 300W+ with a good OC would not be strange.

EarthDogFew do... it isnt a "gaping" hole is my point.

EarthDogReally? A gaping hole?! Pretty sure their lineup covers about anything with mainstream, HEDT, and server. Few workstations are going to use 256GB of ram... much anything above that is server (xeon/epyc) land.

Workstation is HEDT. Its the line in the sand before server.

thesmokingmanYou need too stop acting like your opinion is defining. Workstations can be equipped with up to 2tb of memory. This is a gaping hole for AMD because they don't have a solution for this w/o going to low frequency Epyc parts. Take the Mac Pro for example, AMD can't touch it due to TR's extremely limited ram capability even though the cpus rofl stomp the Intel all day long.