Monday, March 15th 2021

Intel Xe HPG Graphics Card Could Compete with Big Navi & Ampere

Intel started shipping their first Xe DG1 graphics card to OEMs earlier this year which features 4 GB of LPDDR4X and 80 execution units. While these initial cards aren't high performance and only compete with entry-level products like the NVIDIA MX350 they demonstrated Intel's ability to produce a discrete GPU. We have recently received some more potential performance information about Intel's next card the DG2 from chief GPU architect, Raja Koduri. Koduri posted an image of him with the team at Intel's Folsom lab working on the Intel Iris Pro 5200 iGPU back in 2012 and noted that now 9 years later their new GPU is over 20 times faster. The Intel Iris Pro 5200 scores 1015 on Videocard Benchmarks and ~1,400 points on 3DMark Fire Strike, if we assume these scores will be 20x more we get values of ~20,300 in Videocard Benchmarks and 28,000 points in Fire Strike. While these values don't extrapolate perfectly they provide a good indication of potential performance placing the GPU in the same realm of the NVIDIA RTX 3070 and AMD RX 6800.
Source: @Rajaontheedge
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27 Comments on Intel Xe HPG Graphics Card Could Compete with Big Navi & Ampere

#1
Crackong
80EU = MX350
512EU = 6.4x MX350

MX350 @ Timespy ~1340 points
6.4x MX350 ~8600 points
RTX 3080 / 6800XT @ Timespy ~ 16500 points

I have to assume this Xe HPG
1. Has perfect scaling with EUs
2. Will clock at least 3.0GHz (2x 1.5GHz found in a DG1 Spec)

ReAlLy iNtEl ?
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#2
Midland Dog
Crackong80EU = MX350
512EU = 6.4x MX350

MX350 @ Timespy ~1340 points
6.4x MX350 ~8600 points
RTX 3080 / 6800XT @ Timespy ~ 16500 points

I have to assume this Xe HPG
1. Has perfect scaling with EUs
2. Will clock at least 3.0GHz (2x 1.5GHz found in a DG1 Spec)

ReAlLy iNtEl ?
thats more realistic than you think. raja would have layed down the ground work for rdna2 and guess what it does?
scales across CUs
and hits almost 3ghz
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#3
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
Crackong80EU = MX350
512EU = 6.4x MX350

MX350 @ Timespy ~1340 points
6.4x MX350 ~8600 points
RTX 3080 / 6800XT @ Timespy ~ 16500 points

I have to assume this Xe HPG
1. Has perfect scaling with EUs
2. Will clock at least 3.0GHz (2x 1.5GHz found in a DG1 Spec)

ReAlLy iNtEl ?
So roughly RX 5600XT/2060 speeds? All they need is to price them right and have good stock and it will be a massive hit.
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#4
Anymal
A huge breath of fresh air. Perfect timing if stock would last.
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#5
Legacy-ZA
Don't suppose we know when they will release?
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#6
olymind1
FrickSo roughly RX 5600XT/2060 speeds? All they need is to price them right and have good stock and it will be a massive hit.
For 200 $/€, ppl with rx470-580, GTX1060-1650 would buy them like candies.
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#7
ZoneDymo
idk if this was worth the article/post....
olymind1For 200 $/€, ppl with rx470-580, GTX1060-1650 would buy them like candies.
as a person with an RX480, I would agree to this statement BUT, we dont know yet about stuff like freesync support which I would want to have.

EDIT: actually, not sure I would even want this simply because I dont think the jump is big enough, right now im very much into Red Dead Online and that runs on mixed settings at about 35 - 40 fps, not ideal but playable.
Looking at the 5600XT it does 40 fps on maxed settings with everything else being equal, that....is not enough of an upgrade for my taste.

RTX3060TI / RX6700XT is more what im looking for, maxed settings (ish, AA excluded) those pull 60 average.
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#8
sepheronx
IF the price is right, and performance is good (about the 2060 super area of performance) then I can use these for customer builds. 1080p gaming would be fine.

I am just curious about other functions. I assume it is DX12U at least, compatible, right? So hopefully it will work with concept like DirectML.
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#9
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
olymind1For 200 $/€, ppl with rx470-580, GTX1060-1650 would buy them like candies.
Even at €300 it would be good if they can keep up supply.
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#10
Unregistered
Please just bring back $250 or less cards. We need them to exist again.
#11
AusWolf
A third competitor would benefit the market, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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#12
lZKoce
olymind1For 200 $/€, ppl with rx470-580, GTX1060-1650 would buy them like candies.
You have no idea how much this hurts. I have RX580 4GB and yesterday checked how does the situation look like locally. I couldn't believe my eyes. Majour retailers here, don't even list more than fifteen GPUs. It's not just about stock, it's non existent first place. Second hand market is so wrecked. I could probably sell my card at a profit. Even 7970 Ghz editions look good these days (price-wise). I didn't even realize how bad it is. I lost hope for any kind of upgrade, I am just gonna cling to my 580 until I don't know how long.
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#13
Midland Dog
lZKoceYou have no idea how much this hurts. I have RX580 4GB and yesterday checked how does the situation look like locally. I couldn't believe my eyes. Majour retailers here, don't even list more than fifteen GPUs. It's not just about stock, it's non existent first place. Second hand market is so wrecked. I could probably sell my card at a profit. Even 7970 Ghz editions look good these days (price-wise). I didn't even realize how bad it is. I lost hope for any kind of upgrade, I am just gonna cling to my 580 until I don't know how long.
same here, wanted a 3080 and not going to settle for paying titan v price for it
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#14
AusWolf
lZKoceYou have no idea how much this hurts. I have RX580 4GB and yesterday checked how does the situation look like locally. I couldn't believe my eyes. Majour retailers here, don't even list more than fifteen GPUs. It's not just about stock, it's non existent first place. Second hand market is so wrecked. I could probably sell my card at a profit. Even 7970 Ghz editions look good these days (price-wise). I didn't even realize how bad it is. I lost hope for any kind of upgrade, I am just gonna cling to my 580 until I don't know how long.
Same here with a 5700 XT that I managed to pinch at the last minute before selling out in november. I was planning on waiting for a 6700 XT with my 1050 Ti, but looking at the market, I decided to settle for the 5700 XT instead. Maybe I'll upgrade to a 7700 XT when it comes out. Maybe...
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#15
Selaya
Is this what Intel be doing with all their 14nm once their desktop CPUs move to 10?
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#16
TheinsanegamerN
Midland Dogthats more realistic than you think. raja would have layed down the ground work for rdna2 and guess what it does?
scales across CUs
and hits almost 3ghz
You mean the same Raja that greenlit Vega? Why would you assume that Raja had much to do with rDNA2, an arch thatcame out 3 years after his departure? There's a LOT of back end work that had to go into rDNA2 without him being around, and it sure is interesting that all these advancements only occured after he left. Wonder why he never bothered doing this while he was actually AT AMD?
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#17
Steevo
More smoke and mirrors based on numbers extrapolated from numbers extrapolated from a product that doesn't reach the same Ghz speed with an unknown TDP.

Sounds like the spin machine is almost at full speed.
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#18
Chrispy_
There's a lot of negativity here, but at the same time, Intel have delivered and are approximately meeting the claims they made a year ago.
  • DG1 is no speed demon but it does the job it was designed to do in the price/power envolope that was promised.
  • Xe graphics on laptops are good enough that they match or beat current APU graphics from AMD.
  • Intel's graphics drivers are still inferior to Nvidia and AMD but they've come a long way in the last few years and even with a few graphics issues I've not seen any really show-stopping issues yet.
  • Intel's manufacturing may have problems but at least they have exclusve access to their fabs, unlike the backlogs for TSMC's 7nm causing supply issues.
I'm no fan of Intel, but at this point a third player in the market cannot fail to be a good thing for everyone.
olymind1For 200 $/€, ppl with rx470-580, GTX1060-1650 would buy them like candies.
I doubt they'll be $200.
Intel is not a charity; If their product can compete with a $400 offering from AMD/Nvidia, they're going to sell it for as close to that price as they can get away with because their goal is just profit above all else.

The best we can hope for is Intel underprices enough to make these things attractive and steals marketshare from AMD and nvidia which will prompt a return to undercutting each other on price. At the moment it's simply a demand > supply and Intel just needs to get products out there on the market in volume. Whatever they make is sure to sell.
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#19
mechtech
hmmmm

If Intel builds these on their own fabs, albeit 14nm ++++ they should be able to supply way more than TMSC (AMD&Nvidia) even if it does use more power, whatever.

Maybe it will be great for mining ;)

edit - does anyone know where Intel will fab these? I remember some old headlines that said possibly TSMC??
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#20
Chrispy_
mechtechedit - does anyone know where Intel will fab these? I remember some old headlines that said possibly TSMC??
Teardowns of the DG1 show that it's intel's 10nm fab.
Makes sense since Xe debuted on Tiger Lake which is also 10nm.

Whether that means that Intel can scale this up on 10nm or not is anyone's guess; Intel are playing their cards close their chest with how viable 10nm manufacturing is and nobody outside Intel really knows how good yields or scaling is. It's certainly better from the launch stunt of one Ice Lake i3 model with a broken IGP of 2019, but at the same time it's still broken enough that Rocket Lake wasn't viable on 10nm and Intel 7nm is currently scheduled for 2H 2023 at the earliest....

TSMC and Intel did make a deal last year, so don't rule it out.
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#21
Anymal
Intel and P/p not joinable.
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#22
cyneater
And make it avabile to miners and you have a hit on your hand
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#23
Minus Infinity
We urgently need competition, but I'm more worried about drivers and support for older games if they want to be taken seriously. Drivers aren't easy so let's see how well Intel support their product and how stability is.
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#24
TheoneandonlyMrK
Minus InfinityWe urgently need competition, but I'm more worried about drivers and support for older games if they want to be taken seriously. Drivers aren't easy so let's see how well Intel support their product and how stability is.
I think one API is where there main hopes lie there, they have had it in production a while, it's out and being improved.
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#25
Midland Dog
TheinsanegamerNYou mean the same Raja that greenlit Vega? Why would you assume that Raja had much to do with rDNA2, an arch thatcame out 3 years after his departure? There's a LOT of back end work that had to go into rDNA2 without him being around, and it sure is interesting that all these advancements only occured after he left. Wonder why he never bothered doing this while he was actually AT AMD?
because tard, u dont make a uArch in 1 year, it takes closer to 4
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