Monday, May 24th 2021

Intel LGA Socket 1700: Lower Height, New Hole Pattern Render Existing Cooling Solutions Incompatible

A few details have been let out on Intel's next socket, LGA 1700, which will be the one to accept next-gen Alder Lake CPUs. Apparently, Intel's LGA 1700 - which replaces the current LGA 1200 socket) will feature a lower height (by a full [1] millimeter, helping to further reduce socket load) as well as new mounting holes positions for cooling solutions. This would effectively render existing cooling solutions incompatible with Intel's next-gen CPUs - it will be up to your cooling solution provider to offer a new cooler bracket that's compatible with the new LGA 1700 socket. If the manufacturer doesn't, it's likely you'll have to get a newer cooling solution that actually ships with the required adapter.

It has also come to light that Intel's next-gen Alder Lake-S will eschew Intel's quadrangular design for their CPUs, and instead introduce a rectangular design that's 35.5×45.0 mm. An interesting approach that places these CPUs closer in design to Intel's HEDT platforms, but likely a necessary change due to the expected new Big-Little core design in Alder Lake-S. Current information out in the wild says that Intel will keep on offering boxed cooling solutions for < 65 W TDP CPUs, while higher-performance parts will still ship absent of it. Leaks place Intel as being working on developing a new Peltier-based cooling solution for socket LGA 1700 parts as well, after they partnered with Cooler Master for the MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero cooler.
Sources: Igor's Lab, via Videocardz
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47 Comments on Intel LGA Socket 1700: Lower Height, New Hole Pattern Render Existing Cooling Solutions Incompatible

#1
ZoneDymo
"Leave it to Intel to not just have to upgrade your motherboard with your CPU but your cooler as well, stick with AMD"
(necessary equalizing sorry)

On a more serious note, with the cpu being bigger this was to be expected, I just hope some cooler companies like Noctua can make a adapter for users.

"Leaks place Intel as being working on developing a new Peltier-based cooling solution for socket LAG 1700 parts as well, after they partnered with Cooler Master for the MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero cooler."

That....im not sure about though....
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#2
Bones
And we already know how energy-efficient peltiers are.
With recent history in mind, will these new ones be heaters as well?
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#3
RealKGB
LAG 1700 CPUs
1700 ms ping when using Alder Lake?
Oh no!
BonesAnd we already know how energy-efficient peltiers are.
With recent history in mind, will these new ones be heaters as well?
Intel: "Power draw is our passion!"
Not only can their CPUs draw 300W, but their coolers can too.
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#4
Mysteoa
With AMD rumored to by changing to LGA1718. Could they have the same mounting HW?
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#5
Caring1
Rectangular CPU's and square coolers make sense. :rolleyes:
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#6
TheLostSwede
Caring1Rectangular CPU's and square coolers make sense. :rolleyes:
I thought Intel preferred round coolers...
MysteoaWith AMD rumored to by changing to LGA1718. Could they have the same mounting HW?
We don't know the shape of AM5 as yet, so it's anyone's guess.
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#7
theGryphon
MysteoaWith AMD rumored to by changing to LGA1718. Could they have the same mounting HW?
Seriously right? Why couldn't this duopoly come together and agree on a common socket size, or at least a common hole pattern for their sockets? It's not like they'd be sharing top business secrets.
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#8
Caring1
TheLostSwedeI thought Intel preferred round coolers...
I meant the hole placement, but yes, they love useless round coolers.
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#9
TheLostSwede
theGryphonSeriously right? Why couldn't this duopoly come together and agree on a common socket size, or at least a common hole pattern for their sockets? It's not like they'd be sharing top business secrets.
Because Intel.
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#10
windwhirl
theGryphonSeriously right? Why couldn't this duopoly come together and agree on a common socket size, or at least a common hole pattern for their sockets? It's not like they'd be sharing top business secrets.
To be fair, I imagine Intel didn't go for this rectangular design just for the lulz. And I doubt either of them (AMD and Intel) want to design themselves into a corner just because they agreed to a common CPU size and shape.
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#11
Dave65
Intel is fast becoming the laughing stock of the tech industry., :roll:
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#12
KarymidoN
MysteoaWith AMD rumored to by changing to LGA1718. Could they have the same mounting HW?
some early leaks indicate that the size of the socket will stay the same just going from PGA (pins on the CPU) to LGA (pins on the motherboard, just like intel).
Also intel is changing the cooling mount b/c existing coolers can't handle how much those things gon be hot, unlike AMD who's recent releases have not been know for increasing the temps and power draw significantly.
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#13
TheLostSwede
windwhirlTo be fair, I imagine Intel didn't go for this rectangular design just for the lulz. And I doubt either of them (AMD and Intel) want to design themselves into a corner just because they agreed to a common CPU size and shape.
Why couldn't they agree on a common cooler dimension for say a five year span?
LGA-115x lasted longer than five years.
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#14
windwhirl
TheLostSwedeWhy couldn't they agree on a common cooler dimension for say a five year span?
LGA-115x lasted longer than five years.
Nothing to be gained from it, I think. Since it would benefit both sides of the market, neither AMD or Intel would get a leg up on their competition in terms of PR because of it. And why would either company impose a limit on themselves regarding how the CPU should be shaped? I mean, AMD I can sort of see them thinking it, the AM4 socket is proof they're willing to accommodate users' desire for backwards compatibility to an extent, even if it would have been more convenient to drop everything and make a new socket, but Intel just doesn't do that.
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#15
docnorth
Some manufacturers announced they will provide a compatible bracket, Noctua particularly I think for free.
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#16
Initialised
theGryphonSeriously right? Why couldn't this duopoly come together and agree on a common socket size, or at least a common hole pattern for their sockets? It's not like they'd be sharing top business secrets.
It hasn't been this way since the Socket 7 days.
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#17
windwhirl
InitialisedIt hasn't been this way since the Socket 7 days.
I'm actually kinda surprised you can re-use any cooler from all the way back to Nehalem (over a decade ago already)
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#18
TheDeeGee
Glad i'm using Noctua.

Due to the way they designed their coolers a new mounting kit is all they have to make.

And i believe all high end Noctua coolers have a 45x45mm coldplate as well, so that's not a concern either.
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#19
TheLostSwede
windwhirlNothing to be gained from it, I think. Since it would benefit both sides of the market, neither AMD or Intel would get a leg up on their competition in terms of PR because of it. And why would either company impose a limit on themselves regarding how the CPU should be shaped? I mean, AMD I can sort of see them thinking it, the AM4 socket is proof they're willing to accommodate users' desire for backwards compatibility to an extent, even if it would have been more convenient to drop everything and make a new socket, but Intel just doesn't do that.
Again, LGA-115x lasted for a decade, so I really don't see the issue here.
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#20
Chrispy_
Can someone explain this to me please:



To me, that looks like the CPU sits in a bucket-like deep recess. Won't that cause massive clearance problems for heatpipes and waterblocks?

If that's the socket keep-out-zone then it would make more sense, but that's a hella weird way to show it.
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#21
evernessince
Chrispy_Can someone explain this to me please:



To me, that looks like the CPU sits in a bucket-like deep recess. Won't that cause massive clearance problems for heatpipes and waterblocks?

If that's the socket keep-out-zone then it would make more sense, but that's a hella weird way to show it.
I have no idea what that picture illustrates. To me that looks like a bare die as you said in a recess yet the next image clearly shows your typical Intel CPU with IHS and no recess.
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#22
looniam
Chrispy_Can someone explain this to me please:



To me, that looks like the CPU sits in a bucket-like deep recess. Won't that cause massive clearance problems for heatpipes and waterblocks?

If that's the socket keep-out-zone then it would make more sense, but that's a hella weird way to show it.
i think you see on igor's article(translated ofc):
[LEFT]There is no need to discuss the sense, or rather complete nonsense, of such a cooling solution here, it is just the way it is. The de facto doubling of the combined power consumption of CPU and cooler is simply impractical and the exact opposite of efficient working. The above drawing shows the areas in question and also the recommendation for an airtight cover. The picture below shows how something like this looks in practice with the Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero.
[/LEFT]
yeah, its a bad idea . . .

(bonus image)
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#23
HTC
Dave65Intel is fast becoming the laughing stock of the tech industry., :roll:
Let me check and make sure i'm understanding this correctly:




Becoming???
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#24
asdkj1740
the latest gigabyte aorus waterforce x has already shipped with lga1700 mounting kit.
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#25
mechtech
I'm sure cooler makers will come up with an adapter. I mean noctua always comes out with new adapters for new sockets.
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