Monday, June 7th 2021

AMD Zen 4 and RDNA3 Architectures Launching Around the Same Time in 2022

AMD is expected to debut its next-generation "Zen 4" microarchitecture and RDNA3 graphics architectures around the same time, in 2022, according to internal company roadmaps seen by Broly_X1 on Twitter, who has leaked AMD roadmaps before. The "Zen 4" microarchitecture in particular sees AMD debut processors based on the 5 nm silicon fabrication process, and the company's first implementation of an EUV node. With "Zen 4" in 2022, the company could target a so-called "Zen 3+" microarchitecture launch later in 2021, which combines the "Zen 3" CCD with 64 MB of 3D Vertical Cache, a feature that enables a 15% gaming performance uplift, the company claims.

The RDNA3 graphics architecture could see a greater deal of effort toward improving real-time raytracing performance, with more fixed-function hardware dedicated to raytracing. The architecture could see an even bigger generational performance uplift than the one seen between RDNA and RDNA2, according to a PCGamesN report. Across the fence, "Zen 4" and RDNA3 will be squaring off against Intel's "Meteor Lake" and NVIDIA's "ADA Lovelace" architectures, respectively. RDNA3 finishes tape-out toward the end of 2021, as the 5 nm EUV node is already available to AMD for prototyping.
Sources: Broly_X1 (Twitter), VideoCardz
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19 Comments on AMD Zen 4 and RDNA3 Architectures Launching Around the Same Time in 2022

#1
Richards
They gotta fix rdna 2 supply first
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#2
AsRock
TPU addict
Richards
They gotta fix rdna 2 supply first
They really don't.
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#3
delshay
AsRock
They really don't.
Got to give you a like, can't stop laughing.
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#4
DemonicRyzen666
Why not just add RDNA3 to the 3d cache stacked Zen3+ chip's on the APU side?
move RDNA 4 with ZEN4 together

in my honest opinion, I really think RDNA2 should be skipped on APU's just for better raytracing from RDNA 3 on APU's and move forward.
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#5
TheLostSwede
DemonicRyzen666
Why not just add RDNA3 to the 3d cache stacked Zen3+ chip's on the APU side?
move RDNA 4 with ZEN4 together

in my honest opinion, I really think RDNA2 should be skipped on APU's just for better raytracing from RDNA 3 on APU's and move forward.
Just :roll:
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#6
ZoneDymo
Hype trains seem to be perpetualmotionmachines, they never run out of steam.
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#7
Chomiq
Sweet, we won't be able to buy both.
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#8
Easo
AsRock
They really don't.
Sorry, but I really do not follow your logic on this one.
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#9
jesdals
Richards
They gotta fix rdna 2 supply first
I would rather have RDNA 3 early than RDNA refresh/bundle
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#10
ZoneDymo
Easo
Sorry, but I really do not follow your logic on this one.
Well what does the release of this next gen have to do with the stock of current gen? it has no influence...heck if anything if they have to share ermm manufacturing space then it seems more logical to divert resources to the new products.
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#11
Legacy-ZA
Can't get excited anymore. :shadedshu:
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#12
HisDivineOrder
Is it really wise to release two new products around the same time on the same process after what happened this last time? One of the reasons AMD CPU's and GPU's are both limited is because they're sharing the same process and same orders, so AMD can't product enough of either to satisfy. Imagine if they had their eggs in two baskets instead of the same limited one.
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#13
iO
HisDivineOrder
Is it really wise to release two new products around the same time on the same process after what happened this last time? One of the reasons AMD CPU's and GPU's are both limited is because they're sharing the same process and same orders, so AMD can't product enough of either to satisfy. Imagine if they had their eggs in two baskets instead of the same limited one.
Problem were the consoles which ate up 80% of AMDs wafer allocations.
This time, it shouldn't be much different than Zen 2 and RDNA launch in 2019 which worked well enough.
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#14
AsRock
TPU addict
Easo
Sorry, but I really do not follow your logic on this one.
There selling out so they are doing as good as they can already, all so as @iO said a good percentage is going to consoles and still will be for a good while yet. Maybe console demand lowers will help some but how these consoles are being released these days proberly be a new one 22\23 HAHA.

Sure they would make more if they could actually make more but they cannot so, and once they move to another node they be making more on the older as it be cheaper for them, if that be passed on we would have to see.

End of the day they can only make so many, and before AMD agreed with TSMC they knew they be making enough money way before max output.

They need more factory's and for that cost a hell lot of money and takes a lot of time.
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#15
Minus Infinity
So sad, this announcement should be exciting, but zero f@#ks given anymore. Maybe, just maybe by early 2023 we will be able to buy RX7000 series GPU's at RRP, but I highly doubt supply chains will be repaired within 18 months
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#16
ZoneDymo
Minus Infinity
So sad, this announcement should be exciting, but zero f@#ks given anymore. Maybe, just maybe by early 2023 we will be able to buy RX7000 series GPU's at RRP, but I highly doubt supply chains will be repaired within 18 months
We will see, remember that Intel will be part of it by then as well and they have their own fabs to add to the mix
HisDivineOrder
Is it really wise to release two new products around the same time on the same process after what happened this last time? One of the reasons AMD CPU's and GPU's are both limited is because they're sharing the same process and same orders, so AMD can't product enough of either to satisfy. Imagine if they had their eggs in two baskets instead of the same limited one.
Yeah said this before as well, I would love it if AMD (and Nvidia for that matter) would make the midlevel cards on an older node so that Global Foundries could produce those.

But GF is probably also fully booked these days so maybe it would do nothing at all.
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#17
medi01
Richards
They gotta fix rdna 2 supply first
Planet gotta fix people gambling with crypto bubble first.
ZoneDymo
Hype trains seem to be perpetualmotionmachines, they never run out of steam.
This sounds as if Zen 3 and RDNA didn't trounce the competitor.
And if you think no harm was done to NV, that's due to mining demand only, look at ridiculous mem configs on Ampere lineup and think again.
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#18
TheoneandonlyMrK
Richards
They gotta fix rdna 2 supply first
Why, Nvidia just released there TI range, did they wait till everyone got they're 3080?!.

Supply is shit Obviously, but that shouldn't stump progress.

AMD's purpose is to design and sell products, so long as that's happening they can carry on developing new stuff and it's beyond Any doubt that AMD are selling all the GPU cores they make Soo your point is just your opinion.

As for splitting wafer supply amongst their requirement for different chip's, wtaf do people expect them to do, yes some firm's make one chip at a time but they're not AMD Nvidia ,Intel Or Qualcomm , bigger chip Dev houses have more mouths to feed.
AMD has it's own and others Main product lines in hand, if they just made 7700Xt's to satiate the demand they would be sued into obscurity too, unrealistic ideology.

Oh and that dude suggestion to put GPU on the cache of zen3+ ,head in hands , look at the size disparity, and how hot do GPU get?!.

Interestingly I now expect Zen 4 to be a fully 3D multi chiplet model including a small GPU on every CPU since Zen3+ will adequately test both 3D stacking and they're new no bumps implementation of that interconnect, they clearly have 2.5 D in hand though typically they do Try stuff sometimes that doesn't make mainstream for a while.
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#19
Emily
I'm making a new build around 2026, at this rate I'll have RDNA5 or 6, and I won't be able to buy those either
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