Thursday, June 24th 2021

Microsoft Account and Internet Connection Mandatory for Windows 11 Home Setup

Windows 11 Home setup will require you to have a Microsoft account and a working Internet connection handy. "Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account to complete device setup on first use," lists Microsoft as part of the operating system's requirements. In addition, all editions of Windows 11 will require Internet connection to receive updates, and a Microsoft Account for some tasks. "For all Windows 11 editions, internet access is required to perform updates and to download and take advantage of some features. A Microsoft account is required for some features," it adds. The requirement for Internet makes sense as Microsoft will be using Windows Update as the main medium of distributing Windows 11. It will be offered as a free upgrade for existing Windows 10 users.
Source: The Verge
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150 Comments on Microsoft Account and Internet Connection Mandatory for Windows 11 Home Setup

#101
pvanb
ThrashZoneHi,
Guess you have made an email account in a while
Make one and get back to us ;)
domain names can be had for 1 to 2 dollars per year, then you have your OWN email and website and also proton mail option is OK
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#102
ThrashZone
pvanbdomain names can be had for 1 to 2 dollars per year, then you have your OWN email and website and also proton mail option is OK
Hi,
Yep godaddy lol but you'll likely get tagged as a spammer :-)
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#103
pvanb
ThrashZoneHi,
Yep godaddy lol but you'll likely get tagged as a spammer :)
Ummm no... try gandi.net
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#104
ThrashZone
pvanbUmmm no... try gandi.net
Hi,
Really doesn't matter seeing neither are ms accounts lol
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#106
cyberloner
computing is not democracy at all now............. :P
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#107
dyonoctis
The red spiritBlackberry fell, because their phones were shit and they fucked up their launch of app store. Keyboard alone almost had no impact on their failure. And there were other keyboarded phones like Sony X10 Mini Pro, HTC Dream.



Making experience ass for majority to make poor experience for super tiny minority is stupid. Windows Mobile and Windows should never be same OS and should be treated so. Just like iOS wasn't Mac OS back in the day. The only reason why they merge them is to reduce development costs of the products into one product. Otherwise, no self respecting developer would ever try to pull this shit. You can't make mobile interface work well on desktop, just like you can't make desktop interface for well on mobile stuff. It's not moving forwards, it's only moving forward in terms of Microsoft finances, about which I don't care.

And btw tablet sales have been pretty much in toilet after initial iPad hype. they became niche thing just like they always were. Even fucking hybrids and 2 in 1s probably outsell them now. So they were stupid device that nobody wanted, but due to Apple clout and hype sold for a while well. Yay. Now they went to their graveyard.



It likely wasn't the reason either. I heard that half charged batteries survive longer in shipping and have lower chance of arriving faulty. Keeping lithium battery flat out empty is likely hurting their lifespan.



Pretty much since Windows 7 has been in existential crisis over what it wants to be. To please Karens or to be a proper power user OS, now that is a question.



In my country at least 70% of Windows users use cracked Windows anyway, so lol



Or Microsoft shouldn't have fired their beta testers and QA department, but as long as they save money...



They don't even try hard. 11 is just 10 with lipstick. 10 was 7 with lipstick. Vista was 7 beta. XP was just like 95. 8.1 was a real experiment and I could see its appeal, but once they angered office Karens, tablet Karens had to shut up and accept that 10 won't be so tablet oriented.



Jesus, stop scaring little kids. Microsoft and open source. Sun will sooner hit Earth than Microsoft doing that.


On serious note, Windows RT was pretty good, but it flopped, because there weren't enough quality software on Microsoft store. Now that was a proper tablet OS and it didn't anger desktop users. MS should have just sticked with that and made RT for tablets forever and Windows for office Karens and nerds forever. Xbox shit could be integrated later on both and as suggestion, not as something showed down our throats. All these excuses and rationalization about 11 are just because it's a sucky OS and it won't work all that well on tablet and on desktop. It's a poop solution to both, instead of elegant forking.
That's why I mentioned "few other brands" as well ;), but even android brands ended up giving up on the keyboard. I never said that the keyboard was a reason for failure, but that people didn't saw the keyboard as a must have feature, and now you have the gen Z who grew up with virtual keyboard and are really good with them.

Tablet sales are growing:
Worldwide Tablet Market Shares, 1Q21: After Recording Hypergrowth for Most of 2020, the Tablet Market in the New Year Continued to Ride the Wave (idc.com)
Worldwide Tablet Shipments Return to Growth in 2020, Fueled by Unprecedented Demand, according to IDC
Canalys: Surging tablet sales offset desktop PC declines in Q2 2020 | VentureBeat
and Hybrids don't outsell them, but this sudden growth also coincide with the moment that tablet stopped being bigger phones and started to have and an interface and apps of their own.

this doesn't look like a failing market to me:


I mean...:D
Microsoft Open Source | Microsoft Open Source
I remember people saying that GitHub is doomed when Microsoft bought them...the Tech world is still scarred by the Gates/Ballmer era, but I honestly feel like Microsoft has become softer. I mean a linux subsystem inside Windows?

Just to be clear, I'm merely explaining the reasoning as to why Microsoft hasn't just been selling a glorified Windows 2000 for decades, computers aren't just a nerd affair anymore, the world into which win 2000 was born and the world right now are quite different, so they had to adapt and cater to a mainstream audience...But I'm not saying that make a perfect job at it ( I still think that people are sometimes going overboard with the criticism, there's a lot of admin tools that I can't uninstall and that I have no use for, but I'm not mad about them ) The issue is that unlike macOS who's really focused on their target, windows is schizophrenic visually and functionally.

macOS was always meant to be mainstream, simple, and ready to use for most common task out of the box with their bundled software. That was always the pitch, and that was always why people bought macs. Windows background is different, it's complex, you had so much control over it that you could break it if you were careless or went too hard with the optimizer tools :D. It's the "default" OS because the computers are cheap, most programs and games are there, but windows itself isn't really "sexy". Alternative ISO, and tools always tried to make the base Windows better

Now Windows is trying to be like macOS, an OS that a mainstream user won't feel the need to enhance so much...some stuffs are good like the multi desktop, the clipboard history...but they are still oblivious to tabs in the explorer, being able to have a quick look at a file when pressing space, or colors and tags for folders, but are doing weird niche things like paint 3D, or how they don't implement video screen recording into the snapshot tool, but don't tell you that the xbox shortcut can record the whole screen, not just games, so you don't actually need OBS for that.

When people are saying that a version of windows was good, they just meant that it wasn't bugged, or offensive, and they were still installing add-ons to make the basic experience better. That's why I'm considering that the intent to add new functionalities isn't bad, but the windows team need to really focus on productivity tools first and entertainment later. Right now macOS looks like a more serious OS when it's supposed to be the funny one

I agree that they should have kept the beta testing, but people don't daily drive beta version, beta testing is good to see how people react to new things, find bugs, but it's not great to see how people use windows on a day-to-day basis for their main usages. And beta testers are still a small data set who tends to be tech savvy

Why iPod Batteries Come Fully Charged: How Your Design Wins Customers (entrepreneurship.org)

Most of the stuff that I'm saying are coming from books that I've read about UX design, and my studies in post grad digital design, we had a whole course about how gathering data is important to make a product, but there's isn't a perfect way to do it, you either got methods that generate small amounts of data, and can be dishonest, since people knows that they are being tested, so they act in a different manner, or methods that are invasive, but really effective and truthful.
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#108
R0H1T
XiGMAKiDyou have to have Microsoft Account to use Windows starting from Windows 8
Nope.
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#109
The red spirit
dyonoctisThat's why I mentioned "few other brands" as well ;), but even android brands ended up giving up on the keyboard. I never said that the keyboard was a reason for failure, but that people didn't saw the keyboard as a must have feature, and now you have the gen Z who grew up with virtual keyboard and are really good with them.
And guess who is responsible for keyboards becoming a bit poo?
dyonoctisTablet sales are growing:
Worldwide Tablet Market Shares, 1Q21: After Recording Hypergrowth for Most of 2020, the Tablet Market in the New Year Continued to Ride the Wave (idc.com)
Worldwide Tablet Shipments Return to Growth in 2020, Fueled by Unprecedented Demand, according to IDC
Canalys: Surging tablet sales offset desktop PC declines in Q2 2020 | VentureBeat
and Hybrids don't outsell them, but this sudden growth also coincide with the moment that tablet stopped being bigger phones and started to have and an interface and apps of their own.

this doesn't look like a failing market to me:
Yeah cool, but the market is dead. There aren't many other tablets other than iPad. Android tablets pretty much died. Windows tablets have always been rare. Nobody really gives a damn about tablets anymore, even if perhaps some industries use them. They are simply irrelevant.
dyonoctisI mean...:D
Microsoft Open Source | Microsoft Open Source
I remember people saying that GitHub is doomed when Microsoft bought them...the Tech world is still scarred by the Gates/Ballmer era, but I honestly feel like Microsoft has become softer. I mean a linux subsystem inside Windows?
And hardly anybody cares about linux in Windows.
dyonoctisJust to be clear, I'm merely explaining the reasoning as to why Microsoft hasn't just been selling a glorified Windows 2000 for decades, computers aren't just a nerd affair anymore, the world into which win 2000 was born and the world right now are quite different, so they had to adapt and cater to a mainstream audience...But I'm not saying that make a perfect job at it ( I still think that people are sometimes going overboard with the criticism, there's a lot of admin tools that I can't uninstall and that I have no use for, but I'm not mad about them ) The issue is that unlike macOS who's really focused on their target, windows is schizophrenic visually and functionally.
Well I disagree, world is only different is because MS said so. If they wanted, they could still sell roided Windows 2000 and be clear that if you are noob, you buy Mac and if you are serious commercial software user, then you use roided 2000. Still majority of Windows users are on desktops and laptops, they don't care about tablet stuff and if Microsoft want to compete with tablets, then they must remember that Windows will never be Android.
dyonoctismacOS was always meant to be mainstream, simple, and ready to use for most common task out of the box with their bundled software. That was always the pitch, and that was always why people bought macs.
Sorry mate, but I tried Mac OS. Simple and mainstream is exactly why you don't buy a Mac. You buy a Mac because it looks much nicer, gives you a feeling of luxury, it has a beautiful UI and you just want a nice computer that most of the time isn't used for productivity. And bundled software is barely any good, most of it is just good enough to boot up and barely do anything. And Apple sure did remove lots of useful software over time. Pretty much ever since Mac OS Mountain Lion, I can't help, but think that OS X got somewhat lame over time and right now it's the best OS for wankers and tech illiterate.
dyonoctisWindows background is different, it's complex, you had so much control over it that you could break it if you were careless or went too hard with the optimizer tools :D. It's the "default" OS because the computers are cheap, most programs and games are there, but windows itself isn't really "sexy". Alternative ISO, and tools always tried to make the base Windows better
And they never made it better, because Windows was already good.
dyonoctisNow Windows is trying to be like macOS, an OS that a mainstream user won't feel the need to enhance so much...some stuffs are good like the multi desktop, the clipboard history...but they are still oblivious to tabs in the explorer, being able to have a quick look at a file when pressing space, or colors and tags for folders, but are doing weird niche things like paint 3D, or how they don't implement video screen recording into the snapshot tool, but don't tell you that the xbox shortcut can record the whole screen, not just games, so you don't actually need OBS for that.

When people are saying that a version of windows was good, they just meant that it wasn't bugged, or offensive, and they were still installing add-ons to make the basic experience better. That's why I'm considering that the intent to add new functionalities isn't bad, but the windows team need to really focus on productivity tools first and entertainment later. Right now macOS looks like a more serious OS when it's supposed to be the funny one
And Windows 2000 as I idealized would have over time become nicer too, it's just 2000 was the least offensive, most robust and most clearly professional release that MS ever had. I don't miss Windows 2000, but I miss that same kind of robustness and professionalism. It's also the last Windows OS to be made pretty much solely for power users and it didn't try to hide certain parts of itself. It didn't feel like it was ashamed of itself. It was just bold and comfortable in its own skin.

Also, if MS wanted to make a good looking OS, they could have made 2000 into most visually stunning OS possible. Windows 11 is just a a bit naff and not really great for all. It tries to satisfy the audience that isn't here and it alienate the ones that have always been there.
dyonoctisI agree that they should have kept the beta testing, but people don't daily drive beta version, beta testing is good to see how people react to new things, find bugs, but it's not great to see how people use windows on a day-to-day basis for their main usages. And beta testers are still a small data set who tends to be tech savvy
I was writing about Microsoft not testing new released and updates properly inside and offloading that to noob that have no idea why their computer acts weird.
dyonoctisWhy iPod Batteries Come Fully Charged: How Your Design Wins Customers (entrepreneurship.org)

Most of the stuff that I'm saying are coming from books that I've read about UX design
www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-tips-for-extending-lithium-ion-battery-life/

"If a lithium-ion battery is discharged below 2.5 volts per cell, a safety circuit built into the battery opens and the battery appears to be dead. The original charger will be of no use. Only battery analyzers with the boost function have a chance of recharging the battery."

"Unlike NiCad batteries, lithium-ion batteries do not have a charge memory. That means deep-discharge cycles are not required. In fact, it's better for the battery to use partial-discharge cycles."

Sorry mate, but it looks like a technical reason why lithium batteries don't come completely discharged. Perhaps people loved that too, but the reason to switch was purely technical.
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#110
dyonoctis
The red spiritSorry mate, but I tried Mac OS. Simple and mainstream is exactly why you don't buy a Mac. You buy a Mac because it looks much nicer, gives you a feeling of luxury, it has a beautiful UI and you just want a nice computer that most of the time isn't used for productivity. And bundled software is barely any good, most of it is just good enough to boot up and barely do anything. And Apple sure did remove lots of useful software over time. Pretty much ever since Mac OS Mountain Lion, I can't help, but think that OS X got somewhat lame over time and right now it's the best OS for wankers and tech illiterate.
In the creative industry macs are used a lot, In France the majority of design, communication, motion design, print, recording, sound design studio and services are on macs. Even public establishment like university (who are known to be cheap) are buying them for their art/communication/design classroom. The communication service of Le Havre Normandy University wasn't using windows at all.

You don't like mac osx and that's okay, my sister doesn't either. But there are still industries that would use macOS over windows. MacOS settings are simpler than the cluster F that Microsoft did with the new panel settings. (I meant mainstream in the sense that macOS doesn't cater to the hardcore user, but as you said yourself the "tech illiterate". What you see as a downside, is a quality for some)
The red spiritYeah cool, but the market is dead. There aren't many other tablets other than iPad. Android tablets pretty much died. Windows tablets have always been rare. Nobody really gives a damn about tablets anymore, even if perhaps some industries use them. They are simply irrelevant.
Yup, most android tablets died because they never managed to make the bigger real estate of the tablet useful once phones started to get bigger. Samsung and Apple are the only two who did, and they are the one who are dominating the market.
The red spiritAnd hardly anybody cares about linux in Windows.

Well I disagree, world is only different is because MS said so. If they wanted, they could still sell roided Windows 2000 and be clear that if you are noob, you buy Mac and if you are serious commercial software user, then you use roided 2000. Still majority of Windows users are on desktops and laptops, they don't care about tablet stuff and if Microsoft want to compete with tablets, then they must remember that Windows will never be Android.

And Windows 2000 as I idealized would have over time become nicer too, it's just 2000 was the least offensive, most robust and most clearly professional release that MS ever had. I don't miss Windows 2000, but I miss that same kind of robustness and professionalism. It's also the last Windows OS to be made pretty much solely for power users and it didn't try to hide certain parts of itself. It didn't feel like it was ashamed of itself. It was just bold and comfortable in its own skin.

Also, if MS wanted to make a good looking OS, they could have made 2000 into most visually stunning OS possible. Windows 11 is just a a bit naff and not really great for all. It tries to satisfy the audience that isn't here and it alienate the ones that have always been there.
Well of course, the Linux subsystem, is for developers, I never said that it was a mainstream killer feature, but it's something that the old Microsoft wouldn't have done, they would have kept trying to crush any form of competition.
The world is different because tech illiterate, and Karen are required to have a computer. I don't know where you come from, but in France there's a lot of administrative tasks that are now 100% dematerialized and mandatory. But those people are also cheap, and want to spend the least amount of money on a computer... Apple doesn't do "cheap", so there's Windows. Every time that Microsoft is seeing someone who want them to adhere to the hardcore nerd ideology, what they are seeing is less money, so there's always going to be a conflict.

Although you could argue that Windows workstation and enterprise still having a tablet mode is a joke...I guess that win 10 is coded in a way where getting rid of some stuff could potentially compromise the system :confused: It's an odd decision because windows for workstation could have taken a place in the VFX industry where Linux is traditionally preferred for the cost, the customizability, and the sheer speed of the OS, but ho well. (Maya, substance painter, nuke, renderman are programs who are natively available on Linux, but windows could have enjoyed the edge of having access to the adobe suite, zbrush etc...)
The red spiritwww.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-tips-for-extending-lithium-ion-battery-life/

"If a lithium-ion battery is discharged below 2.5 volts per cell, a safety circuit built into the battery opens and the battery appears to be dead. The original charger will be of no use. Only battery analyzers with the boost function have a chance of recharging the battery."

"Unlike NiCad batteries, lithium-ion batteries do not have a charge memory. That means deep-discharge cycles are not required. In fact, it's better for the battery to use partial-discharge cycles."

Sorry mate, but it looks like a technical reason why lithium batteries don't come completely discharged. Perhaps people loved that too, but the reason to switch was purely technical.
Well, my bad, looks like Tony Fadell is a liar. The guy literally said that it was a conscious decision made for the customer, and he's being quoted in UX/product design/innovation books because of that:mad:
Guess that you can't even trust what some engineers are saying nowadays.
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The red spirit
dyonoctisIn the creative industry macs are used a lot, In France the majority of design, communication, motion design, print, recording, sound design studio and services are on macs. Even public establishment like university (who are known to be cheap) are buying them for their art/communication/design classroom. The communication service of Le Havre Normandy University wasn't using windows at all.
My university is Windows only and there is IT, arts, graphics design dept.
dyonoctisYou don't like mac osx and that's okay, my sister doesn't either. But there are still industries that would use macOS over windows. MacOS settings are simpler than the cluster F that Microsoft did with the new panel settings. (I meant mainstream in the sense that macOS doesn't cater to the hardcore user, but as you said yourself the "tech illiterate". What you see as a downside, is a quality for some)
Don't get me wrong, Mac OS was once rally beautiful and great for casual usage, but once you actually need something done it's hell. Pages was an abomination. Safari back then was one tab only browser and poorly supported HTML 5 and obviously didn't have any adblocker at all. Mac shortcuts often don't make sense and some became infamous for being retarded like a shortcut for cut. Software support is still to this day horrendous. Mac OS lacks a lot of stuff that people need. I honestly couldn't even complete my university course with Mac due to lack of professional software for it. Eh, in the end besides good looks in the past, Mac OS remains very impractical all around OS. And when I would want to have some fun, well Steam on Mac is a joke.
dyonoctisYup, most android tablets died because they never managed to make the bigger real estate of the tablet useful once phones started to get bigger. Samsung and Apple are the only two who did, and they are the one who are dominating the market.
I had original Galaxy Tab 10.1. It was OK and certainly utilized screen well. I remember Motorola Xoom was pretty good. There was Asus Transformer, a phone that could be turned into tablet. Cool concept, but it was shoddily made Asus garbage. Nexus line kinda died, but I don't miss them as they were trash. Nowadays Samsung almost doesn't have any tablets. At least in my country you could barely buy poverty spec Tab S2 a while ago. It seems like now there are several tablet, but it's clear that Android tablets are a thing of past and Apple won there. Really, if you haven't used a tablet, when they were booming, you won't understand why I'm saying this, but tablets are really not so good and practically dead concept. Almost nobody talks about them anymore.
dyonoctisWell of course, the Linux subsystem, is for developers, I never said that it was a mainstream killer feature, but it's something that the old Microsoft wouldn't have done, they would have kept trying to crush any form of competition.
I haven't really heard of it being popular in those circles.
dyonoctisThe world is different because tech illiterate, and Karen are required to have a computer. I don't know where you come from, but in France there's a lot of administrative tasks that are now 100% dematerialized and mandatory. But those people are also cheap, and want to spend the least amount of money on a computer... Apple doesn't do "cheap", so there's Windows. Every time that Microsoft is seeing someone who want them to adhere to the hardcore nerd ideology, what they are seeing is less money, so there's always going to be a conflict.
Don't get me wrong, certain things where I live are also computerized, but you can also spends months and maybe whole year here without computer. And if you are in countryside, well, you wouldn't need a computer at all. There are many villages that don't have internet and some may not even have electricity.
dyonoctisAlthough you could argue that Windows workstation and enterprise still having a tablet mode is a joke...I guess that win 10 is coded in a way where getting rid of some stuff could potentially compromise the system :confused:
It's more likely that they are primary users of tablet features. You know those rugged, fat tablet made to withstand some harsh environments? I think that some enterprises rely on that. Also there's a design, drawing industry and for them tablet is just mandatory (although they also use wacoms). If you are into anime or manga, they are often drawn with tablets. I think that most tablet usage is exactly in enterprises, meanwhile for Karen with several offsprings, there isn't nearly as much value proposition with tablet. They are better served by laptop or hybrid, so that device can be used for anything and once little Karensies grow up, same device could be taken to college to play Fortnite, do some drugs, and when not passed out, occasionally go to lectures. Tablet alone wouldn't be as rugged, versatile and overall suitable as hybrid.
dyonoctisWell, my bad, looks like Tony Fadell is a liar. The guy literally said that it was a conscious decision made for the customer, and he's being quoted in UX/product design/innovation books because of that:mad:
Guess that you can't even trust what some engineers are saying nowadays.
Maybe that was partially true. Perhaps at time it was common for devices to have NiCd batteries instead of Li-ion or Li-Po. Maybe impression creation was the reason for switch, but as far as I know, lithium batteries probably were denser and could store more power in smaller size. But who knows, Apple loves to lie a lot, so it could be typical Apple bulshit.
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#112
lexluthermiester
dyonoctisbut I honestly feel like Microsoft has become softer.
To that I offer the following as argument:

Would you like to rethink your statement? Because this seems like more of the same cut-throat bullshit to me...
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#113
dyonoctis
The red spiritMy university is Windows only and there is IT, arts, graphics design dept.



Don't get me wrong, Mac OS was once rally beautiful and great for casual usage, but once you actually need something done it's hell. Pages was an abomination. Safari back then was one tab only browser and poorly supported HTML 5 and obviously didn't have any adblocker at all. Mac shortcuts often don't make sense and some became infamous for being retarded like a shortcut for cut. Software support is still to this day horrendous. Mac OS lacks a lot of stuff that people need. I honestly couldn't even complete my university course with Mac due to lack of professional software for it. Eh, in the end besides good looks in the past, Mac OS remains very impractical all around OS. And when I would want to have some fun, well Steam on Mac is a joke.



I had original Galaxy Tab 10.1. It was OK and certainly utilized screen well. I remember Motorola Xoom was pretty good. There was Asus Transformer, a phone that could be turned into tablet. Cool concept, but it was shoddily made Asus garbage. Nexus line kinda died, but I don't miss them as they were trash. Nowadays Samsung almost doesn't have any tablets. At least in my country you could barely buy poverty spec Tab S2 a while ago. It seems like now there are several tablet, but it's clear that Android tablets are a thing of past and Apple won there. Really, if you haven't used a tablet, when they were booming, you won't understand why I'm saying this, but tablets are really not so good and practically dead concept. Almost nobody talks about them anymore.



I haven't really heard of it being popular in those circles.


Don't get me wrong, certain things where I live are also computerized, but you can also spends months and maybe whole year here without computer. And if you are in countryside, well, you wouldn't need a computer at all. There are many villages that don't have internet and some may not even have electricity.



It's more likely that they are primary users of tablet features. You know those rugged, fat tablet made to withstand some harsh environments? I think that some enterprises rely on that. Also there's a design, drawing industry and for them tablet is just mandatory (although they also use wacoms). If you are into anime or manga, they are often drawn with tablets. I think that most tablet usage is exactly in enterprises, meanwhile for Karen with several offsprings, there isn't nearly as much value proposition with tablet. They are better served by laptop or hybrid, so that device can be used for anything and once little Karensies grow up, same device could be taken to college to play Fortnite, do some drugs, and when not passed out, occasionally go to lectures. Tablet alone wouldn't be as rugged, versatile and overall suitable as hybrid.



Maybe that was partially true. Perhaps at time it was common for devices to have NiCd batteries instead of Li-ion or Li-Po. Maybe impression creation was the reason for switch, but as far as I know, lithium batteries probably were denser and could store more power in smaller size. But who knows, Apple loves to lie a lot, so it could be typical Apple bulshit.
Yhea, windows is perfectly serviceable for creative work, that might be a per country thing, but french art school/dept got a strong bias towards macs, I had a photography teacher telling us how macs are so much better...a lot of his argument where disputable, and outdated, like windows not having the codec required to see some raw files etc...

But every time that I had to use a mac for my internship I didn't have much to complain about, but most of what I do require the adobe suite and transferring images and videos (granted they were still using El Capitan, I don't think that I used the lasted versions)
I do know that macs were never popular in engineering fields due to lack of software support, but they tend to enjoy better support for design software (which also tends to become less and less true, Sketch is the only big name that I know of that made a Windows version, and there's the people who refuse to use something else beyond final cut and Logic Pro X)

Ahh fair enough, I forgot those rugged tablets, but for illustrators, there's a glaring issue, with the tablet mode : it doesn't work with multiscreen, and it's not uncommon to use a secondary screen to display references,


I have a kamvas 13, so I tried to use it, the tablet mode is manly showing a new start menu and rework multitasking a bit, IMHO it doesn't make up for the lack of multiscreen in graphic work... I have a hunch that this is exactly why they said that win11 new taskbar/start menu was made with touch device in mind, the current tablet mode feels so limited...it feels like that was the plan all along


Even the galaxy tab s7 can do it

GalaxyTab/comments/k45db4
lexluthermiesterTo that I offer the following as argument:

Would you like to rethink your statement? Because this seems like more of the same cut-throat bullshit to me...
Softer to the competition, nowadays, you're only hearing of Microsoft pushing their agenda onto their customers, instead of how Microsoft is trying to crush the opposition with questionable practice, or ruin the legacy of a once legendary company. Nokia was the last victim that I can remember...
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The red spirit
dyonoctisYhea, windows is perfectly serviceable for creative work, that might be a per country thing
I think it may partly be because Macs are obnoxiously expensive and no student could possibly afford one if they were mandatory. The reality of owning a Mac is that they are very overpriced up front and they last not very long, some specific Macs get axed very faster and only support one or two Mac OS released and then become obsolete, because they are no longer officially updated and don't support anything. It may also be because my university likes to keep stuff for a long time. Most non IT faculty computers are Phenom 8000 or 9000 series machines, some others are random Sandy bridge or Haswell i3, i5s and the oldest machine in university still in use is Pentium III machine, which is in some workshop. IT faculty has one beefy machine with Cosmos II case, Core i7 Extreme CPU (probably 8 core) and two 780 Tis in SLI with 4k monitor for various most demanding work. But other machines are just some random respectable i5 or i3 things, some are AIOs with laptop specs. IT faculty also has mini hardware museum and there is some cool stuff like Pentium Pro, Macintosh 7000 something, some old ATi cards (probably pre Mach era), bunch of old less than 1GB hard drives, some obsolete storage formats and etc.

Generally in my country perception of Macs is very poor. Most people aren't even aware of what they are, others actively hate them and think that only fools or rich people buy them and there is super tiny niche that actually buys them and then it's a Macbook, never ever an iMac or Mac mini. And even those people that have Macs some of them have a habit of stating that they do and that they are Mac people. So from this assertion we end up with rich hipsters buying Macs. Oh and most of them are also middle aged males. So middle-aged rich male hipsters, probably in mid-life crisis XD.
dyonoctisBut every time that I had to use a mac for my internship I didn't have much to complain about, but most of what I do require the adobe suite and transferring images and videos (granted they were still using El Capitan, I don't think that I used the lasted versions)
I do know that macs were never popular in engineering fields due to lack of software support, but they tend to enjoy better support for design software (which also tends to become less and less true, Sketch is the only big name that I know of that made a Windows version, and there's the people who refuse to use something else beyond final cut and Logic Pro X)
Oh well, my field is Environmental Sciences, but I end up having some courses from other fields. I already had Media Art, Photography, Media Studies. A bit ironically, most Mac that I saw were from social sciences. My specific courses were mostly theory and didn't really require computer much, so that might be why I never saw them.
dyonoctisAhh fair enough, I forgot those rugged tablets, but for illustrators, there's a glaring issue, with the tablet mode : it doesn't work with multiscreen, and it's not uncommon to use a secondary screen to display references,


I have a kamvas 13, so I tried to use it, the tablet mode is manly showing a new start menu and rework multitasking a bit, IMHO it doesn't make up for the lack of multiscreen in graphic work... I have a hunch that this is exactly why they said that win11 new taskbar/start menu was made with touch device in mind, the current tablet mode feels so limited...it feels like that was the plan all along


Even the galaxy tab s7 can do it
Oh well, I thought that Tablet Mode was somewhat more useful for actual tablet. I remember trying out Windows 8 or 8.1 tablets in shops and they were actually pretty cool. However, on desktop that same Windows just didn't quite work, although it looked really cool.
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MikeSnow
MentalAcetylideHeh, whoever would've thought that it would eventually come to having a boot up one's ass just to boot up a computer?
It could be worse, you could need a computer to put on your boots. Oh, wait:
The Adapt App gives you exclusive access to the latest and greatest features of your Nike Adapt footwear.
REMOTELY ADJUST YOUR FIT
Tighten or loosen Nike Adapt footwear from your phone. The Adapt App allows you to make fine-tuned adjustments for each shoe to get the perfect fit.
and, a bit later:
One user writes, "The first software update for the shoe threw an error while updating, bricking the right shoe." Another says, "App will only sync with left shoe and then fails every time. Also, app says left shoe is already connected to another device whenever I try to reinstall and start over."

"My left shoe won't even reboot." writes another. One user offers a possible solution, saying, "You need to do a manual reset of both shoes per the instructions."

Calling a smart shoe that can't use its smart features a "brick" might seem a little extreme, but keep in mind, with no manual laces, you need to trigger the self lacing feature to tighten the shoes around your feet. If the firmware update fails and you can't lace up your shoes anymore, they are kind of useless as shoes.
arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/my-left-shoe-wont-even-reboot-faulty-app-bricks-nike-smart-sneakers/
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lexluthermiester
dyonoctisSofter to the competition, nowadays, you're only hearing of Microsoft pushing their agenda onto their customers, instead of how Microsoft is trying to crush the opposition with questionable practice, or ruin the legacy of a once legendary company. Nokia was the last victim that I can remember...
Why can't they just play nice with everyone instead of being aholes to us users?
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AusWolf
dyonoctisIt's a bit of a marketing and UX decision...if you leave to a user the choice between an old habit that he's used to or having to learn a new habit that may open up more possibilities, he's going to go with what he's more familiar. Many people are not very curious, and just use what they were told/used to use instead of trying to see for themselves if x new program, device, option is good or not...so yhea you have to shove things down the user's throat at times. (Even Apple users weren't happy at first when they ditched the home button, and changed the whole navigation, but they eventually adapted)
All I tend to say is: there's no need to fix something that works. The only reason UI designers constantly try to shove things down the user's throat is to keep their jobs at Microsoft, Apple, etc, and not because they want to create something useful, like Henry Ford did. They are paid to change things even if some things don't need changing. Look at the Windows Start Menu for example. They tried to ditch it in Windows 8 which ended up being a small disaster, so it was back in Windows 10.
dyonoctisI remember seeing people complaining about full screen phones and virtual keyboards, how they hated to type on glass... now typing on glass has become the new standard, the kids who grew up with those devices will never understand what the fuss was about. Microsoft is basically trying stuff out, look what sticks, and eventually get rid of what people didn't ended up using. (wich granted isn't ideal, but the end user doesn't always know what he really needs either. Henry Ford said : "if I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses")
I still hate typing on glass, to be honest. My problem is that I don't have a choice because phones with full qwerty keyboards are dead. I still have a Sony Xperia Mini Pro that @The red spirit mentioned, and I would still use it if its battery/CPU/RAM/storage capacity was enough for everyday tasks.

I mean, typing a quick "hi, how are ya" on Messenger is ok, but I couldn't type this post without my PC and its physical keyboard. I guess this is a contributing factor towards the world devolving into pseudo-communicating "lol-wtf-brb" monkeys - people just can't type proper messages because it's uncomfortable on glass, so they devolve the language to fit the use case instead.
dyonoctisWin 11 won't come with some of win 10 bloatware. Some people hate the xbox gamebar, but after using it, I actually find it more convenient to use and with a lower memory footprint than most after market programs.


Much bloat wow
If you like it, that's fine, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to uninstall a program if you don't need it, however small it is.

My phone has a Netflix app built in. I don't have a Netflix account, so I don't understand: 1. Why am I not allowed to uninstall it? 2. Even if I had an account, why on earth would I want to use Netflix on a phone?
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Hargema
WirkoWhat happens if you do install Windows 10 with an account created just for this purpose, then burn the account?
I guess you can't access your session without an account, so you'll be soft locked until you create one?
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newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
HargemaI guess you can't access your session without an account, so you'll be soft locked until you create one?
Nope, you can use a local account just like you can now after the initial setup of Windows 10 Home.

Though I wouldn't burn the account, I don't see the point. Just create one and never use it except for setting up Windows Home edition. I already have one just for dropping machines out of S-Mode.
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R-T-B
lexluthermiesterNot me. For this unacceptable act of attempted control I will be joining the movement to crack the hell of the installers and remove those requirements. I'll be sharing with everyone how to do it as well. Microsoft has finally cross the wrong line.

As you all may have guessed, the optimism expressed earlier in other threads is Gonesville!
I wish you luck, but after being part of the effort to defeat the Intel ME, I can only tell you it will take many more hours than it could ever be worth using common sense.

Sadly this time I won't be playing, new job and all. But I really do wish you luck.

As wrong as it feels, I will likely be forced to comply with running the Intel ME on my board again so my business can run this. Meh.
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lexluthermiester
R-T-BI wish you luck, but after being part of the effort to defeat the Intel ME, I can only tell you it will take many more hours than it could ever be worth using common sense.

Sadly this time I won't be playing, new job and all. But I really do wish you luck.

As wrong as it feels, I will likely be forced to comply with running the Intel ME on my board again so my business can run this. Meh.
We'll see. I anticipate work-arounds will take some doing, but will succeed. microsoft's f&#kery will not be tolerated..
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plastiscɧ
lexluthermiesterWe'll see. I anticipate work-arounds will take some doing, but will succeed. microsoft's f&#kery will not be tolerated..
well....

microsoft can tell many things on a long day! :nutkick:

call me insane :kookoo: BUT in case u clean install the upcoming OS.... just plug out your WiFi- and cabled internet! U will be asked if u can connect to it but just say to the installer; NO! i have no internet! Your win10 account is valid and activates the OS automatically. Otherwise create an Local Account. And stay offline during the whole installation process until u are the first time on the desktop and u installed all your stuff just as usual.
then go online again.


ez!
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lexluthermiester
plastiscɧjust plug out your WiFi- and cabled internet!
I always do this. NO PC should EVER be connected to the internet during installation of the OS. You're literally asking for and expressly inviting problems to happen if you do. This has been true since Windows XP. I see people doing it and I think to myself "Daft twonks.."
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R-T-B
plastiscɧwell....

microsoft can tell many things on a long day! :nutkick:

call me insane :kookoo: BUT in case u clean install the upcoming OS.... just plug out your WiFi- and cabled internet! U will be asked if u can connect to it but just say to the installer; NO! i have no internet! Your win10 account is valid and activates the OS automatically. Otherwise create an Local Account. And stay offline during the whole installation process until u are the first time on the desktop and u installed all your stuff just as usual.
then go online again.


ez!
On 10 home, you are already not allowed to complete the install in that fashion, though I am sure there are unofficial workarounds...

This is a continuation of that on 11.
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