Sunday, October 3rd 2021

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000 Series Delayed to 2022?

Launch of AMD's upcoming Ryzen Threadripper 5000 series high-end desktop (HEDT) and Threadripper WX workstation processors, is rumored to have been delayed to 2022, according to Greymon55, a reliable source with AMD leaks. Codenamed "Chagall," these processors are compatible with existing sTRX4 and sWRX8 motherboards, based on the AMD TRX40 and AMD WRX80 chipsets, respectively. What's new, is the "Zen 3" microarchitecture.

It remains to be seen if the delay is the result of a last-minute decision by AMD to go with the newer "Zen 3" CCD that comes with 3D Vertical Cache technology, over the conventional "Zen 3" CCD; or some other reason. A 2022 launch would mean that Threadripper 5000 series will be launching around the time when Intel has desktop platforms with DDR5 memory and PCI-Express Gen 5. Threadripper 5000 chips with quad-channel DDR4 memory (four 64-bit wide channels) will be seen offering only comparable memory bandwidth to "Alder Lake" systems with overclocked DDR5 memory (four 40-bit wide channels). AMD is likely to prioritize its next "big" socket for the enterprise segment with EPYC "Genoa," as the company could find itself embattled with Xeon "Sapphire Rapids" processors that come with next-gen I/O.
Sources: Greymon55 (Twitter), VideoCardz
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37 Comments on AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000 Series Delayed to 2022?

#1
Minus Infinity
Looking already scared of what they are seeing from Alder Lake benchmarks. Sapphire Rapids will smash Threadripper if it's just old Zen3 cores.
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#2
Lionheart
Minus InfinityLooking already scared of what they are seeing from Alder Lake benchmarks. Sapphire Rapids will smash Threadripper if it's just old Zen3 cores.
Sure bro.
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#3
dicktracy
Consoles take higher priority because nobody's buying OverpricedRippers anymore and they have no fab
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#5
Xex360
Probably due to limited supply.
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#7
Crackong
Minus InfinityLooking already scared of what they are seeing from Alder Lake benchmarks. Sapphire Rapids will smash Threadripper if it's just old Zen3 cores.
Sure Man.
Hope AMD prices comes down so we could enjoy cheaper AMD
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#8
Nephilim666
The market demographic which is buying threadrippers won't hesitate to switch to a different platform if there are superior chips from Intel. The cost of churning is not dramatically higher than a new CPU alone.
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#9
lynx29
dicktracyConsoles take higher priority because nobody's buying OverpricedRippers anymore and they have no fab
yep. still trying to get my hands on a playstation 5. it's been frustrating. I am not paying a scalper. I'll get lucky one of these days. supply has to catch up eventually, even if I have to wait until Fall 2022.
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#10
ZoneDymo
feel like someone's username is a reference to their IQ...

completely and fully unrelated
Minus InfinityLooking already scared of what they are seeing from Alder Lake benchmarks. Sapphire Rapids will smash Threadripper if it's just old Zen3 cores.
old zen3 cores? its still pretty much the most high end thing you can buy still today.....only sapphire rapids will be newer when they are released...in the future... but we dont know a thing about its performance......
Nephilim666The market demographic which is buying threadrippers won't hesitate to switch to a different platform if there are superior chips from Intel. The cost of churning is not dramatically higher than a new CPU alone.
You say that but TR is a drop in upgrade which is a lot less costly then switching out literally everything
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#11
Wirko
@btarunr
DDR4 memory (four 64-bit wide channels)
DDR5 memory (four 40-bit wide channels)
Apples to apples would be 72 bits vs. 40 bits (channel width including ECC) or 64 bits vs. 32 bits (not including ECC). ECC as part of the data bus is still optional in DDR5 and even when present, it does not increase the data rate.
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#12
Turmania
I just want to point out to the double standards here nothing else, If this happened to Intel, you could see hundreds of comments mocking them, but when it happens to AMD, all those fanboys runs out of excuses.
These things can happen in tech industry just very sad to see blind loyalty.
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#13
zlobby
Minus InfinityLooking already scared of what they are seeing from Alder Lake benchmarks. Sapphire Rapids will smash Threadripper if it's just old Zen3 cores.
Riiiight!
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#14
ZoneDymo
TurmaniaI just want to point out to the double standards here nothing else, If this happened to Intel, you could see hundreds of comments mocking them, but when it happens to AMD, all those fanboys runs out of excuses.
These things can happen in tech industry just very sad to see blind loyalty.
that sentense does not really make sense because it implies that AMD fanboys are making excuses for intel or something....

other then that, what critism are we talking about? hardware being pushed back to a later date? I dont think either side attaches too much value to that tbh.
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#15
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
Minus InfinityLooking already scared of what they are seeing from Alder Lake benchmarks. Sapphire Rapids will smash Threadripper if it's just old Zen3 cores.
You mean how Alder Lake was keeping up with a Threadripper from 3 years ago but gets wrecked by a modern 32c/64t TR chip? Sure bub. I don't think AMD is scared and as far as we know, this chip was consuming 200w to do it.
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#16
Hardware Geek
lynx29yep. still trying to get my hands on a playstation 5. it's been frustrating. I am not paying a scalper. I'll get lucky one of these days. supply has to catch up eventually, even if I have to wait until Fall 2022.
I got lucky last November and scored one. Seriously, it's not worth the hype until more games come out. I mainly play ps4 games on it still.
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#17
lynx29
Hardware GeekI got lucky last November and scored one. Seriously, it's not worth the hype until more games come out. I mainly play ps4 games on it still.
this is what i want it for though, i never owned a ps4. i was living at college during those days and just busy with other stuff. i missed all of the sony games. and i want to experienced them remastered.
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#18
trsttte
It would be great if they could streamline the product line and merge threadripper and threadripper pro, the prices charged and advantages make the threadripper a ripoff and threadripper pro a big discount over epic.
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#19
milewski1015
ZoneDymoother then that, what criticism are we talking about? hardware being pushed back to a later date? I don't think either side attaches too much value to that tbh.
Exactly this. I see this as an informative news piece. Sure, the piece mentions potential future comparisons, but we don't have performance figures for those yet.

Even if AMD was "scared" of which future Intel chips it may be released alongside, and was designing these with better silicon as a preemptive response, why is that a demerit? Is competition not what we want from these companies from a consumer perspective?
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#21
Vayra86
TurmaniaI just want to point out to the double standards here nothing else, If this happened to Intel, you could see hundreds of comments mocking them, but when it happens to AMD, all those fanboys runs out of excuses.
These things can happen in tech industry just very sad to see blind loyalty.
Just consider it the running joke, so that we can also keep the running joke of AMD the underdog catching Intel with its pants down going at the same time ;)

Nvidia, same thing really. And isn't it funny when the meme bites them for once? Its all about having fun, these are companies, we can rise above being sympathetic for them.
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#22
ZoneDymo
HenrySomeoneThreadripper with 4-times the cores, pal. If 5600x was beating a 24 core xeon, you'd be all over it! :rolleyes:
I meaaaan....if you would still attach value for some bewildering reason to the name "Xeon"
To me you can chuck that up with Pentium and Opterion, old dated tech.

So as for me, it would be more a "ermm yeah, duh" moment if you told me a 5600x beats a 3 year old Xeon......
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#23
HenrySomeone
ZoneDymoI meaaaan....if you would still attach value for some bewildering reason to the name "Xeon"
To me you can chuck that up with Pentium and Opterion, old dated tech.

So as for me, it would be more a "ermm yeah, duh" moment if you told me a 5600x beats a 3 year old Xeon......
Boy, the fanboyism is running rampant around here! But the first dose of cure is fortunately just around the corner.
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#24
trsttte
ZoneDymoI meaaaan....if you would still attach value for some bewildering reason to the name "Xeon"
It has real value, being the only way to get ECC and other professional features on the blue side while using the exact same chips, the value of ripping of customers as it were. Team red doesn't do a lot better but the option is mostly there as long as people pay with their wallets for the board partners to validate the boards (there are a couple boards that do, but obviously they are on the expensive side)
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#25
AnarchoPrimitiv
LionheartSure bro.
hahaha, I know right....that guy probably saw the one benchmark where alderlake MATCHED a 2990WX from three years ago on the Zen+ architecture and somehow extrapolates that to it BEATING a 32 core Zen3 threadripper....I
TurmaniaI just want to point out to the double standards here nothing else, If this happened to Intel, you could see hundreds of comments mocking them, but when it happens to AMD, all those fanboys runs out of excuses.
These things can happen in tech industry just very sad to see blind loyalty.
Yeah....I just want to point out that Intel's R&D budget for 2020 was literally 6.5x more than AMD's, and Intel's 2020 Revenue ($78 Billion) is about 8x more than AMD's 2020 Revenue ($9.76 Billion)....so when intel doesn't deliver with literally a magnitude greater resources than AMD, there's no excuse for Intel, meanwhile AMD is working on a shoestring compared to Intel, and has been whipping them for several years now....which makes AMD's victories all that more impressive.....please, name any other business from any other industry that is BEATING a competitor that has a 6.5x greater R&D budget and an 8x greater Revenue stream. For that matter, Nvidia's R&D budget for 2020 was $4 billion, double that of AMD's, and AMD has to divide their R&D budget between GPUs and CPUs while Nvidia just spends it on GPUs, so it'd be more accurate to say Nvidia's R&D budget is more than 4x greater than AMD's (as I'm sure AMD spends more of their budget on x86 since that has a much larger T.A.M.), and AMD is still able to compete, and in a sane world where we could go on MSRP, AMD would be arguably offering a better value in each price tier.

We live in a reality dominated by financial resources, and until you factor in those resources in assessing which company is doing better or worse, your assessment is divorced from reality....when you consider that AMD beats Intel and competes (and even beats in rasterization) against Nvidia, AMD's performance is more impressive than either of those companies. If AMD had Intel's financial resources in x86 and Nvidia's financial resources in dGPU, they'd have completely run away with it over the past few years.
HenrySomeoneBoy, the fanboyism is running rampant around here! But the first dose of cure is fortunately just around the corner.
How is it fanboyism when he is stating the fact that alderlake was beating a 3 year old Threadripper chip with Zen+ architecture (which literally represents a near 40% decrease in IPC vs Zen3)?....it seems more like fanboyism to be ignoring that fact like somebody around here
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