Tuesday, November 23rd 2021

AMD Readies Radeon RX 6500 XT and RX 6400 Graphics Cards

AMD is preparing to wrap up its Radeon RX 6000 series desktop discrete graphics card family with two new SKUs, the RX 6500 XT and the RX 6400. The two debut the company's smallest piece of silicon based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture, codenamed "Navi 24," to the desktop space. The RX 6500 XT maxes out this silicon, enabling all 16 compute units physically present, working out to 1,024 stream processors. The RX 6400 is significantly cut down, featuring 12 out of 16 CUs, which means 768 stream processors.

The Navi 24 silicon features a 64-bit wide GDDR6 memory interface, which is paired with 4 GB of discrete memory on both SKUs. This memory operates at 14 Gbps data-rate, which works out to 112 GB/s memory bandwidth. Interestingly, the Infinity Cache makes a comeback, in the form of a tiny 16 MB on-die cache that cushions the memory sub-system. The RX 6500 XT could have just enough muscle for e-sports gaming at 1080p, while the RX 6400 seems more like a card you'd buy just because your processor lacks integrated graphics (eg: if you're using a Ryzen 5000X processor and just need a graphics solution that meets the latest display I/O and media-acceleration standards). At this point we don't know if the Navi 24 is DirectX 12 Ultimate compliant, i.e., featuring Ray Accelerators on its compute units. Both cards are expected to launch in Q1, 2022.
Source: VideoCardz
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62 Comments on AMD Readies Radeon RX 6500 XT and RX 6400 Graphics Cards

#1
randompeep
'grandfa, so you had 200$ GPUs in your teenager days ?! o_O'
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Maenad
S.T.A.R.S.
I seriously wouldn't be surprised at all if even the slowest one would cost like 150-200USD/EUR..
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#3
randompeep
Jill Christine ValentineI seriously wouldn't be surprised at all if even the slowest one would cost like 150-200USD/EUR..
I suspect the lowest SKU of the stack being exclusive to OEMs 'cause they're living the life of their dreams and $$$ keeps coming.
For 6500XT, the perf must be at 1.2x the 5500XT level and the price around 229. Just pure guessing, but I highly doubt I'm wrong. On the good side of the sheets, it should be a solid performer on the efficiency chart!
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#4
ARF
The 5500 XT sells for $600...
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ratirt
ARFThe 5500 XT sells for $600...
I see it for $300 but that's still a blasphemy.
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ARF
ratirtI see it for $300 but that's still a blasphemy.
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ratirt
ARFEurope, Germany:



US:

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#8
watzupken
I wonder how this will fare against the GTX 1650 GDDR6. In my opinion, AMD is cutting down on the specs too deeply as we move down the lower end models. With a 64bit memory bus and a puny 16MB Infinity Cache, I am skeptical it will fare much better than the Turing based GTX 1650. It will likely pull less power than the GTX 1650 due to the 7nm vs 14nm node used, but at this level of power requirement, I don't think it will bother most people.
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#9
Maenad
S.T.A.R.S.
In Finland 5500 XT is practically out of stock. The cheapest was 291EUR but it's not in stock.
watzupkenI wonder how this will fare against the GTX 1650 GDDR6. In my opinion, AMD is cutting down on the specs too deeply as we move down the lower end models. With a 64bit memory bus and a puny 16MB Infinity Cache, I am skeptical it will fare much better than the Turing based GTX 1650. It will likely pull less power than the GTX 1650 due to the 7nm vs 14nm node used, but at this level of power requirement, I don't think it will bother most people.
Though it's GDDR6 with 14Gbps speed. A significant increase from the last entry-level gaming card with 64-bit bus (GT 1030 GDDR5).
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#10
Valantar
I was really hoping for at least 20 CUs on these lower end GPUs, but I guess we'll have to make do with 16. Wonder how performance turns out. For those mentioning this competing with the 1650: If that's the level it lands on - a 2 1/2 year old GPU that delivered underwhelming performance at launch - this is dead in the water. They have to deliver way more than that for this to make any type of sense. Of course in our current market literally anything will sell, but in a more sane realm that would be a completely unacceptable proposition. Given the low CU count they'll need to clock this quite high to compete, but they should be able to deliver a lot more than that. Still, the RX 6600 delivers ~RTX 2060 Super performance with 28CUs at ~130W, and even accounting for the lower memory bandwidth and IC size, this should be able to deliver good performance at 75W and 16 CUs. Something in the 1660-1660 Super (66-74% of a 6600) would be my hope. That would make for a kick-ass low profile GPU for a tiny gaming rig, at least.
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#11
Gmr_Chick
As a 1660 Super owner, I'm interested in seeing how the 6500 XT performs.
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#12
Valantar
Gmr_ChickAs a 1660 Super owner, I'm interested in seeing how the 6500 XT performs.
Given that the RX 6600 non-XT is ~35% faster than your current GPU, you'd likely be looking at a sidegrade. Best case scenario would be a ~10% improvement or thereabouts. Not worth the money.
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Maenad
S.T.A.R.S.
ValantarGiven that the RX 6600 non-XT is ~35% faster than your current GPU, you'd likely be looking at a sidegrade. Best case scenario would be a ~10% improvement or thereabouts. Not worth the money.
And with today's prices, upgrading is expensive as it's not worth to have a small improvement, but it costs hella lot to have a noticeable increase in performance. From older midrange cards it's not THAT expensive but for example, going for a faster card from my 1080 Ti it's not cheap.
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Readlight
I was interested in best 75W 120 euro card.
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Maenad
S.T.A.R.S.
ReadlightI was interested in best 75W 120 euro card.
I'm afraid that 120EUR isn't going to happen, even for the lowest-one card. You can barely get a GT 1030 with that cash today and that's an old entry-level card.
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#16
ExcuseMeWtf
In normal GPU market that'd be pretty hype'y for me.

As it is now, expecting price inflation to carry over sadly, regardless of mining capabilites of those.
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#17
AusWolf
Jill Christine ValentineAnd with today's prices, upgrading is expensive as it's not worth to have a small improvement, but it costs hella lot to have a noticeable increase in performance. From older midrange cards it's not THAT expensive but for example, going for a faster card from my 1080 Ti it's not cheap.
IMO, it's a waste of money to upgrade from a 1080 (Ti) level card with current prices. The money you spend exponentially increases for barely noticeable improvements in performance. Unless you want to game in 4K, in which case you don't really have another option but to upgrade.

As for the article: I'm happy to see AMD producing entry-level cards again. They're a bliss in the current product stacks of both GPU makers.
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#18
Valantar
Yeah, with today's GPU prices €120 is out of the question, but even before that the only GPUs at that price level have historically been barely acceptable in terms of performance - GT 1030, RX 540, etc. There was a short period when the RX 570 could be had below €150, but that was an aberration, and isn't likely to repeat. Given that AMD's cheapest current gen GPU is $330, I'm expecting these to sit in the €200+ range. Which is absolutely insane, and I would love to be wrong, but it is what it is. Even in normal times, these GPUs would likely fill the €150-200 space, especially with the 6400 likely being much more capable than previous '4' tier AMD GPUs.
Jill Christine ValentineAnd with today's prices, upgrading is expensive as it's not worth to have a small improvement, but it costs hella lot to have a noticeable increase in performance. From older midrange cards it's not THAT expensive but for example, going for a faster card from my 1080 Ti it's not cheap.
Yeah, upgrading from a 1080 Ti doesn't really make sense today. That generation delivered an unbelievable value (and efficiency) proposition. A 6600 XT is (barely) faster, but ... it's likely more expensive as well. Anything with a meaningful increase in performance (3060 Ti, 6700 XT) would likely be in the €700-1000 range, and anything really worth the upgrade in terms of performance (6800 XT, 3080) up to twice that, so ... yeah, not worth it.
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#19
Fluffmeister
RX6000 series cards are really easy to come by here, so not sure how they can justify such huge price increases just because the competition is all sold out.
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Maenad
S.T.A.R.S.
AusWolfIMO, it's a waste of money to upgrade from a 1080 (Ti) level card with current prices. The money you spend exponentially increases for barely noticeable improvements in performance. Unless you want to game in 4K, in which case you don't really have another option but to upgrade.

As for the article: I'm happy to see AMD producing entry-level cards again. They're a bliss in the current product stacks of both GPU makers.
Yeah, this is more than capable for 1080p60. I'm going to get a 4K60 next but I can lower the settings if needed, not a problem for me :)
ValantarYeah, upgrading from a 1080 Ti doesn't really make sense today. That generation delivered an unbelievable value (and efficiency) proposition. A 6600 XT is (barely) faster, but ... it's likely more expensive as well. Anything with a meaningful increase in performance (3060 Ti, 6700 XT) would likely be in the €700-1000 range, and anything really worth the upgrade in terms of performance (6800 XT, 3080) up to twice that, so ... yeah, not worth it.
I agree with many when they say that 1080 Ti is one of the best graphics cards ever made.
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#21
ratirt
I looked over prices and availability a bit today and clearly nothing is available and if something is the price for the product is higher than in February this year.
We have to face the truth, it will not get better and I'm worried, we had better already and now it is over.
Jill Christine ValentineYeah, this is more than capable for 1080p60. I'm going to get a 4K60 next but I can lower the settings if needed, not a problem for me
what is your aim for a graphics to play 4k60?
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#22
Maenad
S.T.A.R.S.
ratirtI looked over prices and availability a bit today and clearly nothing is available and if something is the price for the product is higher than in February this year.
We have to face the truth, it will not get better and I'm worried, we had better already and now it is over.
I'd love to get an upgrade to my 2nd rig though. But on the other hand, does modern cards work with such an old (X58) system, doesnt they require UEFI and other things?
ratirtwhat is your aim for a graphics to play 4k60?
I can live with med-high settings, no need for ultra/very high etc
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#23
ratirt
Jill Christine ValentineI'd love to get an upgrade to my 2nd rig though. But on the other hand, does modern cards work with such an old (X58) system, doesnt they require UEFI and other things?


I can live with med-high settings, no need for ultra/very high etc
That is a good question but I dont think they do. As long as you have a PCI-e 3.0 and up you are good to go.
Jill Christine ValentineI'd love to get an upgrade to my 2nd rig though. But on the other hand, does modern cards work with such an old (X58) system, doesnt they require UEFI and other things?


I can live with med-high settings, no need for ultra/very high etc
with current games, at least some of them, you wont get the ultra even if you had to go for top notch card.
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Maenad
S.T.A.R.S.
ratirtThat is a good question but I dont think they do. As long as you have a PCI-e 3.0 and up you are good to go.


with current games, at least some of them, you wont get the ultra even if you had to go for top notch card.
It's X58 so it's a PCIe 2.0 platform. Well, I've been a budget gamer more or less all the time I've been with PCs so it's not that a big deal.

But on the topic itself, a 6500 XT sounds kinda interesting for my 2nd rig if it's supported with such an old platform..
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#25
Valantar
FluffmeisterRX6000 series cards are really easy to come by here, so not sure how they can justify such huge price increases just because the competition is all sold out.
Where is that? Regardless of location, I assume distributors and retailers are pushing prices just because they can. Both AMD and Nvidia's MSRPs this generation are pretty dumb, but for the most part they aren't insane like street prices, meaning that someone further down the distribution chain is padding their margins.
Jill Christine ValentineI agree with many when they say that 1080 Ti is one of the best graphics cards ever made.
Yeah, that's likely true, especially when you factor in context like successive generations. I mean, it's a high end, $700 MSRP GPU that is (barely) beaten by $379 inflated MSPR upper mid-range GPUs four years later, but ... that's four years. It used to be a year or two before a GPU went mostly obsolete, while the 1080 Ti is still good in most games today. That is pretty much unprecedented.
Jill Christine ValentineI can live with med-high settings, no need for ultra/very high etc
Sounds like a good approach, but keep in mind that upscaling can be pretty good too. Especially on a high density 2160p panel a lower resolution can be a good solution as well. That panel resolution gives a lot of flexibility!
ratirtThat is a good question but I dont think they do. As long as you have a PCI-e 3.0 and up you are good to go.
Most current GPUs require UEFI boot to work - AFAIK both the RTX 3000 and RX 6000 series do, at least.
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