Friday, April 7th 2023

Tenstorrent Tech Talk Reveals Hints of AMD's "Zen 5" Performance

Tenstorrent hosted their "Nerds Talking to Nerds About RISC-V" event this week in India where a dozen high profile industry experts hosted technical talks and panels about every facet of the RISC-V landscape and future. Among these are some familiar names to anyone who's been keeping up on the CPU industry; Raja Koduri of his own AI Generative Gaming startup company, Lars Bergstrom of Google, Naveed Sherwani of Rapid Silicon, and of course Jim Keller the CEO of Tenstorrent itself. On the first day of the event a mere 42 minutes into the YouTube live stream during his keynote talk, Jim Keller is providing an overview of Tenstorrent's latest silicon design goals. He presents a slide showing a wide comparison of various competitor's integer performance in SPEC CPU 2017 INT wherein a raw performance value for AMD's yet released "Zen 5" is listed, as well as the operating frequency and TDP of the supposed sample.

The slide shows all of AMD's recent architectures starting with the original "Zen" (Naples) and the improvements each successive generation has made. Also shown is one of Intel's latest "Sapphire Rapids" Xeons, a projected performance point of NVIDIA's in-house CPU architecture "Grace", Amazon's "Graviton" series with a projected result for "Graviton 3," and Tenstorrent's own 8-wide RISC-V architecture as it currently performs in their labs. While all of these are fascinating results in their own right, we're going to narrow in on the "Zen 4" (Genoa) and "Zen 5" results. We can see from the Frequency and TDP charts that "Zen 4" is clocked at 3.8 GHz as it's equal to the Xeon Platinum 8480+ (which itself boosts to 3.8 GHz in light threaded workloads such as this) so is therefore likely a variant of EPYC 9354 or 9454 with its TDP configured at the minimum 240 W. The unnamed "Zen 5" CPU is shown to be running at around 4.0 GHz with the same 240 W TDP, a tiny 5% bump in core clock, while delivering a substantial 30% jump in performance. The most interesting detail here is that nowhere is it listed—as with "Grace" and "Graviton 3"—that this is a projected result.
Industry leaks are nothing new, and usually you're safe to be suspect of the source and brush them off with a pinch of salt and a shrug. However if you'll recall Jim Keller had a not-insignificant role to play in delivering AMD's "Zen" architecture, and in previous keynotes he's stated that his efforts extended to laying the ground work for at least "Zen 3". While Keller has not worked for AMD in quite a few years, there exists a higher level of credibility when information such as this originates with somebody such as he. There is no doubt AMD has working "Zen 5" processors in testing, and rumors have it that they may be pushing for commercial availability before the end of the year. So the question becomes whether Tenstorrent was given access to preliminary results of these new chips, or if the information is purely speculative based on their latent internal knowledge of what's in the pipeline.
Source: Tenstorrent
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11 Comments on Tenstorrent Tech Talk Reveals Hints of AMD's "Zen 5" Performance

#1
TumbleGeorge
Seems like ZEN 5 for desktop will be all that home users will needs for next decade of years. :)
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#2
kondamin
The bottom lines of the graph, are those his companies risk v soc results?
that would be far more impressive than what ever intel or amd are doing
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#3
mama
Definitely waiting for Zen 5. Should release later this year.
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#4
Minus Infinity
mamaDefinitely waiting for Zen 5. Should release later this year.
No it won't at least not for desktop.
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#5
john_
Question about the charts.
Wasn't Zen 1+ to Zen 2 a much bigger step, compared to the step from Zen 2 to Zen 3? Based on the chart Zen 1+ to Zen 2 wasn't that much big of a step.
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#6
TumbleGeorge
john_Question about the charts.
Wasn't Zen 1+ to Zen 2 a much bigger step, compared to the step from Zen 2 to Zen 3? Based on the chart Zen 1+ to Zen 2 wasn't that much big of a step.
ZEN 1+ to ZEN 2 also was good step ahead. :)
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#7
Denver
john_Question about the charts.
Wasn't Zen 1+ to Zen 2 a much bigger step, compared to the step from Zen 2 to Zen 3? Based on the chart Zen 1+ to Zen 2 wasn't that much big of a step.
Probably because gaming performance and IPC are not directly comparable metrics... having a monolithic 8core die yielded a huge gain for zen3 in gaming, much bigger than IPC.
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#8
Jism
How can you rate a CPU without testing or simulating it's performance first?

Sounds like an investment round.
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#10
Minus Infinity
mamaYou may be right but like me you are speculating. At least I have some basis to my speculation. I refer you here: Upcoming Hardware Launches 2023 (Updated Apr 2023) | TechPowerUp
What is that even based on? Others have said that there will not be Zen 5 and pointed to those so-called timetables as being highly questionable in 2023. Maybe Q1 2024.

Zen 5 releasing in less than 12 months after Zen 4 is as likely as Arrow Lake shipping this year.
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#11
R0H1T
It's not releasing this year, they're still selling zen3 upgrades, to those who want to stay with AM4, like hot cakes & I doubt they've made enough money from zen4 already. So zen5 should realistically launch towards the end of Q1 CY 2024 if not later.
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