Monday, May 1st 2023

AMD Ryzen 7040HS and 7040H "Phoenix" Laptop CPUs Get Tested

AMD is late in releasing its Phoenix Zen 4 lineup of mobile APUs - the original April launch has been missed, and laptops bearing Ryzen 7000HS & H-series are expected to arrive at some point this month. Preview hardware has made its way into the hands of testers, and one particular outlet - Golden Pig Upgrade, a content creator on the Chinese Bilibili video site - has performed benchmark tests. He seems to be the first reviewer to get hands-on time with AMD Ryzen 7040 Phoenix APUs, and his findings point to class leading performance results in terms of graphical capabilities - the 7840HS (packing a Radeon 780M RDNA3 iGPU) is compared to the Rembrandt-based 7735H, as well as a pair of Intel Raptor Lake CPUs - the 13700H and 13500H models.

AMD's newest Phoenix APU is the group leader in GPU performance stakes, but the jump up from the last-gen Rembrandt (RDNA2 iGPU) chip is not all that significant. VideoCardz reckons that the Radeon 780M integrated GPU is roughly equivalent to an NVIDIA GeForce MX550 dGPU and not far off from a GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q graphics card (in terms of benchmark performance). According to AMD's internal documentation the RDNA 3 core architecture utilized in Phoenix APUs is referred to as "2.5" so this perhaps explains why the 780M is not doing laps around its older silbing(s).
VideoCardz also highlights that the Ryzen 7040HS and 7040H series share similar specifications - AMD has not provided any explanation for this crossover, and Golden Pig Upgrade's video review does not delve into this matter. The 7940H and 7940HS appear to be near identical (outside of a bolded title font) on Team Red's product pages.
Sources: Golden Pig Upgrade Review Video, VideoCardz
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11 Comments on AMD Ryzen 7040HS and 7040H "Phoenix" Laptop CPUs Get Tested

#1
HairyLobsters
Why are they being made in China if there is also a ban on technology exports to China?
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Lew Zealand
So still well behind the RX 6400/GTX 1650 in those synthetic tests. Maybe next generation.
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LabRat 891
HairyLobstersWhy are they being made in China if there is also a ban on technology exports to China?
It's complicated.
With most of these embargo's/bans, when you get into the details, loopholes and 'special dispensations' you begin to wonder what the actual point ever was.

Ex: I Recently ran across a similar scenario researching CCTV IP cameras.
The US NDAA bars (many) Chinese manufacturers of subcomponents, cameras, and DVRs/NVRs from being used (basically) in any application using Tax-Payer funds. However, you'll find the whole 'thing' is an ineffectual mess.
Huawei, Hikvision, and Dahua 'kit' are amongst the 'banned'. Yet, the "NDAA-compliant" equipment is still made in China (plausibly, using sanitized and rebranded components), and even companies like Bosch are selling NDAA-banned equipment.
There are already many "documented" instances of the NDAA being violated, through complication and misunderstandings of what is being purchased. I can only imagine how many "undocumented" violations have occurred...
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AnarchoPrimitiv
Lew ZealandSo still well behind the RX 6400/GTX 1650 in those synthetic tests. Maybe next generation.
Who cares about synthetic....the AAA gaming results that ETA prime showed are seriously impressive, and that was with beta drivers....once the drivers get sorted out, I'm sure performance will be even better.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think it's pretty impressive that someone can buy a relatively affordable laptop that doesn't require a dGPU and can still have a quality gaming experience. I can't wait for mini PCs to come out with the pheonix line, but I'm even more hopeful of a desktop DIY APU, as I'd absolutely love to build an HTPC/Emulation/gaming SFF build with one.
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TheinsanegamerN
Lew ZealandSo still well behind the RX 6400/GTX 1650 in those synthetic tests. Maybe next generation.
It always will be. Every single generation an APU will be outperformed by 50+ watt dedicated GPUs with their own dedicated VRAM busses and TDPs.

This surprises no one.
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#6
Crackong
HairyLobstersWhy are they being made in China if there is also a ban on technology exports to China?
Because they technically aren't made in China but assembled in China ?
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#7
Lew Zealand
AnarchoPrimitivWho cares about synthetic....the AAA gaming results that ETA prime showed are seriously impressive, and that was with beta drivers....once the drivers get sorted out, I'm sure performance will be even better.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think it's pretty impressive that someone can buy a relatively affordable laptop that doesn't require a dGPU and can still have a quality gaming experience. I can't wait for mini PCs to come out with the pheonix line, but I'm even more hopeful of a desktop DIY APU, as I'd absolutely love to build an HTPC/Emulation/gaming SFF build with one.
Don't get me wrong, I just use the RX 6400 as a tacit benchmark since I've used an RX 6400 in a PCIe 3.0 system and was continually surprised how capable it was despite its on-paper limitations. I'd love to have one of these iGPUs in an affordable laptop and/or a miniPC as I got started gaming with Intel Iris Plus iGPUs in NUCs. And still do on occasion.
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#8
Wirko
There was confusion initially regarding L3 cache size on Phoenix die, do we now know for certain if it's 16 MB or 32 MB?
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T0@st
News Editor
WirkoThere was confusion initially regarding L3 cache size on Phoenix die, do we now know for certain if it's 16 MB or 32 MB?
16 MB L3 cache size confirmed by AMD on 7940HS and 7940H, according to the info on their product pages.
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#10
beedoo
TheinsanegamerNIt always will be. Every single generation an APU will be outperformed by 50+ watt dedicated GPUs with their own dedicated VRAM busses and TDPs.

This surprises no one.
No, there has to be negativity and resentment... how else will we bring civilisation down?
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#11
Minus Infinity
TheinsanegamerNIt always will be. Every single generation an APU will be outperformed by 50+ watt dedicated GPUs with their own dedicated VRAM busses and TDPs.

This surprises no one.
And what about Strix Halo? 40CU's and APU is designed for 90W IIRC. Should get to 3050 mobile levels.
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