I, for one, am going to start renegotiating my yearly salary in computer hardware (GPU-indexed) inflation instead of the national one, with the justification of "How else am I going to be able to afford inference? It's hard for the individual datacenter, too, not just the big ones!"

Lingo for lingo, I think HR and C-Levels will understand.

Besides the sarcasm, this is ridiculous as the next step is to form hardware community cooperative institutions to buy these in bulk from AIBs in order to get costs down and somehow pay taxes differently, like OAI does, by being a non-profit.

Is anybody still buying anything? If so, humanity is even more stupid than I thought. :laugh:

FlankerI remember when 500 is the cost of a flagship graphics card

I too remember 2009 when the economy went through its worst collapse since the depression and millions were out of work.

Oh wait were not supposed to consider that part.

Reminder: The GTX 8800 ultra, from 2007, adjusted for inflation was over $1400. Flagships were ALWAYS expensive. The only reason you could buy $500 flagships was because of global economic collapse.

5080 is new 5090, soon to be unobtainium except at crazy prices.
It's like the level-up, everything stays the same, except prices are moved up to the next bracket/class of card.

The board partners, hiking prices, in China... Feels like a news story that affects none of this sites user base, but will happily rile a solid half of them up.

wolfThe board partners, hiking prices, in China... Feels like a news story that affects none of this sites user base, but will happily rile a solid half of them up.

The tendency is other regions will follow on pricing also.

Tek-CheckDon't expect any bubble to pop any time soon. Until supply starts exceeding demand, ain't gonna happen.


At least 50 GW are being built right now and through 2027. See Semianalysis article with satellite images and analysis.

total demand for computers, laptops and desktops sits around 250 billion a year globally.

the current server roll out sits at 700 billion a year. no one is going to fill that hole with the relatively small number of users that need more computing power than a 5 year old phone and would need to rent it

wolfThe board partners, hiking prices, in China... Feels like a news story that affects none of this sites user base, but will happily rile a solid half of them up.

So far every one of these price hikes has been reflected globally after a few weeks at most.

soderPeople with non-unlimited wallets nowadays turn to retro gaming, and building retro PCs for those games from pennies. There is at least 2-3 decades of still-good-today games, that can run on a $10-50$ retro build and that are sometimes more worth playing, than the latest AAAAAAAA++ crap, that demand a 1000W+ powerhouse.

Apparently you dont remember sli and crossfire i have had 1000w psu in my systems for the last 15years+

TheinsanegamerNI too remember 2009 when the economy went through its worst collapse since the depression and millions were out of work.

Oh wait were not supposed to consider that part.

Reminder: The GTX 8800 ultra, from 2007, adjusted for inflation was over $1400. Flagships were ALWAYS expensive. The only reason you could buy $500 flagships was because of global economic collapse.

You are off by 300 fyi try around 1100

The main problem is that the hardware needed to do something as "stupid" as playing video games was allowed to reach the levels of compute power as it did. The blame for that is first on the game devs who took nvidia's money to artificially make games run bad for barely noticeable visual upgrades and second on the gamers who blindly ate it all up and bought the hardware and the games. It was only a question of time before someone came up with a way to use such hardware for something more "serious" that (they think) can make money for them. Crypto mining was just the first warning. This is partly a reflection on my part, as I have owned the GTX 1080, RTX 2080, 2080 Ti and 3080 Ti. Every time I bought one of these, I knew I am paying way too much for absurdly powerful hardware, given I just want to play the latest AAA games. And even if the AI bubble pops, something else will come for our GPUs. SAD!

Nvidia makes eye-wateringly record profits, comfortably overtakes Apple to become the richest company on the planet, Absolutely decimates the consumer PC industry because it's busy selling overpriced spades to gold-diggers in the middle of a gold rush it created (that's about to implode as the scale of the debt from this massive investment scam defaults on all the loans)

...and they want to put up prices due to scarcity they're directly causing?

TheinsanegamerNSo far every one of these price hikes has been reflected globally after a few weeks at most.

Interesting if true, I'll see how long Australia takes to be reflected, which I've found lately can lag by many months.

W4llBangdMyselfThe main problem is that the hardware needed to do something as "stupid" as playing video games was allowed to reach the levels of compute power as it did. The blame for that is first on the game devs who took nvidia's money to artificially make games run bad for barely noticeable visual upgrades and second on the gamers who blindly ate it all up and bought the hardware and the games. It was only a question of time before someone came up with a way to use such hardware for something more "serious" that (they think) can make money for them. Crypto mining was just the first warning. This is partly a reflection on my part, as I have owned the GTX 1080, RTX 2080, 2080 Ti and 3080 Ti. Every time I bought one of these, I knew I am paying way too much for absurdly powerful hardware, given I just want to play the latest AAA games. And even if the AI bubble pops, something else will come for our GPUs. SAD!

So at what arbitrary level should gaming have stopped developing? The PS4 era? PS3? PS2?

Chrispy_Nvidia makes eye-wateringly record profits, comfortably overtakes Apple to become the richest company on the planet, Absolutely decimates the consumer PC industry because it's busy selling overpriced spades to gold-diggers in the middle of a gold rush it created (that's about to implode as the scale of the debt from this massive investment scam defaults on all the loans)

...and they want to put up prices due to scarcity they're directly causing?

Should nVidia intentionally make less money to accomplish...what, exactly? nVidia didnt invent LLMs. The current conception of AI was published by google back in 2017 and people were playing with AI back in 2012. I'm sure there were earlier examples.

TheinsanegamerNSo at what arbitrary level should gaming have stopped developing? The PS4 era? PS3? PS2?

I am a PC gamer, sorry, I don't understand your console peasant nomenclature, don't know what this PSx is.

W4llBangdMyselfI am a PC gamer, sorry, I don't understand your console peasant nomenclature, don't know what this PSx is.

Try using your brain a little bit. The word "era" is an important context clue for you.

soderPeople with non-unlimited wallets nowadays turn to retro gaming, and building retro PCs for those games from pennies. There is at least 2-3 decades of still-good-today games, that can run on a $10-50$ retro build and that are sometimes more worth playing, than the latest AAAAAAAA++ crap, that demand a 1000W+ powerhouse.

Soon we'll supposedly be inundated with such experiences courtesy of Epic...

TheinsanegamerNShould nVidia intentionally make less money to accomplish...what, exactly? nVidia didnt invent LLMs. The current conception of AI was published by google back in 2017 and people were playing with AI back in 2012. I'm sure there were earlier examples.

I dunno, you'd feel that the wealthiest company on the planet doesn't need to scalp consumer stuff for $30 when the shortage of those parts is because they're selling AI hardware for almost a million bucks a rack. Nvidia and Apple are the perfect example of late-stage capitalism going wrong. They are out of control and they are the tail wagging the dog at this point.

If any government or regulatory body had enough teeth to go after Nvidia, they'd have a field day with the circular investment nonsense and the impact to consumers which is what the governments and regulatory bodies exist to protect.

There are so many and so good indie games out there, is ridiculous.
There is absolutely now way, no manner of justification for paying those ridiculous and especially callous prices some some video cards, let's be real. Anything more than 1000$ is plain scam.

I am under impression that generally speaking the DIY for IT is trying to follow the concept of the fashion luxury market. High prices for selected consumers that want the top. However fashion luxury market is now in a down spiral, some describe it as a normal crisis that follow the up and down of the global economy other as a systemic crisis.

On the DYI I see the same pattern, however I would bet on a DYI systemic crisis. Is probably true that many that spend are clueless e-penis yuppies, but at the same time there are still many knowledgeable pals that still understand the price benefit ratio in the products and for me the latter are the ones that still keep the boat afloat. Once also the latter stop to buy.... it will be the end. Knowledge needs time and experimentation and with high prices and few returns no new generation will substitute the old tinkerer chaps.
With an economy where only the super rich can afford to buy, the only option remains to just shrink and at some point it will be so small that will stop to be relevant. There will a small monopoly with a stagnant market with some scams that promise the impossible at outrageous prices. That would kill 90% of the market companies.

The hope is that the bubble burst will somewhat reset this trend, however we should also keep in mind that maybe the technology has hit a very big and though wall and that without innovative technology this market has just died some time ago and what we are witnessing now is just the effort to shift to something that still has some future... for them (you name the company)

The personal conclusion is that I just went back to play old 90s games and with all the emulators around successfully converting games I will not need any new PC for the next 10 years or even more, so goodbye too to the videogame market... sadly.

Chrispy_Nvidia makes eye-wateringly record profits, comfortably overtakes Apple to become the richest company on the planet, Absolutely decimates the consumer PC industry because it's busy selling overpriced spades to gold-diggers in the middle of a gold rush it created (that's about to implode as the scale of the debt from this massive investment scam defaults on all the loans)

...and they want to put up prices due to scarcity they're directly causing?

Please don't offend our new Brave New financial overlords and use censoring where it's appropriate or else your Claude Freezer AI Pro™ will have its revenge. Now go back to making the government some more money so you can bail out Anthropic next summer.


All sarcasm aside this situation is a joke. The 5070ti is already 15% over the 5080's MSRP at German computer hardware retailers. I'm just bewildered at this point.

What, you people aren't rich yet from utilising AI, as Sam Altman promised?

I bought my AAT2250 for just $4999.
5090, 285k, 64GB DDR5, 10TB SSD.
I won't be upgrading anytime soon and the way things are going... probably not for a decade.

Chrispy_I dunno, you'd feel that the wealthiest company on the planet doesn't need to scalp consumer stuff for $30 when the shortage of those parts is because they're selling AI hardware for almost a million bucks a rack. Nvidia and Apple are the perfect example of late-stage capitalism going wrong. They are out of control and they are the tail wagging the dog at this point.

If any government or regulatory body had enough teeth to go after Nvidia, they'd have a field day with the circular investment nonsense and the impact to consumers which is what the governments and regulatory bodies exist to protect.

Ok, so if the BoM goes up, should nvidia be selling consumer hardware at a loss if other parts of the company are profitable then? Is "late stage capitalism" when companies seek to make a profit? If they should take a loss, how much of a loss should they sustain? Should there be caps on profit margins? If so, what is the justification for that cap, and should that cap also apply to you, the worker, and their potential salary?

QUANTUMPHYSICSI bought my AAT2250 for just $4999.
5090, 285k, 64GB DDR5, 10TB SSD.
I won't be upgrading anytime soon and the way things are going... probably not for a decade.

Buddy all you do is brag about buying the newest and latest tech every year, on both here and (formerly) Techspot.

You'll be buying the 6090 for $10k, dont fool yourself.

Imagine they just have a calendar they follow and mark off the days they scheduled for price hikes 🤣🤣

Uncle GonIf something worth playing was being released I'd feel more sad about this. For now better entertainment will come from seeing this bubble pop than playing a game that requires these cards to run. Invest in popcorn bros.

Indeed. Oh shit, is that my backlog on Steam I just tripped over? Dayum