Thursday, June 19th 2008

NVIDIA Gently Intros GeForce 9800 GTX+

AMD today took a major point for the red team by positioning its brand new ATI Radeon HD 4850 cards between NVIDIA's GeForce 9 series and GTX 200 series cards. The all new HD 4850 cards beat NVIDIA's GeForce 9800 GTX while also maintaining the very reasonable MSRP of $199. Currently NVIDIA has no card that can compete in this category, but that's eventually going to change in mid-July, when the company will announce a new mid-range video card dubbed GeForce 9800 GTX+. The card will be idential to GeForce 9800 GTX from the outside, but from the "inside" it will use a smaller and more efficient 55 nanometer GPU with increased default clock/shader speeds: from 675MHz to 738MHz and from 1688MHz to 1836MHz respectively. Memory speeds for this card will be dropped slightly to 1GHz (1100MHz for GeForce 9800 GTX). Other than that the card is virtually the same as GeForce 9800 GTX, the three-way SLI support also remains untouched. NVIDIA expects to start offering GeForce 9800 GTX+ with a MSRP of $229. The company also plans to drop the price of the 65nm GeForce 9800 GTX to $199.

First card is Leadtek 9800GTX, second one is GeForce 9800 GTX+

Source: bit-tech.net
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137 Comments on NVIDIA Gently Intros GeForce 9800 GTX+

#1
magibeg
I'm thinking with effects turned on due to simply having a better core the 4850 will probably still hold an advantage over this.
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#3
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
I guess they are. This really makes no sense, but it shows they are a little scared of ATIs early numbers after the NDA was lifted. Its really a bit retarded but it works as alot of Nvidia owners are happy with it. Shrunk the core, increased shaders clock (still dont know why ATI doesnt do that) and lowered memory speeds. FTL Im afraid.
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#4
calvary1980
calvary1980 said:
the fabrication will be smaller which means you can fit more transistors on each chip, the temp will also be a little better. they already planned this for the 9800GT.

- Christine
it's not a rebadge. a rebadge is a 9600GSO.

- Christine
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#5
Megasty
If I was NV I wouldn't give a damn about these cards. Its fine for them to further sandbag the 9800GTX to make it more competitive PP-wise with the 4850. They have to wait until the 4870x2 comes out b4 doing anything else with the gt200. It will give them the chance to turn a good profit with the unknowing ppl who just step up to a GTX280 or 260. Its plain as day to what NV is doing but it will be in vain anyway in the longrun.
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#6
imperialreign
lemonadesoda said:
NICE COMEBACK from nVidia. And perfect timing
awesome smilie for these types of threads!

I motion that this smilie be added to our smilie arsenal here at TPU! :toast:




back OT - this is a smart move on nVidia's part, but even if these new cards are in the same ballpark for performance that the 4850 is, I forsee ATI dropping their price even lower as the 4870s are filling stock. With how the HD4000 series is stanced right now to really take it to nVidia's front door, ATI are going to be willing to go extreme in their tactics and marketing again.

Watch . . . the 4850 will drop in price from it's current $199 to about $160~ once these new nVidia cards roll out . . .
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#7
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
and to shove it NVs face ATi should release a 4855 and have it clocked 100mhz faster in mem/core :roll:
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#8
candle_86
yea AMD could but look how cheap you can get a G92 based card 99 AMR so that only speaks for how cheap a G92 really is. This could get very interesting indeed.
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#9
Lu(ky
Sounds like Nvidia has a MOLE working at ATI or something for them to know all of there info and ready for ATI new stuff.. And for me paying top dollar for a 9800GTX SSC and Nvidia holding back there better DRIVERS for it makes me a little angry. I feel like instead of them giving there customers 100% of product, they are holding back to compete with ATI. I will be waiting for the new 4870 X2 and Nvidia can kiss my AR$H with there high price cards...
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#10
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
You aren't going to find a full G92 for $99. You can find the 8800GS for under $80 AMR, but those are just cores that would have otherwise gone to waste, so it isn't costing nVidia anything to make them. The same goes for the 8800GT, for the most part.

Lu(ky said:
Sounds like Nvidia has a MOLE working at ATI or something for them to know all of there info and ready for ATI new stuff.. And for me paying top dollar for a 9800GTX SSC and Nvidia holding back there better DRIVERS for it makes me a little angry. I feel like instead of them giving there customers 100% of product, they are holding back to compete with ATI. I will be waiting for the new 4870 X2 and Nvidia can kiss my AR$H with there high price cards...
I don't know where you are coming from here. Drivers are drivers, they get released when they are ready. I wouldn't call nVidia utterly dominating ATi over the past few years them "hold back".
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#11
Megasty
Lu(ky said:
Sounds like Nvidia has a MOLE working at ATI or something for them to know all of there info and ready for ATI new stuff.. And for me paying top dollar for a 9800GTX SSC and Nvidia holding back there better DRIVERS for it makes me a little angry. I feel like instead of them giving there customers 100% of product, they are holding back to compete with ATI. I will be waiting for the new 4870 X2 and Nvidia can kiss my AR$H with there high price cards...
That's a lot of people's opinion on sandbagging. The only cure for it is for it to backfire in their faces. I've been waiting for that for 2 yrs now. I want the good old days of close competition back now. GW NV, now your best single G92 can hardly keep up with ATi's mid-range card :respect:
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#12
AsRock
TPU addict
Lu(ky said:
Nvidia can kiss my AR$H with there high price cards...
ATI all the way for me. Not because i am a AMD fan but with out them you be paying out ya a$$ for every video card you bought.
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#13
newconroer
WarEagleAU said:
I guess they are. This really makes no sense, but it shows they are a little scared of ATIs early numbers after the NDA was lifted. Its really a bit retarded but it works as alot of Nvidia owners are happy with it. Shrunk the core, increased shaders clock (still dont know why ATI doesnt do that) and lowered memory speeds. FTL Im afraid.
So by putting something else into their product catalogue, which costs them very little in both resources and economics, it's somehow a direct result of them being scared?

???

Nvidia :

280
260
GX2
9800
8800 GTS 512
8800 GT
8800 Ultra
8800 GTX
8800 GTS 640

Every card on that list can play pretty much any game, at nearly any resolution (with exception to Crysis), and still be above a 'tolerable' level. Yes there are exception, but on a whole they are all powerful cards.(I didn't even mention the later model 8600 and 9600 mid-range, which are peppy in their own right)


ATi:

4850
3870 X2
3870
3850


The most recent and most powerful to date by ATi. Where their current top card (minus and unknown status of the 4870, yet to be seen). Is faster than two of the cards in Nvidia's top end lineup of the last two years(8800 640 GTS and 8800 GT - the rest are too marginal to make claims over).

That alone should speak volumes.


It doesn't really matter who you 'side' for, these are the products on the market, and even if ATi's dual GPU solution 4870X2 puts down the 280, who cares. A) The frames we'd be looking it would be way more than needed for any game, it would be as pointless to purchase an X2, as people said about the GX2. B) Nvidia will still hold all the cards, and while ATi struggles to out do themselves in the future, Nvidia sits comfortably bidding their time.
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#14
johnnyfiive
NVidia should change there name to " NVninja ".
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#15
Lu(ky
I don't know where you are coming from here. Drivers are drivers, they get released when they are ready. I wouldn't call nVidia utterly dominating ATi over the past few years them "hold back".
I was referring to the 9800GTX driver Nvidia was holding back to compete with ATI. And for me to have this card for the last 2 months and not have the best current Driver for it because Nvidia wants to hold out tell the see the results of ATI new cards is just BS in my book. Here is my S O U R C E Bottom line I am tired of Nvidia's high prices, and the games they are playing with my money. ATI here I come..
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#16
Megasty
newconroer said:
So by putting something else into their product catalogue, which costs them very little in both resources and economics, it's somehow a direct result of them being scared?

???
No, its not them being scared. Its NV coming back down to earth. When the 9800GTX came out, its only competition was the 3870x2 & 50x2 so they priced it accordingly. The same has just occurred for the 4850. NV lowering prices is ALWAYS a good thing but it only goes to show you how ridiculous their prices are to start. This will continue until NV & ATi are on equal ground again w/o them greatly passing each other. The only problem with this is that AMD refuses to charge a bagillion bucks for a card. We all know what gonna happen when the 4870x2 comes out. I don't know anyone who will get a GTX280 now when they'll be able to get it for $500 or less in a few months :rolleyes:
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#17
1c3d0g
Daaamn...oh man, the pricing of this new part makes me SERIOUSLY consider buying one. If only some third-party manufacturer (EVGA, XFX etc.) would bring out a better cooler, I'd probably upgrade instantly. :cool:
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#18
imperialreign
Megasty said:
No, its not them being scared. Its NV coming back down to earth. When the 9800GTX came out, its only competition was the 3870x2 & 50x2 so they priced it accordingly. The same has just occurred for the 4850. NV lowering prices is ALWAYS a good thing but it only goes to show you how ridiculous their prices are to start. This will continue until NV & ATi are on equal ground again w/o them greatly passing each other. The only problem with this is that AMD refuses to charge a bagillion bucks for a card. We all know what gonna happen when the 4870x2 comes out. I don't know anyone who will get a GTX280 now when they'll be able to get it for $500 or less in a few months :rolleyes:
I agree - and, TBH, I think nVidia's high pricing is going to rend their ass with these releases . . .


my reasoning being is that ATI have only just released their mid-range card for the series, 4870 and 4870x2 are still later down the road. Considering how well the 4850 is performing so far, and it's current price, they'll sell better than what nVidia is currently offering.

So, nVidia has to remarket and lower their price to compete; fine and dandy, but what does ATI tend to do once they release their upper-end model? Lower the price of their mid-range even further, meaning that the ball will stay in ATIs favor, as now their mid-range will still be far below nVidia's competing price, and the 4870s will be priced well, (hopefully) perform better than what nVidia currently has out, and they'll be selling like hotcakes.

nVidia will counter again with another price drop and new hardware, and then we'll see the 4870x2 roll out, ATI lower the prices on their other models on shelf, and the ball is still in ATI's court . . . and a few months after that, I'm sure ATI will further lower the price of the 70x2.



We're seeing hardball here like we haven't seen between the companies in a few years.
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#19
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
so will SLi be incompatible because of G92 and G92b? i believe its only like cores that SLi together.......

any opinions on what i should do being an 9800GTX owner?
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#20
Weer
ShinyG said:
This card proves that the 4850 hit the spot! We now have competiton again, my friends :) Direct competition: price AND performance! Wohooo!
The fact that AMD can only rival nVidia at the budget realm, has already been proven.

If AMD wants to get it's resources, honor and title back.. they will have to do a lot better than what they are currently capable of.

No one using anything but a Scalar architecture can hold the performance crown. That has been proven. The price/performance crown should not interest us nearly as much. I'm sure the.. what is it now X4K series(?).. has cost AMD much money to make than they will counter by selling it at the mere 200$ price-point. But it's their fault - the card is no better than the G92.
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#21
X-TeNDeR
Fanboism aside - it seems that AMD is rolling the better products for the costumers - fighting hard to place their gear on the shelves for as little $$ as possible. On the other side, NVidia is rolling a really big and powerful card - the GTX260/280, but the sticker says "get a second job" - now thats not the kind of attitude that I, as a costumer, want to see. make a decent card, that doesn't cost a leg to make - and sell in masses. competition is good, sales are good, and everyone is happy.

Lets not forget that in a few months, these "high rollers" will be replaced with, perhaps, other high rollers. this is a big waste of money imo.

RAM prices are dirt low, and CPU's nearly as low.. why can't both GFX companies take the price-performance route too?
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#22
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
wolf said:
so will SLi be incompatible because of G92 and G92b? i believe its only like cores that SLi together.......

any opinions on what i should do being an 9800GTX owner?
Keep it, it's faster in some areas and slower in others. Plus the new driver should speed things up//
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#23
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Lu(ky said:
I was referring to the 9800GTX driver Nvidia was holding back to compete with ATI. And for me to have this card for the last 2 months and not have the best current Driver for it because Nvidia wants to hold out tell the see the results of ATI new cards is just BS in my book. Here is my S O U R C E Bottom line I am tired of Nvidia's high prices, and the games they are playing with my money. ATI here I come..
Yes, you can assume that it is a big consirousy by nVidia to sandbag. Or they have just worked on their drivers, an area that the enthusiust market has been complaining about for years, and improved them to meet demand. Which sound more logical to you?:banghead:

Oh and basing any argument on Fud kills your argument before you even started it. 75% of the stuff posted on Fudzilla is complete BS.

And as for the high prices and you being tired of them, nVidia has beat ATi price to performance for a long time now. They have higher priced cards, but they destroyed ATi's offerings. Until the 4850's laung ATi didn't have a single card worth considering, for every ATi card there was an nVidia card that gave a better price to performance in the same price range.(with the exception of maybe the 3870x2, but that is only because nVidia didn't have a card in that price point) So I would really like you to back up your overpriced comment with some history proving that you have a reason to be "tired" of it. If you don't want to pay high priced, buy a lower end card. Just because they have a $600 card, that doesn't mean you have to buy it.
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#24
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
newtekie1 said:
Yes, you can assume that it is a big consirousy by nVidia to sandbag. Or they have just worked on their drivers, an area that the enthusiust market has been complaining about for years, and improved them to meet demand. Which sound more logical to you?:banghead:
There was a performance increase was in the 8.6 drivers as well. Is AMD holding back too?
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#25
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
DaMulta said:
There was a performance increase was in the 8.6 drivers as well. Is AMD holding back too?
Exactly, the whole point of releasing new drivers is they are improvements over the old drivers.:toast:
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