Tuesday, November 18th 2008

AMD Pits Dragon Against Spider, Expects Significant Performance Gains

"Spider" is the codename for a high-end desktop platform by AMD, which came to light late last year. It consisted of an AMD Phenom series processor, an AMD 790FX-based motherboard, and Radeon HD 3800-series graphics card(s). AMD would be offering a new high-end gaming platform based on its products, called "Dragon". It consists of a Phenom II processor, running on an AMD 790-series motherboard, and Radeon HD 4800-series graphics card(s). Expreview sourced a company-confidential side which illustrates the company's expectations from the platform, in terms of performance increments over its predecessor.

With office and productivity applications, AMD slates a 20~40% performance increment. The trend stays with multimedia applications. The gaming performance is where the money lies, with increments up to 280%. Again, take into account that the Dragon testbed is using a Radeon HD 4800 accelerator. 20~40% seems a significant figure, nonetheless.

Source: Expreview
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46 Comments on AMD Pits Dragon Against Spider, Expects Significant Performance Gains

#1
btarunr
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Unfortunately, L1A64WS is shelved, or at least awaiting Phenom FX launch. Phenom (II) FX is just binned Agena/Deneb parts in a s1204 package with DSDC support and unlocked multipliers.
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#2
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
KBD said:
damulta, do you think 4x2 cards will be bottlenecked by the Phenom, even if its 2 Phenoms?
I don't know, and it depends on how the buss system would work with 8 GPUs and 8 Cores. Maybe AMD has a driver that talks to each core separately....That would be cool.....I'm just throwing ideas out.


CPU are bottlenecks to ram themselves.

When they invest 40% into making it faster, they only get 20% back because there has been this game between CPU Speed and Memory speed growing for years.



AMD did it before, they just came out and BAM. I think they could do it again, and I have kept faith in them doing so. I really think they have been drilling out there idea, and their idea is the right path. It's just taking some time to get there.



IDK I have always expected AMD to just slam out a Dual CPU board. That's how the 3870 was given to us, just slam here it is.

They wanted to hide all the facts from Nvidia, and AMD I'm sure is hiding all their little facts as hard as they can from Intel.
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#3
KBD
DaMulta said:


They wanted to hide all the facts from Nvidia, and AMD I'm sure is hiding all their little facts as hard as they can from Intel.
I have faith in AMD also, they have always been about innovation, their financial situation is most liklely the cause of the lack of progress at the moment and i also think that they may be working on something big but keeping hush hush about it. And just releasing roadmaps that dont tell the whole story.
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#4
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
The 790 can be sooo much more than it is.....
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#5
KBD
DaMulta said:
The 790 can be sooo much more than it is.....
meaning what?

I'm actually surprised that 800-series chipsets are not out for to the Dragon platform
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#7
KBD
DaMulta said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_700_chipset_series
i see, i beleive you are referring to its ability to support 2 physical CPU sockets, if thats the case why arent they out, only nvidia chipset has dual socket for AMD.

on a side note, in that article it sez that the chipset is capable of running at 420mhz HT frequency with an FX 62. I'm very surpirised to hear that, FX-62 are very poor overclockers, i'm actually about to sell mine and moving to intel for that very reason.
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#9
tigger
I'm the only one
You can certainly see were were the benefit of changing from 38xx to 48xx gpus shows.
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#10
KBD
DaMulta said:
Maybe they backed off the idea when they made slow chips. Wait for a day when it matters to release it.

Would be a cool release day.

New 790FX
Dual CPU sockets
DDR3
A cpu that will run 4ghz on air.
Letting you use up to 8 cores x 8 GPU CFx
Shrink the 790FX down to 40 from 65.
http://www.eetimes.com/rss/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212100139&cid=RSSfeed_eetimes_newsRSS
yea, most definately, may be they will when AM3 comes out next year. Though i'm sceptical that it will be capable of 4Ghz on air, right now its only possible on LN2.
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#11
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
Its what people have been screaming for a year lol
4Ghz
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#13
HTC
TheMailMan78 said:
First Spider now Dragon?


Lol :roll:
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#14
KBD
DaMulta said:
Its what people have been screaming for a year lol
4Ghz
i really hope u r right. but i remain sceptical until i see some reviews & benchies
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#15
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
The Dragon
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#16
Exavier
BUT wait you can't run four 4870X2s..they only have one CF 'finger' each...or am I missing something??
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#17
DonInKansas
ShadowFold said:
3dmark(which isn't a game lol)
You obviously don't know fit or the rest of the bench-crazies very well.:roll:
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#18
Polarman
I'm still waiting for real benchies, not nice little graphs.
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#19
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
Exavier said:
BUT wait you can't run four 4870X2s..they only have one CF 'finger' each...or am I missing something??
You can run CF on the buss SMOOTH on the AMD chipset.

Remember when I ran x1950XTX and X1950XTX together and only lost about 100 points in 3dmark without having a master card:)

Now soft crossfire sucks on all other chipsets......BUT the AMD ones.


This is from the 06 thread
42 DaMulta Connect3D / MSI X1950XTX XFire 675/999 10380 A64 FX-62 @ 3012Mhz - 200.8FSB

Now my CF 2900 score is only a couple thousand points higher using AMD chips.....

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=38667&highlight=x1950XTX

Haven't seen this thread in ages....
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#20
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
increments up to 280%

is just madness
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