Thursday, April 16th 2009

Phenom II X4 955 Inches Toward April 20 Launch

AMD is attempting to set its record straight with the Phenom II series of 45 nm desktop processors. The company had started off its Dragon desktop platform with the introduction of its flagship CPU, the Phenom II X4 940. This processor however, is not compliant with the AM3 socket, and will not support DDR3 memory, unless an AM3 socket motherboard can provide DDR2 memory support. Come April 20, and AMD will have released its newest processor: Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition. Based on the 45 nm Deneb core, this processor supports AM3 socket motherboards, and DDR3 memory. It features a core clock speed of 3.20 GHz (16.0 x 200 MHz), 512 KB of L2 cache per core, and 6 MB of L3 cache. It is overclocker-friendly thanks to its unlocked bus multiplier, and the "massive headroom" AMD has been brandishing lately.

One of our sources from Hong Kong was able to make an early-purchase this processor in its retail "processor in a box" (PIB) package (marked with the OPN HDZ955FBGIBOX), from the Golden Computer Parts Center, who took a few snaps of the package. It could be bought for around HKD 2170 (US $280).
This tells us a bit about what its global pricing and market placement could look like. A conservative estimate would put this processor at the US $250~275 range. This, bundled with its low platform costs, and the ability to run on existing AM2+ and new AM3 motherboards, could make this processor a competitive alternative to some of the higher Intel Core 2 Quad-based platforms.

On the motherboards front, both AMD and NVIDIA have AM3-DDR3 certified platforms ready. AMD has DDR3 motherboards based on most of its 7-series chipsets, while NVIDIA is providing nForce 750a SLI and the new nForce 980a SLI. Motherboard vendors are looking to keep target prices of their high-end motherboards under the $250 mark, as DDR3 memory has already seen a downslide in prices in the recent times. Phenom II X4 955 might be accompanied by Phenom II X4 945, though we are not sure if this carries the Black Edition branding, thus being a possible successor to the Phenom II X4 920. April 20 is the day to wait for, if you are in the market for a new machine, or simply looking to upgrade.
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96 Comments on Phenom II X4 955 Inches Toward April 20 Launch

#1
chaotic_uk
shoot why did i buy the 720BE , i should have waited lol
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#2
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
Jesus kills a kitten everytime someone builds a monster rig & says its only for benchmarking.

I have nothing against benchmarks - it provides a platform for us to build & compare our systems against.

but throwing so much money on a on farrari then only using it to drive to the local newsagents for the morning papers & back is a bit retarded.
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#3
johnnyfiive
TheMailMan78 said:
Ya know not gaming with such an awesome CPU is like DD tits on a nun. A waste.
hahaa, so true!
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#4
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
FreedomEclipse said:
but throwing so much money on a on farrari then only using it to drive to the local newsagents for the morning papers & back is a bit retarded.
There do exist people who buy the Lamboghinis, the Porsches, and other exotics for sole purpose of racing. Same with some people who build PCs with $1000 CPUs, two to three $500 video cards, etc. benchmarking == racing.
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#5
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
& sorry for tripple post - I think TPU just got torpedoed :D
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#6
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
Freedom triple post, lol.


r9 said:
It is understandable that AM3 cpu is 3.2GHz and not 3.0 because it will be to obvious how little ddr3 bring compared to ddr2.
It's not that DDR3 is no gain on the AMD platform, it's that when it's running in Dual Channel it's not much of a gain. If they bumped up to Triple Channel it would make the upgrade worth it, or Quad Channel :O

btarunr said:
There do exist people who buy the Lamboghinis, the Porsches, and other exotics for sole purpose of racing. Same with some people who build PCs with $1000 CPUs, two to three $500 video cards, etc. benchmarking == racing.
That is completely different. Mostly because car parts don't rotate to uselessness in a span of 5 years. And because cars accumulate miles and since their usefullness is dependant on their mileage (more parts break the more mileage) especially when they are beat on for only racing. Keeping the mileage down is the best bet. Also the fact that gaming is the real benchmark, gaming isn't easy on comps if you have the settings all the way up where as daily driving is easy on a sports car and a waste since you'd be gettign worse gas mileage, busting your ass from racing suspension, have no backseat, and no storage space.
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#7
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
There will be more gain from DDR3 on AMD because the memory controller is on the CPU

UNLIKE 775 INTEL CPU which is on the board. DDR2 was the same almost because of that issue.
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#8
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
1Kurgan1 said:
That is completely different. Mostly because car parts don't rotate to uselessness in a span of 5 years. And because cars accumulate miles and since their usefullness is dependant on their mileage (more parts break the more mileage) especially when they are beat on for only racing. Keeping the mileage down is the best bet. Also the fact that gaming is the real benchmark, gaming isn't easy on comps if you have the settings all the way up where as daily driving is easy on a sports car and a waste since you'd be gettign worse gas mileage, busting your ass from racing suspension, have no backseat, and no storage space.
The concept is the same, though technically different. Computers are becoming faster/better quicker than cars are.
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#9
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
Not that comps are becoming faster, more like programs are becoming more stressful. Only way to compare that to cars would be to say the wind picks up by xx mph each year which would require the cars to make more power each year to keep the same speed.

1000hp in 1970 is the same as 1000hp now if you keep the same gear ratios and tires (for traction) and same aerodynamics. Comps will never be like that.
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#10
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
1Kurgan1 said:
Not that comps are becoming faster, more like programs are becoming more stressful. Only way to compare that to cars would be to say the wind picks up by xx mph each year which would require the cars to make more power each year to keep the same speed.
And yet we use the ancient SuperPi to bench CPUs. Benchmarking is about staying ahead. The rate at which software keeps up (in terms of utilizing the higher computational power for more features / better UI) with advancements in hardware becomes abstract/irrelevant.
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#11
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
k|ngp|n said:
Thanx to AMD, ASUS, and CORSAIR for the great hardware and a really great time. AMD has come such a long way considering how bad the cold bug was the last time I benched FX-62. I'm really impressed as this rig has no cold bug at all!
Spent about a week or so clocking the holy hell out of this rig :D
Anyways, here are some nice results...AMD is back in the 3D arena :up:

AMD Phenom II AM3 - F1 Extreme LN2 Cooled
ASUS M4A79T Deluxe
ASUS 4870 X-fire
CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT's

3DMARK 2006


2K6 X-fire rig


3DMARK 2005


AMD SUPERPI 1M


AMD PIFAST


AMD CPUZ @6682mhz


VERIFICATION

Just started playing with NV on XP trying to see how high I can get the cpu score..almost 9600 on AMD not bad! 32K+ stock clocks GTX295


Who can guess what this pic is all about?? Don't try this at home kids :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3745389

This to me is Art and fun, and not everyone can do it. Only certain few can benchmark like above. k|ngp|n is my idol and I love to do what he does(along with a LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. Am I as good as him HELL NO, will I ever be WHO KNOWS more than likely no.

The point is you have fun gaming, and I have fun running 3dmark pushing a system to it's breaking point and hitting a high score that I have never hit before.

Don't you have scores in games you play? Same difference.....kinda.
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#12
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
btarunr said:
And yet we use the ancient SuperPi to bench CPUs. Benchmarking is about staying ahead. The rate at which software keeps up (in terms of utilizing the higher computational power for more features / better UI) with advancements in hardware becomes abstract/irrelevant.
But that brings us back to that you still need the hardware advance. Since they make the hardware to keep up with the games and you use old benches the new hardware will still rock the old hardware. Just like if wind did pick up speed each year they would make cars more powerful until they simply could not anymore. Which is just what makes it diff.
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#13
Polarman
Hoping to see a 940/945 comparison. See how AM2+ compares to AM3.
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#14
Marineborn
ah yes, i shall build my am3 system when this comes out with quad 4890's and 8 gigs of ram. should run fairly decent
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#15
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
It's not that benching isn't fun, I love setting my new scores. But the question is, what to do with freetime. When I come home from work or school I'm lazy, sit down on the comp and game some. Couldn't sit down and run the same benchmark I been running everyday for weeks.

But I'm the same kinda guy (since cars have been mentioned) when I build my bitching Corvette that putting down way more than necissary power, I will be street driving that thing. Just to scare people.
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#16
ZoneDymo
Guys help me out here.

Current setup

E6750 @ 3,5 (could go higher if not for my ram)
2gb ram PC6400
8800GTS G92
MSI P35 platinum

I want more speed, for GTA4 and GTA4 vid editor rendering.

Should I:

A. get a 4gb kit and with it OC my processor to 4 Ghz?
B. get a 4gb kit and spend money on a Q9550s?
C. leave it as it is and get an i7 rig later?
D. go AMD with a new motherboard and ram and processor later?

Problem is future proofing.
Right now I have a mobo with PCI-E 1.0 and for future GPU's I need PCI-E 2.0.
That is why upgrading to a Q9550s + 4gb might be stupid.
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#17
HTC
DaMulta said:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3745389

This to me is Art and fun, and not everyone can do it. Only certain few can benchmark like above. k|ngp|n is my idol and I love to do what he does(along with a LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. Am I as good as him HELL NO, will I ever be WHO KNOWS more than likely no.

The point is you have fun gaming, and I have fun running 3dmark pushing a system to it's breaking point and hitting a high score that I have never hit before.

Don't you have scores in games you play? Same difference.....kinda.
Are there any Everest memory benches to go along with these?

Also, and unrelated, according to the CPUID's Hall of Fame, there's already a 955 in the second place, just 16 MHz short of first place.
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#18
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
ZoneDymo said:
Guys help me out here.

Current setup

E6750 @ 3,5 (could go higher if not for my ram)
2gb ram PC6400
8800GTS G92
MSI P35 platinum

I want more speed, for GTA4 and GTA4 vid editor rendering.

Should I:

A. get a 4gb kit and with it OC my processor to 4 Ghz?
B. get a 4gb kit and spend money on a Q9550s?
C. leave it as it is and get an i7 rig later?
D. go AMD with a new motherboard and ram and processor later?

Problem is future proofing.
Right now I have a mobo with PCI-E 1.0 and for future GPU's I need PCI-E 2.0.
That is why upgrading to a Q9550s + 4gb might be stupid.
first off - the P35 series boards are terrible overclockers. get a new P45 mobo & try your hand at overclocking again but it think your already maxing out that CPU,

good luck though
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#19
Darren
ZoneDymo said:
Guys help me out here.

Current setup

E6750 @ 3,5 (could go higher if not for my ram)
2gb ram PC6400
8800GTS G92
MSI P35 platinum

I want more speed, for GTA4 and GTA4 vid editor rendering.

Should I:

A. get a 4gb kit and with it OC my processor to 4 Ghz?
B. get a 4gb kit and spend money on a Q9550s?
C. leave it as it is and get an i7 rig later?
D. go AMD with a new motherboard and ram and processor later?

Problem is future proofing.
Right now I have a mobo with PCI-E 1.0 and for future GPU's I need PCI-E 2.0.
That is why upgrading to a Q9550s + 4gb might be stupid.
It is very difficult to get 4 GHz on a E6750 conroe, only the Wolfdales can reach 4 GHz without breaking a sweat.

Your motherboard isn't great for overclocking either so don't hold your breath.

Your best bet is to upgrade to 4 GB or 8 GB of ram total and stick in a Q9950. i7 is a huge waste of money if you've got a suitable socket 775 motherboard already. The performance difference between the Q9950 and i7 920 doesn't warrant the expensive DDR3 cost, new motherboard cost in addition to the i7 processor.
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#20
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
The DDR3 isnt the expensive cost anymore. Its a bit more than DDR 2, but not muc. It's just the x58 mobos are still bone crushing.
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#21
erocker
Senior Moderator
FreedomEclipse said:
first off - the P35 series boards are terrible overclockers.
Completely untrue! DFI DK P35 is one of the best overclocking boards I've owned. It would take my Q6600 to 4ghz easier than my Rampage Formula.

Anyways, this is completely off topic.
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#22
Darren
1Kurgan1 said:
The DDR3 isnt the expensive cost anymore. Its a bit more than DDR 2, but not muc. It's just the x58 mobos are still bone crushing.
Regardless of wether you think DDR3 isn't expensive (in the UK they are supidly expensive) when you add the motherboard and processor into the mix the overall build is becomes stupidly expensive.

When you've got a suitable Socket 775 motherboard just keep it and stick in a cheap quadcore and your fine to go, slight overclock and you've got the i7's performance too.

Edit:

erocker said:
Completely untrue! DFI DK P35 is one of the best overclocking boards I've owned. It would take my Q6600 to 4ghz easier than my Rampage Formula.

Anyways, this is completely off topic.
heh,

Lets not loose the important message, the bottom line 4 GHz will be hard to achieve with an E6750 conroe.

regardless of how uber his board is.
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#23
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
Darren said:
Regardless of wether you think DDR3 isn't expensive (in the UK they are supidly expensive) when you add the motherards and processor into the mix the overall build is becomes stupidly expensive.

When you've got a suitable Socket 775 motherboard just keep in stick in a cheap quadcore and your fine to go, slight overclock and you've got the i7's performance too.
I know the mobo is expensive said that, and so are the i7's just stating that DDR3 has come to a reasonable price finally.

I wouldn't go i7 either though, the 775 setup is fine if your dead set on Intel, only problem is 775 is a dead socket, there won't be anything more released for this. Or the PII's are a fantastic choice if you want to switch camps.
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#24
erocker
Senior Moderator
Darren said:
heh,

Lets not loose the important message, the bottom line 4 GHz will be hard to achieve with an E6750 conroe.

regardless of how uber his board is.
E6750? What does that have to do with Phenom II X4 955? You are right though. :)
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#25
Darren
Although socket 775 is dead if one goes straight for the highest end Q series such as the Q9950 even us enthusiasts will be ok for another 2 year.

Even the E6750 hasn't been maxed out yet

I'm perfectly happy with my 3800+ X2 @ 2.7 GHz as well and its not considered a competitive CPU at all.
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