Monday, September 20th 2010

Intel Wants $50 for Software Unlock of CPU Features

The Pentium G6951 dual-core LGA1156 processor may not have made any headlines when it was known to be almost identical to the Pentium G6950, until now. Intel designed the G6951 to support "hardware feature upgrades" by purchasing them and enabling them using a software, so users with this processor installed can upgrade their systems by enabling that are otherwise locked for the SKU. The $50 upgrade fetches support for HyperThreading Technology, enabling four threads on the processor; and unlocks the disabled 1 MB of the L3 cache (Clarkdale has 4 MB of L3 cache, of which 1 MB is disabled on the Pentium SKUs).

There isn't much value in buying a $99 Pentium G6951 and the $50 Upgrade Card upfront, but later down the line, companies can opt to mass-upgrade system performance without touching any of the hardware inside. The service works by the purchase of an upgrade key that the user has to feed into the software, which is then verified by Intel's activation server, following successful verification, the software unlocks the processor's features. This is a one-time process, portable between software reinstallations.
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160 Comments on Intel Wants $50 for Software Unlock of CPU Features

#101
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
pantherx12Man I don't get you at all, you always seem to favour defending a company.
Because I see their side, and am not just a greedy customer that wants something I didn't pay for, and if I don't get it I scream ripped off.
pantherx12What's not to get.

AMD. Disable a broken part of a piece of silicon/ charge you less due to that / has a chance to unlock for FREE
At this point, AMD is not disabling anything broken, they are disabling completely functional pieces of silicon just like Intel, and they are doing it to fill the lower markets that have higher demand.

AMD is not offering the ability to unlock for free, that is a motherboard manufacturer thing. AMD might be rolling with it since it is good marketting for them, but they certainly aren't offering that ability officially.
pantherx12Intel new scheme.

Processor has no flaws what so ever, didly squat!
Processors sell for cheap initially ( yet being able to sell them this way shows that they are in-fact making profit before adding extra, I.E the chip is already paid for, your getting what you pay for.
Intel charges for something that should already exist in the first place.


MASSIVE difference to what goes on else where.
This isn't a new scheme at all as I've already pointed out. The only part that is new here is that Intel is actually giving the ability to use the parts that are disabled if you want to pay for them. The alternative is the same old scheme that has been used for years, you didn't pay for it, so you don't get it.
pantherx12How you could even remotely misconstrue this as a good idea or similar to what goes on already and confuses me a great deal, got stocks in Intel or something?
How you could not see this as what has already been going on for years I don't understand.
pantherx12Only INTEL benefit from this, they are ALREADY making money from the initial sale, they are making MORE money for FREE ( I.E the upgrade costs them NOTHING)
I know, it is so unthinkable that a company would try to increase their profits. How horrible of them. Maybe one day unicef will get in the CPU making business.

Only benefits Intel? I don't think so. Look at it from the average consumer standpoint, not an enthusiast that knows how to change out their processor. How much is an average consumer going to spend to upgrade a processor in a computer? Well geek squad charges a minimum of $50 in labor, you might get a local shop to do it cheaper, but probably not a whole lot(my shop charges $35 or $55 if it is one of those really tiny computers that is a pain to take apart). Then there is the price of the processor, a new better one costing maybe another $100 or more and that is just to go about the same step up as the $50 upgrade would net you. Yes, you can try to resell the old processor, usually on ebay, but most average consumers again would not even know where to start with this. So how is Intel offering a $50 software upgrade that the average consumer can install themselves without voiding any warrantees only benefitting Intel?
pantherx12If you support this then you support intel charging you for nothing at all.
Intel is not charging you for the features that are disabled, that is why the processor is cheaper than the same processor with the features enabled. That is why the G6950 is $100 and the i3-530 is $120. Buying initially those features are with $20, if you don't want/need them, then you don't pay for them and save $20. If you decide you need them later, you pay to get them.

I fail to see how you see this as Intel charing for nothing, do you just not understand that these processors are cheaper for a reason?
pantherx12And silicon always has defects, 0% failure my ass, you can even see the difference in performance chip to chip ( over-clocking potential, heat out-put, voltage requirements)
Obviously Intel has perfected their manufacturing process to the point that they have enough silicon laying around that they can guarantee that these processor won't have defects.

Of course the alternative explanation is that they are taking these processor from the next higher bin, in which case you are already getting better silicon than what you paid for, and Intel is selling a $120 processor for $100 initially with an upgrade option if you choose.
pantherx12ow this is not an attack at you one bit, but you seem to completely miss the point here.



The extra $50 is for NOTHING :laugh:
No, you miss the point. The $50 is for features that you haven't paid for initially, yes they are there, but you haven't paid to use them, that is why the processor was so cheap to begine with.
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#102
pantherx12
Your still missing the point though they are still making massive profits on the 100$ initial costs, they are being gready. Not us, not me.

When a product costs a company absolutely shit all ( the upgrade) and they charge $50 for it that's called taking the piss where I'm from.


"Obviously Intel has perfected their manufacturing process to the point that they have enough silicon laying around that they can guarantee that these processor won't have defects."

Yeah, I'm just not going to reply actually.

We're not in the same world lol
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#103
newtekie1
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pantherx12Your still missing the point though they are still making massive profits on the 100$ initial costs, they are being gready. Not us, not me.

When a product costs a company absolutely shit all ( the upgrade) and they charge $50 for it that's called taking the piss where I'm from.
On a per piece basis, they probably make next to nothing on the initial $100 sale, of course they make up for that by selling a metric shit load of them.

Now, if they are taking a product that they could sell for $120, and selling it for $100, which is what they are doing, then they are losing $20 in profit per piece. Yes, in the end the product costs the consumer $30 more than just buying the higher processor initially, but that is the cost of being cheap in the beginning. And Intel is also taking a gamble that some people will not even use the upgrade, so for just as many times they make $30 more by someone taking the upgrade, they are probably loosing $20 by someone not(in fact probably more people will not than do).
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#104
pantherx12
Newtekie no offence but it seems you don't know about the manufacturing process or the business side of things, I don't mean to insult you at all but damn, if you think it costs intel even close to $100 for a single cpu then you are mistaken.
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#105
newtekie1
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pantherx12Newtekie no offence but it seems you don't know about the manufacturing process or the business side of things, I don't mean to insult you at all but damn, if you think it costs intel even close to $100 for a single cpu then you are mistaken.
And you understand that there is more cost than just the materials right? There are research costs to develope the core design, labor costs to manufacture and test/bin the silicon, cust to produce and maintain manufacturing facilities, marketting costs for advertising.

Then of course there is the fact that $100 is the retail price, that has the resellers profit added in also. When you buy a $100 G6950 from Newegg, do you think Intel gets all of that $100?

I think you are the one that doesn't understand the manufacturing or business side.:ohwell:

I'm not saying Intel doesn't make a sizable profit off the silicon alone, but their overall profit on a $100 processor is probably under $10 at the end of the day when all costs are considered, and it would be $30 if they sold that processor at $120 like they could have.
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#106
pantherx12
newtekie1And you understand that there is more cost than just the materials right?
Yes, for I have not been shot through the head recently.


Believe what you want man, I'm done :laugh:
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#107
theonedub
habe fidem
Im 100% with Newtekie on this, you people who think you are being ripped off amaze me with your thought process.
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#108
Solaris17
Super Dainty Moderator
you know with all aside im still stuck on how they figured an extra 300mhz and 128kb of L2 was worth $50 i didnt know you could put a price on that. were did they pull that equation from? Maybe im just retarded.
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#109
DaedalusHelios
Solaris17you know with all aside im still stuck on how they figured an extra 300mhz and 128kb of L2 was worth $50 i didnt know you could put a price on that. were did they pull that equation from? Maybe im just retarded.
They looked at Best Buy customers and realized a market filled with people that believed they were getting a good deal just because the place is called Best Buy. A fool and his money will soon part.
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#110
theonedub
habe fidem
This is like the AMD Sempron 140 vs the Athlon II 240. Identical silicon, just disabled some parts to have an option in the entry level market segment.

Had AMD successfully squashed ACC/Unlocking or MB manufacturers never added the feature to their motherboards would everyone be up in arms over buying their disabled Semprons? The fact is you paid $35 bucks for your Sempron and not $70 for the fully enabled silicon as in the 240. The argument that you aren't getting what you paid for is complete stupidity.
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#111
newtekie1
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Solaris17you know with all aside im still stuck on how they figured an extra 300mhz and 128kb of L2 was worth $50 i didnt know you could put a price on that. were did they pull that equation from? Maybe im just retarded.
How does it perform compared to the competition, how much can they successfully charge for it.

Look at the X4 955 and 965. Why does one higher multiplier, yielding 200MHz more clock speed, equate to $15 when the multipliers are unlocked already? Look at the i7 950 and 970. Why does 140MHz equate to $270?

That is just how the industry works.
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#112
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
jsut read this last page too, gotta say I'm with newtekie on this one.
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#113
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
I just spend alot of time thinking about this and I was about to post and see that newtekie already said it. ^^
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#114
AphexDreamer
LOL WHAT! Greedy Customers! This is nothing but Greed on Intel's side.
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#115
Black Hades
@ newtekie1 & theonedub

[trolling]

Maybe in the US of A this business model flies occasionaly but here in
"socialist Europe" we like to get some extra toil if you want more money:laugh:
How is this mentality not healthy?

[/trolling]

What you're supporting is quite possibly against the very principles of productivity, next thing you'll say that pyramid and Ponzo schemes are perfectly ok as well.

As a graduate of economical and political sciences I'm offended by strategies that work against the very grain of progress.
R&D, marketing and bureaucracy (in a healthy business environment) always go hand in hand, each of them nurturing and keeping the other two in balance. When one is out of sync it's mostly in the detriment of the consumer, producer or both.

I presume Intel know this very very well and I respect them for trying this (not many corporations can afford this luxury) but it really is in our hands as much as it is in theirs.
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#116
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
Black HadesWhat you're supporting is quite possibly against the very principles of productivity, next thing you'll say that pyramid and Ponzo schemes are perfectly ok as well.
Everyone is already pretty much doing it (without a way to enable the disabled stuff) and the entire industry seems to do pretty good.
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#117
ObSo-1337
Doesn't this void your warrenty aswell? Since overclocking your CPU does change the way the cpu is meant to run. So if a novice user OC's it too high thinking "MORE SPEED = GOOD TIMES" then frying the cpu, means intel is screwing you out of $50 and a cpu. Or am i being daft?
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#118
HookeyStreet
Eat, sleep, game!
Robbing bar stewards!!!

AMD FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!
ObSo-1337Doesn't this void your warrenty aswell? Since overclocking your CPU does change the way the cpu is meant to run. So if a novice user OC's it too high thinking "MORE SPEED = GOOD TIMES" then frying the cpu, means intel is screwing you out of $50 and a cpu. Or am i being daft?
Nope, sounds like the kind of cheap move they would pull. You will obviously have a disclaimer to accept before your CPU is unlocked :(
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#119
Black Hades
FrickEveryone is already pretty much doing it (without a way to enable the disabled stuff) and the entire industry seems to do pretty good.
No, you're generalizing.

Yes many do it, but not all, and for a myriad of reasons: Like selling a sub-par chip as a budget piece instead of 0 profit for throwing it away.
Or because certain patent or contract prevents you for activating certain portions of a chip except if in the service of company x y or z.

That's another topic altogether. There is no physical, legal or (ethical) economic reason that prevents Intel from allowing you to use this product's full capacity. It's their prerogative to resort to such business practices as it's ours to try to keep them in line if we can by the means at our disposal.

You're not doing your part as a consumer, your goal is to get as much as possible from a provider for the minimum amount of money, theirs is to get the maximum amount of cash from you for their services/amenities. Keep that in mind when choosing your side of the barricade.
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#120
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Black HadesThat's another topic altogether. There is no physical, legal or (ethical) economic reason that prevents Intel from allowing you to use this product's full capacity.
Sure there are several ethical economic reasons that prevent Intel from allowing your to use the products full capacity, we've told you that already.

It is more cost effective to design and manufacturer one product with all the capabilities, then modify that product to fit market demand. This allows you to broaden your market presense and allows you to offer your products to more customers.

Be it slightly lowering the clock speed, disabling cache, disabling entire cores, disabling feature sets, disabling memory controllers(video cards), or disabling shaders(again video cards) disabling features allows chip manufacturers to offer higher margin products with value added features compared to the cheaper products. This is hardly unethical. The person buying the cheaper product gets what they pay for, and the person buying the more expensive product gets what they pay for, nothing unethical about it. The processor is cheaper for a reason. Could they offer the features with the cheaper product? Yes, but then there is no money in selling the higher end chips because no one would buy them over the cheaper chip with the same features.
ObSo-1337Doesn't this void your warrenty aswell? Since overclocking your CPU does change the way the cpu is meant to run. So if a novice user OC's it too high thinking "MORE SPEED = GOOD TIMES" then frying the cpu, means intel is screwing you out of $50 and a cpu. Or am i being daft?
Why would it void your warranty? Running the processor outside of its operating parameters voids the warranty, doing this upgrade changes the operating parameters, it does not make the processor run outside them.
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#121
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
I can see why people don't like this, but I don't see how this will be changed any time soon. As w1z said, this is the deal with pretty much every piece of silicon out there and Intel simply offers a way to enable that stuff (as newteke explains over and over).

And of course we want as much as possible for as little as possible, saying otherwise is probably wrong. But unfortunately the world does not work like that. It never has. :(
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#122
Solaris17
Super Dainty Moderator
this works out fantastic because I want to give Intel $50
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#123
Imsochobo
newtekie1Yeah, and the EU also says Microsoft including IE and Media Player for free is anti-competitive...so pretty much anything by the EU is full of shit...
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So korea, japan, USA, russia.... all of them are full of shit?


EU says MS have to allow uninstall of IE if wanted.
Opera says it should be a choice what to install.
EU have to bring opera's case further.

How did MS kill Netscape ?
Buy off companies.
Bundle it with windows.
End of netscape.

Dell have already confessed that they were threatened BY intel.

no more proof needed.


Guys on, ALready doing it ?.
Buy a tripplecore.. unlock it please, 1 out of 5 may do it, maybe all 5, testing theese chips for it cost more money than its worth to AMD.

Unlocking gfx, well I did one of mine, it didnt work, didnt even boot... got a rma tho :)
that one worked, but its not, "We're holding back performance" attitude.
amd have held back on 955 965. sooo high voltage for so little...
anyways, mostly it's been, this chip passed all the required tests to pass for a "XT" but it failed the additional, lets make a PRO.
It's not meant to gain them money, but protect their reputation, and not deliver DOA cards.. even though it actually could perfectly work, but the other may not.
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#124
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
And yes, most of the anti-competitive lawsuits from whatever country are full of shit, but the EU is especially full, almost bursting at the seams actually.

Yes, and there is nothing saying Intel still isn't doing the same thing.

They might still be lowered binned processors that Intel is binning that way to protect their reputation, and that have failed one test that prevented them from becoming an i3. No one can even really know that these processor would have even made it as i3's except Intel.

If this chips fails to bin as an i3-530 it is made into a Pentium. The difference between those two means a clock speed decrease, disabled 1MB of L3, and disabled HT. Then they bin the processors once more. The ones that fail the L3 or HT tests get binned at G6950 with no upgrade option, and the ones that pass those tests get binned as G6951 with the option to upgrade.

Did you ever consider that?
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#125
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
I knew this would be a controversial subject...
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