Thursday, October 28th 2010

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics Card Pictured

Here are the first pictures of what is touted to be the GeForce GTX 580 reference design graphics card by NVIDIA, by sections of the Chinese media. There are some interesting inferences that can be drawn just by the looks of the card. To begin with the cooler bears an uncanny resemblance to one of the earliest design iterations of the GeForce GTX 480 (pictured here and here). In its final iteration, NVIDIA gave the GTX 480 a more massive cooler, perhaps to keep up with its finalized clock speeds. If the design of the GTX 580 cooler is anything to go by, it means that either NVIDIA refined the GF100 architecture in the GF110 (on which GTX 580 is based) a great deal, increasing performance per Watt; or that since GTX 580 is in its development stage, its final version could look different. GeForce GTX 580 is being designed as a counter to AMD's Radeon HD 6900 series single-GPU graphics cards that are based on the new Cayman graphics core, which is slated for release in late November. It is expected to be 20% faster than the GTX 480.

Source: PCinLife
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213 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics Card Pictured

#1
KashunatoR
the pictures are accurate. i know that from a reviewer ;)
the overclocking potential depends a lot to the card temperature. for instance if you don't use watercooling you can't keep the 480 850/2100 daily use even in a highly ventilated case
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#2
the54thvoid
If they get the 580 to be faster than the 480 but run the same temp with lower consumption (or same) and can sell it at same or lower price, it will be a hit - I'd buy one if the opposing sides chip is worse in those regards.

I dont think Nvidia will make the same mistakes again. I figure the GTX 580 rumours could be summed up as:

GTX 580 will be more efficient than GTX 480, be slightly faster (20% optimum in selected benches) and have a reasonably effective cooling solution.

Got a bad feeling the HD 6970 might well be just as fast (or faster) but unless the core architecture is very different from 6870 it may be louder and hotter.

Hell, I'll buy the 6970 (if it's good enough) and if the 580 is substantially better - I'd then move up to that. But again, thats NV's major malfunction, people will buy 6970 in a month or so with no 580 for competition. And these folk wont shift from 6970 unless it's far inferior to the 580.

Roll on 28nm.

The GeForce GTX 580 is expected to release in November 2010,

Source of a source : http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-specifications-leaked/10184.html

oh, right, just read this part

"rumours suggest very limited to no availability on release, much like the GeForce GTX 470/480 release. "
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#3
Icon_211
This GTX580 gonna cost a bomb like GTX 480 which is equal to my entire rig. I skipped GTX200 series due to heavy price and so GTX400 series due to power n heat price wise its not bad in India when compared to 200 series pricing but still its high...hmmm im still stuck with GF9 series since i started to game in higher resolution. Will buy GTX460 when 500series started to surface so prices will come down a bit but when??? always 2 Gen behind... had 6200A while 8series now 9series while 400series are out:(
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#4
Kenshai
the54thvoid said:


The GeForce GTX 580 is expected to release in November 2010,

Source of a source : http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-specifications-leaked/10184.html

oh, right, just read this part

"rumours suggest very limited to no availability on release, much like the GeForce GTX 470/480 release. "
I don't recall much if any availability issues on either GF100 chip. Not like ATI's release at least, took me a few weeks to find a 5970 in stock for a build.
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#5
the54thvoid
Kenshai said:
I don't recall much if any availability issues on either GF100 chip. Not like ATI's release at least, took me a few weeks to find a 5970 in stock for a build.
I think the eventual release date was slated for April 10 sometime but there was no retail availability at launch. This was widely reported in most tech press. It took a few weeks for the stock to come through in any significant numbers. It was also delayed quite a bit. Go and look through Fudzilla - they were superstars at getting all excited then let down :laugh:
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#6
bear jesus
Kenshai said:
I don't recall much if any availability issues on either GF100 chip. Not like ATI's release at least, took me a few weeks to find a 5970 in stock for a build.
That's because the demand of the GF100 was so low :rolleyes:

I'm sorry i could not help myself, really there was yeild problems for both ATI and nvidia so both were having trouble keeping up with demand but of corse the effects of that would vary depending on where you are in the world and what company you buy from, in the uk scan normally had at least the sapphire 5970 in stock most of the time although i admit at times there was none of the board partners 5970's in stock.
But the GF100 launch was a little different to the 58xx cards as it was a paper lauch if im not mistaken (probably am :laugh:)
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#7
the54thvoid
It's not about yield. The Fermi release was put back from when it was meant to be to tweak the cooler and bios. It was running over hot at first. This meant the actual release date stayed early April but the actual chance to buy it wasn't till later. They got to wave it around and see, look here it is, coming soon. It only took about 2 weeks or so, no biggie after months of delays.

The ATI release was on time (stock was in shops fo release) but was very limited due to high demand versus TSMC yield nonsense. Wonder if GloFo will be better at 28nm?

May i also add, i will be very annoyed if they do a 'vague' release saying here's the card with full disclosure (NDA stuff all cool) yet the actual thing isn't available for weeks or months. That would be very bad mr Huang!

I'd like very much this chance to put both cards up against each other - that would be ace.
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#8
bear jesus
the54thvoid said:
It's not about yield. The Fermi release was put back from when it was meant to be to tweak the cooler and bios.
That makes a lot more sense, my comment was filled with assumption.

the54thvoid said:
I'd like very much this chance to put both cards up against each other - that would be ace.
I was really looking forward to the 5870 and 480 going up against each other last year, it was a dissapointment that lead to me upgrading near a year late, if the 6970 and 580 can go up against each other this year and make things interesting i'm hopefull one of them will offer something that will make me want to upgrade again.
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#10
arnoo1
Animalpak said:
mine at day one
than you should change your system specs, instead gtx480 incoming, gtx580 soon xd<,

gtx580 is going to kick ass ati/amd, 128tmu's +512shaders that willl do the trick, only i think they should keep the 480 heatsink on it, it looks baddass
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#11
TheMailMan78
Big Member
arnoo1 said:
than you should change your system specs, instead gtx480 incoming, gtx580 soon xd<,

gtx580 I HOPE is going to kick ass ati/amd, 128tmu's +512shaders that willl do the trick, only i think they should keep the 480 heatsink on it, it looks baddass
Fixed.
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#12
the54thvoid
arnoo1 said:
gtx580 is going to kick ass
You know what'll kick ass?

The look of disappointment on your face when you see how mediocre that card is going to be :laugh:

But seriously, this good for all. Perhaps at last, high end competition that should start a price war, sorry a price bitch slapping contest.
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#13
Animalpak
please stop fan... :shadedshu yes know that thing :mad:
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#15
p3gaz_001
KashunatoR said:
the pictures are accurate. i know that from a reviewer ;)
the overclocking potential depends a lot to the card temperature. for instance if you don't use watercooling you can't keep the 480 850/2100 daily use even in a highly ventilated case
wich 480s? the reference? if so i agree, if not i'll not agree, till yesterday i was running my 480 amp on air @ 840/1700/2050 with no overvolt... from today.. thanking EK. things are changed :laugh:
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#16
arnoo1
the54thvoid said:
You know what'll kick ass?

The look of disappointment on your face when you see how mediocre that card is going to be :laugh:

But seriously, this good for all. Perhaps at last, high end competition that should start a price war, sorry a price bitch slapping contest.
that's a good one, lol,

time will tell my friend
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#17
pantherx12
HTC said:
Dunno why you dudes are saying A card is hotter then B card.

Has anyone tried to put a 480 stock cooler on a 5870 card? If possible and the 5870 is hotter with the "newer" cooler, then the 480 is hotter the the 5870.

Anyone considered that it's the cooler that sucks and not the card that's hotter?

Personally, i would like to see someone putting a stock 5870 cooler on a 480 and vice-versa and compare temps: it would once and for all resolve this (if @ all possible, ofc).
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Unless nvidia screwed up somewhere I can't see with the 480 stock heat-sink, it is a better heat-sink than the 5870 sink.

It has a greater surface area, more heat-pipes and even has a "better" fan blowing on it.

the 480 is just hot :laugh:
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#18
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
the54thvoid said:
You know what'll kick ass?

The look of disappointment on your face when you see how mediocre that card is going to be :laugh:

But seriously, this good for all. Perhaps at last, high end competition that should start a price war, sorry a price bitch slapping contest.
even if it wil be just 15% improvement over the 480, Id still score one :rockout:
to hell with money, I aint be bringing em when Im dead anyways :D, a hundred years from now, no one would care lol
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#19
HTC
pantherx12 said:
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Unless nvidia screwed up somewhere I can't see with the 480 stock heat-sink, it is a better heat-sink than the 5870 sink.

It has a greater surface area, more heat-pipes and even has a "better" fan blowing on it.

the 480 is just hot :laugh:
As proven by the whole battle nVidia VS ATI (die sizes), bigger doesn't mean better.

As a non related example, Real Madrid have many of the word's top players and yet they were held by Murcia when they last played for the King's cup: better "components" (players) don't necessarily make a better "whole" (team).


I may be totally wrong but, has anyone proved either way?
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#20
Mussels
Moderprator
as much as i dont care about the 580, i wanted to comment on something a few pages back.


comment 1: fermi is hoooooot
comment 2: MY fermi doesnt run hot! its only *insert temp here*



your fermi does run hot. its temperature is NOT related to the heat output of the card. you slap a bigger heatsink on, and it makes the GPU cooler by spreading the heat out, NOT by reducing how much heat is put out in the first place.


TL;DR: the heat is being dumped into your case, instead of staying on the GPU where its being read by the sensors. doesnt mean its not a hot card, just means you've moved to heat elsewhere for something else to deal with.
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#21
mdsx1950
arnoo1 said:
than you should change your system specs, instead gtx480 incoming, gtx580 soon xd<,

gtx580 is going to kick ass ati/amd, 128tmu's +512shaders that willl do the trick, only i think they should keep the 480 heatsink on it, it looks baddass
Let's hope it atleast beats my 5970 4GB or else it's going to be disappointing. Even if it beats it, it will only be like a 5% more better. :shadedshu
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#22
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
Mussels said:
as much as i dont care about the 580, i wanted to comment on something a few pages back.


comment 1: fermi is hoooooot
comment 2: MY fermi doesnt run hot! its only *insert temp here*



your fermi does run hot. its temperature is NOT related to the heat output of the card. you slap a bigger heatsink on, and it makes the GPU cooler by spreading the heat out, NOT by reducing how much heat is put out in the first place.


TL;DR: the heat is being dumped into your case, instead of staying on the GPU where its being read by the sensors. doesnt mean its not a hot card, just means you've moved to heat elsewhere for something else to deal with.
No doubt Fermi is a hot architecture(mainly GF100), though it's definitely not a bad as people put it out to be. I have owned both single and SLI'd 470's and they didn't run nearly as hot as i expected in my mid size case. Hell i ran a single HD 4870 that ran about as hot as my GF100 cards did. It's one of those things that you know is there, but it doesn't make as much of an annoyance as you'd expect it to, I don't think anyone is denying or would deny Fermi runs hot, but i do think people are always defending the heat constantly because it gets portrayed like it runs as hot as the surface of the sun.
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#23
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
v12dock said:
A GTX 480 cooler on a higher TDP card, hmm....
Its actually about 70 to 80% of the GTX480 TDP and much much more refined and power leakage issues are fixed. Runs cooler. Overall seems like it may have a chance

They definitely fixed the memory controller issue they had with the GTX470 and 480. Look how much higher the memory is 2000 (1000 give or take a few effective) thats like 4GHZ memory compared to the 3.3GHZX memory the 470 and 480 had. The memory bandwidth is huge!

Is the 128tmu's official??
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#24
Mussels
Moderprator
i never said other cards dont run just as hot or put out as much heat - i just wanted to clear up the silly misconception that GPU temps are related to heat output. that's just ridiculous. turn the fan from 20% to 100% and it doesnt lower the heat output at all, despite it lowering temps.
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#25
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
Mussels said:
i never said other cards dont run just as hot or put out as much heat - i just wanted to clear up the silly misconception that GPU temps are related to heat output. that's just ridiculous. turn the fan from 20% to 100% and it doesnt lower the heat output at all, despite it lowering temps.
I agree with that, if the card is designed to throw out a bucket load of heat, it will do it regardless of what fan speed you have it on. All raising the fan speed does it push heat out, it has nothing to do with how much heat the GPU emits nor does it cure a GPU that gets overly hot by design. True..

But again, GF100 doesn't emit as much heat as expected is all i was saying.
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