Thursday, October 28th 2010

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics Card Pictured

Here are the first pictures of what is touted to be the GeForce GTX 580 reference design graphics card by NVIDIA, by sections of the Chinese media. There are some interesting inferences that can be drawn just by the looks of the card. To begin with the cooler bears an uncanny resemblance to one of the earliest design iterations of the GeForce GTX 480 (pictured here and here). In its final iteration, NVIDIA gave the GTX 480 a more massive cooler, perhaps to keep up with its finalized clock speeds. If the design of the GTX 580 cooler is anything to go by, it means that either NVIDIA refined the GF100 architecture in the GF110 (on which GTX 580 is based) a great deal, increasing performance per Watt; or that since GTX 580 is in its development stage, its final version could look different. GeForce GTX 580 is being designed as a counter to AMD's Radeon HD 6900 series single-GPU graphics cards that are based on the new Cayman graphics core, which is slated for release in late November. It is expected to be 20% faster than the GTX 480.

Source: PCinLife
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213 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics Card Pictured

#1
N3M3515
mdsx1950 said:
Let's hope it atleast beats my 5970 4GB or else it's going to be disappointing. Even if it beats it, it will only be like a 5% more better. :shadedshu
if the 580 beats HD5970 then it means at least 30% faster than 480, and that's not the case....

if the rumours says 20%, the very best i could think of is 25%, and that would put it even with HD 5970
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#2
KashunatoR
it also depends on the OC potential of the 580. we all know that ati OC scaling simply isn't there. to sum it up, if the 580 runs cool enough to allow proper overclocking i think we have a winner
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#3
HalfAHertz
Mussels said:
i never said other cards dont run just as hot or put out as much heat - i just wanted to clear up the silly misconception that GPU temps are related to heat output. that's just ridiculous. turn the fan from 20% to 100% and it doesnt lower the heat output at all, despite it lowering temps.
Um technically it does. The lower the temperature, the more effective a conductor is. The more effective it is, the less resistance it has. The less resistance it is, the more efficient it is at transporting electrons, thus loosing less energy to heat. That's why we're still trying to find a super conductor working at room temp :p
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#4
Jonap_1st
if the heat is reduce, it surely giving the component a stable and longer life..
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#5
AddSub
nvidiaintelftw said:
To bad fermi isnt even that hot. I have a 470 and ive ran a 480 for a while. And they do not get that hot. I dont know why you guys get so butt hurt about things getting hot. we are PC Enthusiast we should expect to have things run hot. FERMI can run that hot to its not like its hurting it. my GTX480 ran at 75c gaming and my 470 ran at 65 to 70c gaming. Whats wrong with those temps. I had like 150mhz overclocks on them both to.
I never understood this either, especially on TPU of all places. Everybody here is a PC hardware enthusiast in one way or another. As I always say when it comes to this topic: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. These people should take up some other hobby like stamp collecting or knitting.

Also, I noticed the "noise" always comes from the same faction, especially more so since AMD bought ATI.
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#6
TheMailMan78
Big Member
AddSub said:
I never understood this either, especially on TPU of all places. Everybody here is a PC hardware enthusiast in one way or another. As I always say when it comes to this topic: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. These people should take up some other hobby like stamp collecting or knitting.

Also, I noticed the "noise" always comes from the same faction, especially more so since AMD bought ATI.
Ill just repeat myself.

TheMailMan78 said:
Dude Fermi is hot. It kills your ambient case temps as an enthusiast you SHOULD care about that. Now I know you're a major fanboy but lets be realistic here. I ain't saying its a bad card mind you. But saying its not hot is just stupid.
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#7
mdsx1950
N3M3515 said:
if the 580 beats HD5970 then it means at least 30% faster than 480, and that's not the case....

if the rumours says 20%, the very best i could think of is 25%, and that would put it even with HD 5970
Yeah your right.

So since the HD6970 is going to be the direct competitor to the GTX580. Will it be as powerful as a HD5970? :eek: I'll just jeez my pants. :laugh: lol.

Imagine 4x GTX580s or HD6970s. DAMN. :rockout:
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#8
motasim
... if they lower heat/noise production ... if the length is less than 11 inches (so that it can fit in my case) ... if it performs better than the upcoming AMD 6970, and cost the same or less ... if I can buy it for $425 or less ... too many ifs :( ...
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#9
mdsx1950
motasim said:
... if they lower heat/noise production ... if the length is less than 11 inches (so that it can fit in my case) ... if it performs better than the upcoming AMD 6970, and cost the same or less ... if I can buy it for $425 or less ... too many ifs :( ...
Highly doubt that. :(
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#10
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
AddSub said:
I never understood this either, especially on TPU of all places. Everybody here is a PC hardware enthusiast in one way or another. As I always say when it comes to this topic: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. These people should take up some other hobby like stamp collecting or knitting.

Also, I noticed the "noise" always comes from the same faction, especially more so since AMD bought ATI.
This is the point i have always tried to push accross, these are high end cards, if you're an actual ''computer enthusiast'' you should have these percautions taken care of already, a good PSU with a good amount of wattage, space in your case, good airflow etc. It's not rocket science to cool GF100, and people need to stop acting like it is.

TheMailMan78 said:
Ill just repeat myself.
That's honestly not true, not doubt it emits a fair amount of heat, but not enough that a so called ''enthusiast'' can't handle.
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#11
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
CDdude55 said:
This is the point i have always tried to push accross, these are high end cards, if you're an actual ''computer enthusiast'' you should have these percautions taken care of already, a good PSU with a good amount of wattage, space in your case, good airflow etc. It's not rocket science to cool GF100, and people need to stop acting like it is.

That's honestly not true, not doubt it emits a fair amount of heat, but not enough that a so called ''enthusiast'' can't handle.
the heat issue is blown ridiculously out of proportion.

ever since the 5000 series, when ATI got their first big break in a few years, the fans loved that, and so they should. but the love turned to an amlost 'name-calling' sort of attitude when it came to some competition.

yes GF100 was late, and hot, but the jokes take it too far, and make it seem much worse than it actually is. and all it is, is ATI/AMD fans rubbing in AMD's success.

I can think of a fair few HOT ATI cards, like a 2900XT, or a 4890 for example, right in the same ball park as a GTX480 (heat wise) that didn't even nearly cop the same wrap as a GTX480 has, just because of the context, and the fanbase of this and the past few generations of cards.

It's a hot card, I'm not denying that, nobody will. they may tell you it's managable, which is also true. I'm just sick of people being so childish about the whole thing, and making lame-ass jokes. You can be proud that after a few generations of being behind, your favourite company is now on top again, just please don't abouse that pride into over-slandering what is essentially a good product.
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#12
[I.R.A]_FBi
heat is not the same as temperature. if you cant grasp that this convo is over your head
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#13
TheMailMan78
Big Member
The power draw on one of these card is huge. W1zz recommended a 600w PSU just for one! The heat that alone will produce will need WC unless you love the sound of a leaf blower. 96c under load? I mean come on guys! Its a beast of a card but for what it is the 580 better damn sure be cooler and quieter. Oh and before you go slinging about fanboy crap I am looking to buy a 480 here in the next month or so if they come off that price some.
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#14
the54thvoid
Heat - not an issue if it's built with those tolerances in mind. And i agree with CDdude, if you pay for that level of tech, the rest of your rig should be fairly decent. My beef was never just about the power but the noise.

My crossfired 5850's consume less power than the 480 and produce better fps except in Unigine with heavy teselation (Metro 2033 evens up and thats a uber NV game). So i wouldn't change to a 480.

The noise is my issue. A 5850 is quiet, two at full pelt are definitely audible but not irritating. My 2nd card reaches 80 degrees on some DX 11 games (unless i put V sync on) when i'm at ultra high settings.

How noisy is a GTX 480 at full pelt? Thats my thing.

If neither the 580 or 6970 are acoustically acceptable (lower than mine) I'll stick with these until after market cooling comes about through the AIB's.
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#15
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
[I.R.A]_FBi said:
heat is not the same as temperature. if you cant grasp that this convo is over your head
It's an easy difference, and I am talking about heat. my point is there have been hot ATI GPU's in the past that have not copped nearly as much bs as the GTX480 has by AMD fans this time around.
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#16
TheMailMan78
Big Member
wolf said:
It's an easy difference, and I am talking about heat. my point is there have been hot ATI GPU's in the past that have not copped nearly as much bs as the GTX480 has by AMD fans this time around.
Because the 480 was to knock out the 58xx series......and it did a lil' but at the cost of a MASSIVE amount of heat and a HUGE delay in release time.
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#17
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
TheMailMan78 said:
Because the 480 was to knock out the 58xx series......and it did a lil' but at the cost of a MASSIVE amount of heat and a HUGE delay in release time.
But you see the point he's trying to make right?, i've ran a HD 4870 that actually runs as hot(if not hotter) than my current GTX 470, and yet it didn't get near the amount of attention as GF100 has. Saying it emits a ''massive'' amount of heat is overstating the case. I've ran single and well as SLI'd 470's and i'm not crying about the heat because when i got them, i found out the people were grossly over complaining.

Good case with good airflow and a good power supply is all you need, nothing out of an ''enthusiasts'' reach imo.
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#18
TheMailMan78
Big Member
CDdude55 said:
But you see the point he's trying to make right?, i've ran a HD 4870 that actually runs as hot(if not hotter) than my current GTX 470, and yet it didn't get near the amount of attention as GF100 has. Saying it emits a ''massive'' amount of heat is overstating the case. I've ran single and well as SLI'd 470's and i'm not crying about the heat because when i got them, i found out the people were grossly over complaining.
You see if the 480/470 would have came out BEFORE the 58xx series cards we wouldn't be having is converstaion. The fact it took so long to relese a hot ass card is what draws so much attention. That and W1zz said his room got hotter after using these things. Thats pretty epic if you think about it.
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#19
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
TheMailMan78 said:
You see if the 480/470 would have came out BEFORE the 58xx series cards we wouldn't be having is converstaion. The fact it took so long to relese a hot ass card is what draws so much attention. That and W1zz said his room got hotter after using these things. Thats pretty epic if you think about it.
That's where a lot of the critisism comes from, the fact that it was delayed so long and then when it finally came out it exceed in performance against the 5 series but failed in efficiancy. So we ended up getting a card that wasn't a whole lot faster then it's AMD counterpart but gave us a rise in temps and power consumption.

And i understand why people would get mad at that, but a lot of them are just fundementally wrong, the problem comes stems out of people getting upset by things that aren't actually there. Then when people who have owned the card say it's not that bad, everyone gets all uppity and claims it's as hot as the sun due to what they have read online. If you really want to find out how hot it gets and how people are easily dealing with it, ask some people who have owned it, go the source and ask them how they like it and what's the deal on the so called high power consuption and heat, they will give you the most honest anwser out of anybody.

And someone who as owned GF100 i can honsestly say it's not nearly as bad as people push it out to be.
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#20
dr emulator (madmax)
i'm just curious as to when they are going to slap us all, and totally redesign everything,
lets face it graphics cards are getting heavier, heck i was even shocked at how much my i7 weighed, it's that heavy i could break windows with it :laugh:

but seriously, i do wonder when things will change and whether we'll need totally new cases
as things won't fit the old ones anymore

i was going to get myself an nvidia if it hadn't have been for the heat problem a few have pointed to

and yes heat is a problem, because unless they start using different materials to solder with, that brand new $600-$700 cards solder is going to dry and create dry joints, which will be an absolute disaster :twitch:

i also wonder how loud this new iteration will be, as my 5870 sounds like a hairdryer as it is and scares the crxp out of the cats it's so damned loud

anyone have any data on the noise levels?
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#21
TheMailMan78
Big Member
CDdude55 said:
That's where a lot of the critisism comes from, the fact that it was delayed so long and then when it finally came out it exceed in performance against the 5 series but failed in efficiancy. So we ended up getting a card that wasn't a whole lot faster then it's AMD counterpart but gave us a rise in temps and power consumption.

And i understand why people would get mad at that, but a lot of them are just fundementally wrong, the problem comes stems out of people getting upset by things that aren't actually there. Then when people who have owned the card say it's not that bad, everyone gets all uppity and claims it's as hot as the sun due to what they have read online. If you really want to find out how hot it gets and how people are easily dealing with it, ask some people who have owned it, go the source and ask them how they like it and what's the deal on the so called high power consuption and heat, they will give you the most honest anwser out of anybody.

And someone who as owned GF100 i can honsestly say it's not nearly as bad as people push it out to be.
I get what you are saying but look at it this way. W1zz doesnt have an investment in a 480. When people invest in something (even if it sucks) they defend it and make excuses. Now I'm not saying the 480 is that case. What I am saying is I trust a TPU review more then people who bought the card. That is until W1zz gets bought out :laugh:
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#22
cheesy999
TheMailMan78 said:
I get what you are saying but look at it this way. W1zz doesnt have an investment in a 480. When people invest in something (even if it sucks) they defend it and make excuses. Now I'm not saying the 480 is that case. What I am saying is I trust a TPU review more then people who bought the card. That is until W1zz gets bought out :laugh:
Exactly, I don't know much about the GTX 480's however i do know that my GTS 250 often runs above 80*c whilst gaming and can reach over 95*c running furmark - if someone said the new amd 6970 did that I would consider it a fail, however I don't see anything wrong with my card doing it as it still works perfectly and I paid £90 for it.
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#23
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
TheMailMan78 said:
I get what you are saying but look at it this way. W1zz doesnt have an investment in a 480. When people invest in something (even if it sucks) they defend it and make excuses. Now I'm not saying the 480 is that case. What I am saying is I trust a TPU review more then people who bought the card. That is until W1zz gets bought out :laugh:
It's a differant enviroment, the majority of the end users are the ones you need to talk to for a good analisys on real world performance. W1zz makes some awesome reviews, but if you want to see how they perform on average and a generally uncontrolled enviroment, you should always reach out to other people. Reviews are great for a look at peformance and a kind of ''top down'' look at overall temps. But everyones experiance is differant and that those temps don't always repreasent a relistic view of how hot they actually are in someones case.

It's not about making excuses or defending it, people like me always try and avoid defending any particuar cards or brand, but like i said, a lot of people are just died wrong on GF100 and consistantly spew out hate for the cards on something thats not even there in the first place, that's why some of us end up defending it. It has nothing to do with me owning the card, i'm just talking from my experiances with the cards.

I see what you're saying overall though...
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#24
mtosev
doesn't look much different from the gtx 480. the only question is: will it deliver?
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#25
blibba
pantherx12 said:
Come now an over-clocked 5870 tangles with a 480(stock)...
:laugh:
Very true, but most people who buy 480s are interested in the superior SLI scaling and ultra high resolution performance offered by the increased memory and bus width.
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