Wednesday, May 23rd 2012
Production of AMD "Piledriver" FX Processors Begin Q3 2012
Production of AMD's next-generation FX processor family, which are based on its "Piledriver" microarchitecture, will commence in Q3 2012, according to industry sources. Some of the first client processor models based on the "Vishera" silicon, will be the eight-core FX-8350, six-core FX-6300, and quad-core FX-4320. The three model names were earlier misinterpreted with an "x" prefix from a roadmap slide.
A few more details are known about these chips. For starters, the chips will be built on the existing AM3+ package, retaining compatibility with current AM3+ platforms. The chips will also retain dual-channel DDR3-1866 MHz integrated memory controllers, and Turbo Core 2.0. The main differences here, are increases in IPC (performance to clock-speed ratio), and the implementation of resonant clock mesh technology, which increases energy efficiency.
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DonanimHaber
A few more details are known about these chips. For starters, the chips will be built on the existing AM3+ package, retaining compatibility with current AM3+ platforms. The chips will also retain dual-channel DDR3-1866 MHz integrated memory controllers, and Turbo Core 2.0. The main differences here, are increases in IPC (performance to clock-speed ratio), and the implementation of resonant clock mesh technology, which increases energy efficiency.
63 Comments on Production of AMD "Piledriver" FX Processors Begin Q3 2012
Lets say we bench 20 games. Phenom II wins only 5 tests by a 15% lead, and Bulldozer wins 15 test by a 10% lead. Would it be fair to say Phenom II is upto 15% faster when on average it got spanked?
Fourstaff, no offense taken. With all the fanboys around sometimes we automatically go on the defensive. I've been guilty of it myself.
I agree singlethreaded performance needs to be improved heavily. Trinity is in the right step, as I pointed out earlier, Anandtech suggests a 20-25% gap between Trinity and Ivy in CPU. So hopefully AMD use this time to perfect the Piledriver between now and then to close the gap.
[warning! Some philosophical thoughts ahead!]
I know that this has some bad implications, but let us not forget to always also look for the bright side. There is always two ends to a stick.
That means "good" things also carry some "bad" implication. So, let's just be thankful for what we have - as in the first place, we have something ;]
Apparently the server chips will support quad channel. I'd be interested to find out how the dual channel desktop version performs in comparison to the quad channel server variant.
www.techpowerup.com/159062/AMD-Vishera-Packs-Quad-Channel-DDR3-IMC-G34-En-Route-Desktop-.html?cp=3
4 ghz stock speed ( top end model)
+20% IPC
5GHZ on air ( I can nearly do that already)
Still will run as hot as BS but not AS hot as BS.
I need raw single thread CPU performance because i heavily use emulators, which are usually not very multi core efficient, so IPC is by far the most important criteria for my needs.
As much as i would love Trinity to match a 2600k on a clock for clock IPC, there is just too big a gap for that to happen by Q4 2012.
That said, I have no idea if bulldozer handles its L2 & L3 caches well. Along with not remembering if cache handling improvements were mentioned in piledriver's improvement highlights. xD
I expect the new processor will run hot too.
But not as hot.
Many such things already made overclocking more and more confusing with each such additional technology. If this trend keeps up, in a few years time, overclocking can turn into "I don't even f-ing know if those changes I made affect anything at all". One such "bad" example of a chip getting near (bot not quite there yet) this territory is Nv Kepler.
It will be a sad day, when overclocking becomes a thing comparable to "voodoo magic done by an amateur using a 'cookbook'.". :shadedshu
"Electricity passes from the capacitor to the inductor, where it creates a magnetic field. When the capacitor’s charge reaches zero, the current flow reverses — power shifts from the inductor to the capacitor, and the magnetic field dissipates. This process is analogous to the movement of a pendulum or the sloshing of water in a tank, which is where the “tank circuit” moniker comes from.
Here’s the key: It takes significantly less power to keep the pendulum swinging than it does to start over from a neutral position each and every cycle. Cyclos’ design reportedly cuts clock distribution power by “up to 24% while maintaining the low clock-skew target required by high-performance processors.” Cyclos claims that using its technology can cut total IC power by up to 10%. "
Basically a power saving measure.
Saved power also means lower temperatures.
All goes towards them being able to clock BD higher.
People into PC wants raw performance on windows.
The fact of the mater is bulldozer could be a 100 core CPU
and still fail to deliver performance as it sucks compared to sandy bridge.
It doesn't matter that is has 8 cores it still sucks. Although it may be cheap other than that if you want performance buy intel. Or AMD server chips maybe? Can you even buy them in the shops?
Maybe AMD should Aim at being 80% as efficient as ivy bridge.
First think they should do is fire all there marketing staff.
Rename the FX to the Crap X or Cyrix :P.... Or just phenom 1.2 :P
Then pull there head out of there backside and make something that is better than the phoenm2 its sad the FX isn't half as good as the phenom 2
Yeah, I know well enough about those things.
Just from past experience, where companies used flashy (and highly indicating) names for simple things, just to attract as much attention from simple users as possible...
...Simply put, I thought this is one of those flashy sounding things that basically fiddle with the clocks in some clever way, which would prolly be frustrating to OCers.
So, Thanks for saving me the trouble of long and boring Googe'ling (actually DDG'ing) session, and simply clearing things up for me! ;]
To me is the reverse - most of my processor taxing tasks, and furthermore, processing intensive work & study related things are on Linux.
So personally, bought bulldozer without too much thought because I hardly cared if it is slow on windows according to reviews, as it is fast on linux, according to reviews.
As much as I encountered, people using linux in a serious way usually stay in their own communities and do not venture into places such TPU very often. Yet, they are quite numerous. Thus, I suppose You should fix that into "Most simple users into PC want raw performance on windows." ;]
For most average computer users AMD CPUs are perfectly fine, all they need to do is power the OS, web-browser and e-mail client.
'Enthusuiasts' need to realize that they are not the only computer users, and not everyone needs the absolute best PC.
these should perform closer to sandy and ivy due to Fm3 support also :wtf: i hopebeguiles me when i here this?
im the average user ,my rigs listed ,my pc is folding for Tpu in the chimpchallenge(last ditch promotion:)) and is running 1520 threads at the minute, not gameing is doing my nut by the way, ive not been off ere at all>its sad someone taught you to use a keyboard
just my 2 cents