Wednesday, July 4th 2018

TechPowerUp Processor Survey Results: The Ryzen Effect is Real

Late May 2018, TechPowerUp started a front-page poll asking people which processor they use. 37 days and 16,140 responses later, we have a general idea of where the desktop processor market stands among our readers (predominantly PC gamers and enthusiasts). The top-two responses to our survey were 4th generation Core "Haswell," followed by the preceding two generations ("Ivy Bridge" and "Sandy Bridge"). This speaks volumes as to the hole Intel dug itself into, due to lack of competition from AMD. Processors that are 4-7 years old still run today's gaming PCs, and don't bottleneck today's games, as long as graphics cards keep getting faster (where there has been relatively more competition than the CPU market).

Despite being newer, fewer respondents use 6th generation "Skylake" and 7th generation "Kaby Lake" processors than older generations, because those on something like 4th generation "Haswell" or even "Ivy Bridge," don't see the value in upgrading. But then something changed in 2017 - AMD became competitive again, and forced an increase in CPU core counts across the segment. AMD's Ryzen processor family, including both its 1st and 2nd generations, are better received in the market than Intel's competing 8th generation "Coffee Lake" and 7th generation "Kaby Lake." The data stands to validate the "Ryzen effect," the idea that the introduction of Ryzen disrupted Intel's near-monopoly, increased core-counts, and brought innovation back to the segment.
More of our readers use AMD Ryzen processors than Intel Core "Coffee Lake" and "Kaby Lake." So in the period following Intel's launch of 7th generation "Kaby Lake" (slightly before the launch of Ryzen), more AMD processors were installed among our readers. This of course doesn't mean that there are more AMD users, since we're not counting pre-Ryzen Intel generations such as "Skylake" and "Haswell." This seems to suggest that the "Ryzen effect" is not a myth.
In the time since 2nd generation "Sandy Bridge" (circa 2012), very little innovation has been there from Intel for PC gamers. The mainstream-desktop segment has had to content with no more than 4 cores, and there's been very little IPC increments between generations to warrant upgrades. The result is that there are plenty of people with >4 year old processors, which are fast enough for today's gaming. The data also shows that in a shorter span of time, AMD sold more Ryzen chips.

Of course there are limitations to our survey. The data is sourced from a user poll among our readers, in contrast to the Steam Hardware Survey, which gets its data by probing the hardware of a machine. As we mentioned earlier, our readers are composed of PC gamers and enthusiasts, and hence our data isn't in line with the general market (that includes other use-cases).
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75 Comments on TechPowerUp Processor Survey Results: The Ryzen Effect is Real

#1
R0H1T
bug said:
I'm not sure this poll proves anything, we're a small and particular segment of those that buy CPUs.
Competition, yeah, as welcome as ever.
It certainly proves that people are willing to give AMD a chance even when Intel leads in absolute clocks & IPC. When was the last time people recommended an FX over core, except as a bargain basement last ditch alternative?
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#2
bug
R0H1T said:
It certainly proves that people are willing to give AMD a chance even when Intel leads in absolute clocks & IPC. When was the last time people recommended an FX over core, except as a bargain basement last ditch alternative?
Fair enough. I didn't realize willingness to recommend a good product was ever questioned.
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#3
Tomorrow
Slight error in the first sentance:
Late May 2017, TechPowerUp started a front-page poll asking people which processor they use. 37 days and 16,140 responses later...
Should be 2018.
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#4
slehmann
las said:
I sell hardware b2b in Europe and we ship like 85/15 which is in line with Steam HW Survey
Steam Survey isnt real at the moment as the PUBG crowd is dominant and this game favors Intel CPUs.
To which kind of businesses you sell? Retailers or companies? If the latter then thats also not the complete picture.
Companies buy office hardware which is still in the most cases Intel. Just because there is a wider range of options and they dont trust Ryzen yet.
Its normal that adoption takes longer in the IT departments of bigger companies.
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#5
Vayra86
Vya Domus said:
What's actually surprising is that TPU users where renowned for their hatred towards AMD. Just the mere fact that some would be wiling to lie in this survey is incredibility telling as to how much things have changed.
We were renowned? Not sure I can see that sentiment, all I see is enthusiasts hunting down top performance

Stop fooling yourself
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#6
the54thvoid
Vya Domus said:
What's actually surprising is that TPU users where renowned for their hatred towards AMD. Just the mere fact that some would be wiling to lie in this survey is incredibility telling as to how much things have changed.
Have to disagree with that absolute bullshit statement.

1- Quantify what % of TPU users are not AMD users and then,
2 - Of that subset, quantify what % are vehemently anti -AMD.
From that, then define, 'hatred'.

Stupid statement is stupid, frankly. :shadedshu:

As for other points in the thread about being enthusiasts - I totally agree. I knew moving to AMD with a new CPU and mobo would have some teething issues (I read the reviews) but I wanted a challenge. I know a fast 4 core intel is better than my chip for 90% of games but I don't care. I game at 60Hz and I use a 1080ti. I wanted to try an AMD chip and guess what - it's a damn fine piece of silicon. OK, it's not as fast and my FPS won't be as high but it's higher than my refresh rate and it was fun building the system.

Intel still wins for gaming scenarios but sometimes it's nice to experiment with a new thing and the Zen architecture is the best thing AMD have created for a long time. Enthusiasts don't necessarily buy the fastest, they buy what challenges, or what takes their fancy.
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#7
Vya Domus
Vayra86 said:
We were renowned?
Been browsing TPU since way before I signed up , the trend was quite obvious. And it's still observable though thankfully it falls within a samll subset of fanboys and trolls nowadays.

I know my statement annoys the hell out of most on here but please understand it's not directed towards everyone and not with regards to the current state of affairs.

the54thvoid said:
Have to disagree with that absolute bullshit statement.

1- Quantify what % of TPU users are not AMD users and then,
2 - Of that subset, quantify what % are vehemently anti -AMD.
From that, then define, 'hatred'.
Well I have to disagree with the way you classify users.

I own a Nvidia GPU yet I have been simultaneously called out for hating Nvidia and being an AMD fanboy. Your rather primitive way to classify people would have failed on me. :)
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#8
Fouquin
dj-electric said:
Nobody is waiting with pitchforks in every AMD CPU thread. All is well.
Bit of a stretch to say nobody. AMD's CPU division gets less flak now than it used to, however I invite you to read through some comments on articles pertaining to Vega. There's some unmitigated vitriol unleashed in those.
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#9
Hood
Vya Domus said:
What's actually surprising is that TPU users where renowned for their hatred towards AMD. Just the mere fact that some would be wiling to lie in this survey is incredibility telling as to how much things have changed.
I wouldn't say any of us have ever hated AMD, some of us get tired of the knee-jerk "more cores for same or cheaper price is always better" mindset. Most of us know enough to buy for what our actual needs are, not bragging rights or brand loyalty. You can love your AMD system, and I can love my Intel system, without anyone being wrong, or stupid, or a sheeple, or a fanboy. I feel that when Ryzen came out and enjoyed some success, AMD fans said very hateful things about Intel users, and the backlash from that may have seemed anti-AMD, when it was really "anti-AMD rabid fanboy mindset", if you appreciate the distinction. What were the survey respondents lying about? I don't understand what you mean.
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#10
the54thvoid
Vya Domus said:
Been browsing TPU since way before I signed up , the trend was quite obvious. And it's still observable though thankfully it falls within a samll subset of fanboys and trolls nowadays.

I know my statement annoys the hell out of most on here but please understand it's not directed towards everyone and not with regards to the current state of affairs.



Well I have to disagree with the way you classify users.

I own a Nvidia GPU yet I have been simultaneously called out for hating Nvidia and being an AMD fanboy. Your rather primitive way to classify people would have failed on me. :)
Lol.

Primitive? It's factual. If you hate (rather, a person) hated AMD you wouldn't own their hardware. From that, you then see who hates them. But you need to define hate.
What I am saying is, it's very hard to define a forum of haters without figuring the above out. Not primitive at all.
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#11
lexluthermiester
GinoLatino said:
Care to share those "real market" numbers you are holding on to?
Actually, that's a fairly simple answer. TPU, while excellent, isn't the largest tech site in the world. Additionally, of those who saw the poll, how many actually voted? And what about the people who have more than one system and are using different CPU's in each? Or what about the people who don't have any of the CPU's listed?

The poll seemed to only be meant to give a general idea of Ryzen market penetration among TPU users. It was not meant to be definitive, because if it was it would be a deeply flawed poll. TPU is smarter than that.

Vya Domus said:
What's actually surprising is that TPU users where renowned for their hatred towards AMD.
Rubbish. There are those who are in each extreme here on TPU, but most users are generally objective minded and look at things realistically.
Vya Domus said:
Just the mere fact that some would be wiling to lie in this survey is incredibility telling as to how much things have changed.
Citation please? Prove people are lying.
bug said:
Hating on company X or Y is just idiotic. So is seeing a company as a saint/devil, but that's another story.
Couldn't agree more.

Hugh Mungus said:
Well, threadripper 2 is gonna kick their blue a$$!!
They're doing that now. AMD is currently giving Intel humble-pie very handily. And THIS IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE!

Competition always drives innovation and creative thinking in a given marketplace. Intel will not just cower in a corner. They will come back with something that will answer AMD's new hotness. And the cycle will continue. We all will benefit.
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#12
dj-electric
Fouquin said:
Bit of a stretch to say nobody. AMD's CPU division gets less flak now than it used to, however I invite you to read through some comments on articles pertaining to Vega. There's some unmitigated vitriol unleashed in those.
Are you telling me that comments to a 16 month-late, severly overpriced product are negative?
Shocking
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#13
Vya Domus
the54thvoid said:

Primitive? It's factual. If you hate (rather, a person) hated AMD you wouldn't own their hardware.
I am sure if you were to give it just a little bit of thought you would see how limited , unreliable and yes , primitive your idea is.

Your thought process goes like this :

Own something from X ? If yes then you can't hate X , if no then there is chance you do. Not only that such a logic is as basic as it can get , than in it self isn't a problem , it's just that it simply isn't true all the time. You can definitely dislike something even if you use/own said thing.

Out of curiosity after reading many of my comments on this site, how do you categorize me based on this algorithm of yours ?

lexluthermiester said:

Citation please? Prove people are lying.
I don't have to prove anything because I didn't said people were , in fact, lying , read carefully what I wrote. People consider this survey to be irrelevant/inaccurate, my observation was that even if people would have lied , the result as it is would still be telling.
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#14
Fouquin
dj-electric said:
Are you telling me that comments to a 16 month-late, severly overpriced product are negative?
Shocking
16 months late? That suggests the original launch date to have been just after Christmas 2015, barely 6 months after the launch of the Fury X.
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#15
the54thvoid
Vya Domus said:
I am sure if you were to give it just a little bit of thought you would see how limited , unreliable and yes , primitive your idea is.

Your thought process goes like this :

Own something from X ? If yes then you can't hate X , if no then there is chance you do. Not only that such a logic is as basic as it can get , than in it self isn't a problem , it's just that it simply isn't true all the time. You can definitely dislike something even if you use/own said thing.
Why would someone choose to own something they hate? That is not logical. I know it may happen but it is not logical. If you hate it, sell it and buy what you don't hate. Oh, and don't begin to equate hate with dislike, which is what you are now doing. I agree that you may own something and dislike it. But dislike is far less serious than hate. Hate is raw, hate is 100%. Dislike is a shade of grey.

Vya Domus said:
Out of curiosity after reading many of my comments on this site, how do you categorize me based on this algorithm of yours ?
I don't categorise you. I wouldn't waste my time doing so. You're a voice on a forum.
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#16
lexluthermiester
Vya Domus said:
I don't have to prove anything because I didn't said people were , in fact, lying , read carefully what I wrote. People consider this survey to be irrelevant/inaccurate, my observation was that even if people would have lied , the result as it is would still be telling.
Let's review;
Vya Domus said:
Just the mere fact that some would be wiling to lie in this survey is incredibility telling as to how much things have changed.
Yup, that's what you said, thus my request for citation. If you can't prove it, don't make the accusation.
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#17
Vya Domus
the54thvoid said:
I know it may happen but it is not logical.
If it happens there is a rational and well defined reason as to why that happened , you can say this stuff happens randomly with no causality.

the54thvoid said:

I wouldn't waste my time doing so. You're a voice on a forum.
Well , one would say we're already wasting our time anyway on here , why not go the extra mile. :laugh:

the54thvoid said:
Oh, and don't begin to equate hate with dislike, which is what you are now doing. I agree that you may own something and dislike it. But dislike is far less serious than hate. Hate is raw, hate is 100%. Dislike is a shade of grey.
OK , I'll give you that maybe hate wasn't the right word.

lexluthermiester said:

Yup, that's what you said, thus my request for citation. If you can't prove it, don't make the accusation.
Just the mere fact that some would be wiling to lie in this survey is incredibility telling as to how much things have changed.


Dude , let it go, seriously. I made no accusation.
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#18
Dave65
Competition is always good for any industry, that being said I am very happy with both 1700 and the 2700x... Intel would have to come out with something VERY special and price competitive for me to even think about switching.
Well done, AMD!
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#19
Flyordie
Not to be a buzzkill on the poll...

But some of us still use Vishera/Bulldozer based CPUs from AMD. Would have been nice to include that in the poll. :-)

As for my future plans.. Threadripper 2 later this year.... Barring any premature failures on my current rig. Budgeting $1500 for it. (CPU/RAM/Mainboard)
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#20
Easo
When I will retire my 4790K (years, I guess...), it will definitely AMD as my choice.
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#21
Prima.Vera
I personally don't care at all about the hardware brand/vendor. For a new build or upgrade, I always pick the one that it is the best performer for a relatively decent price. It's very simple. I buy the better CPU, GPU, SSD and RAM in the same price range as competitor; and in the end all those minor performance advantages, when summed up, will make me the best system I can build without breaking the bank. So yes, I ALWAYS welcome good and strong competion between vendors and brands.
Hating or favorizing one over the other it's not just retarded, but overly dumb and stupid.
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#22
lexluthermiester
Vya Domus said:
Dude , let it go, seriously. I made no accusation.
No, I'm not letting this go. You, with the vocabulary chosen, directly implied that people participating in the poll "would" be less than honest about their vote. While I concede it is possible, how probable can it be? What would there be to gain from such a manipulation?

Thus again we arrive at the question; What evidence do you have to suggest that anyone on TPU "would" be dishonest about an answer to a poll? You can't throw out a statement that serious about your fellow community members without being willing to justify same or getting a bit a flack for saying it.
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#23
D3M1G0D
This is no surprise. Enthusiasts have been wanting more computing power for a long time. Ryzen 7 delivered the first affordable octa-core processor for the consumer market (and Ryzen 5 a very affordable hexa-core processor for the masses) so consumers naturally flocked to it. For those enthusiasts and gamers who want to do more than just play games (for me, that would be grid computing), the Ryzen 5/7 is hard to pass up. The second-gen Zen+ also seems to be a solid improvement, helping close the gap with Intel's best, but I think the real deal will be the 7nm Zen 2 (Intel had better hope they get their 10nm stuff figured out by then).

I also find it amusing how AMD is eating Intel's lunch with Threadripper. Intel created the HEDT market to pad their coffers but it's AMD who now has the most compelling platform for it, especially with 24/32-core TR 2 arriving soon. Intel made fun of AMD's "glue" approach but it is now reaping major dividends for AMD (Intel may have to soon consider using their own glue to compete, as even their largest Xeon chip can only accommodate up to 28 cores).

All in all, it's a glorious time to be an enthusiast. It's nice to see competition back in the CPU market, and all of us benefit from it. Now if only AMD can raise their game in the GPU market then things would be perfect. Here's hoping.
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#24
Hood
D3M1G0D said:
This is no surprise. Enthusiasts have been wanting more computing power for a long time. Ryzen 7 delivered the first affordable octa-core processor for the consumer market (and Ryzen 5 a very affordable hexa-core processor for the masses) so consumers naturally flocked to it. For those enthusiasts and gamers who want to do more than just play games (for me, that would be grid computing), the Ryzen 5/7 is hard to pass up. The second-gen Zen+ also seems to be a solid improvement, helping close the gap with Intel's best, but I think the real deal will be the 7nm Zen 2 (Intel had better hope they get their 10nm stuff figured out by then).

I also find it amusing how AMD is eating Intel's lunch with Threadripper. Intel created the HEDT market to pad their coffers but it's AMD who now has the most compelling platform for it, especially with 24/32-core TR 2 arriving soon. Intel made fun of AMD's "glue" approach but it is now reaping major dividends for AMD (Intel may have to soon consider using their own glue to compete, as even their largest Xeon chip can only accommodate up to 28 cores).

All in all, it's a glorious time to be an enthusiast. It's nice to see competition back in the CPU market, and all of us benefit from it. Now if only AMD can raise their game in the GPU market then things would be perfect. Here's hoping.
It's good to see more people doing more than playing games, and using the extra cores. The rise in Ryzen 5, 7 and TR popularity means that more people are doing productive work and content creation. Intel is running out of time to find their answer. The holiday season in 2018 should be memorable,
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#25
ShurikN
bug said:
Seriously, who actually hates AMD?
I can name at least 2 members right of the bat.
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