Saturday, December 2nd 2017

AMD 3rd Generation Ryzen Confirmed for Computex 2019

In a development that could explain why Intel is frantically stitching together 10 cores with the "Comet Lake" silicon, a slide leaked from a private event hosted by motherboard major GIGABYTE reveals that AMD's third generation Ryzen desktop platform could launch as early as Computex 2019 (June). The platform will include AMD's first client-segment processor based on its "Zen 2" microarchitecture, codenamed "Matisse," and its companion chipset, the AMD X570.

3rd generation Ryzen with X570 is expected to be the world's first mainstream desktop platform to feature PCI-Express gen 4.0. AMD could maintain the processor's backwards compatibility with older 300-series and 400-series chipset motherboards by shaping its PCI-Express implementation to use external re-drivers based on the motherboard. This could make 500-series motherboards slightly pricier than current AM4 motherboards. Backwards compatibility could mean that unless you really need PCIe gen 4.0, you should be able to save money by opting for older motherboards.
Sources: VideoCardz, Komachi
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25 Comments on AMD 3rd Generation Ryzen Confirmed for Computex 2019

#2
cucker tarlson
This looks good. Is it 4x4 or 2x8 though ? 2x8 ccx and pci-e 4.0 running at 4.5GHz would be great. This is what I found in google
In one Zen 2 design, AMD supposedly uses a CCX with six cores and pairs two CCX together on a single die, providing a maximum core count of 48 in a single processor. In another Zen 2 design, AMD uses a CCX with eight cores, and pairs two CCX together on a single die, providing a maximum core count of 64 in a single processor.
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#3
btarunr
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Given that Intel is preparing a 10-core skylake, I predict Matisse to be a 12-core chip with two 6-core CCX.
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#4
gmn 17
cucker tarlson said:
This looks good. Is it 4x4 or 2x8 though ? 2x8 ccx and pci-e 4.0 running at 4.5GHz would be great. This is what I found in google
My money is on 2x8
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#5
Mussels
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Looking forward to an x570 board with my 2700x, PCI-E 4.0 could be used to give them twice as many 3.0 lanes through the board as well (2x16 + 1x8, for example)
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#6
king of swag187
btarunr said:
Given that Intel is preparing a 10-core skylake, I predict Matisse to be a 12-core chip with two 6-core CCX.
At that point they might as well go 16 core, but even 12 core will kind of kill low end TR, but while also gaining ground vs intel's "Low-End" HEDT segment
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#7
Flyordie
Nah, it'll just force TR core counts up.

Which is why I went TR platform even if I just got a 1900X as a place holder till I either went with the 16 core 2950X or waited till the 7nm stuff.
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#8
silentbogo
C'mon, AMD, hold your horses. I still haven't saved enough cash for 2nd gen upgrade )))
Gonna go straight from dual-core to 16c/32t now :rockout:
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#9
R0H1T
Mussels said:
Looking forward to an x570 board with my 2700x, PCI-E 4.0 could be used to give them twice as many 3.0 lanes through the board as well (2x16 + 1x8, for example)
I don't think it works that way. 2700x is still only 3.0 so you'll be limited by the number of PCIe lanes enabled in the CPU, I know it supports more but is disabled by AMD for mainstream AM4.
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#10
lexluthermiester
silentbogo said:
C'mon, AMD, hold your horses. I still haven't saved enough cash for 2nd gen upgrade )))
Gonna go straight from dual-core to 16c/32t now :rockout:
You are gonna feel that upgrade more than most would!
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#11
ratirt
Just moved to 2700x. I wonder how much faster the 3rd gen will be. Maybe next year I will move to the 3rd gen with my x470 board :) That depends how much faster it will be from the current 2700x. Either way can't wait to see this new CPU capabilities.
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#12
silentbogo
lexluthermiester said:
You are gonna feel that upgrade more than most would!
I know... What's really sad is that my recent $200 trash build for my workshop has almost twice the CPU oomph than my home computer...
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#13
Joss
gmn 17 said:
My money is on 2x8
My money is on 2x(2x4)
btarunr said:
I predict Matisse to be a 12-core chip with two 6-core CCX
Do you know something we plebs don't?
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#14
Dammeron
Mussels said:
Looking forward to an x570 board with my 2700x, PCI-E 4.0 could be used to give them twice as many 3.0 lanes through the board as well (2x16 + 1x8, for example)
...cause You definitely need all those lanes, when 2080ti barely uses PCIe 3.0 8x bandwidth. Even adding 2 M.2 SSDs and eg. a soundcard, You still have some lanes free on current setups.
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#16
AMX85
Nothing since most of PCIE lanes are on CPU not chipset lol
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#17
qcmadness
btarunr said:
Given that Intel is preparing a 10-core skylake, I predict Matisse to be a 12-core chip with two 6-core CCX.
If there are 64-core CPU with 8 chiplets, I would expect a chiplet has 8 cores.
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#18
Mussels
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R0H1T said:
I don't think it works that way. 2700x is still only 3.0 so you'll be limited by the number of PCIe lanes enabled in the CPU, I know it supports more but is disabled by AMD for mainstream AM4.
good point, didnt think that through - they'll come from the CPU, obviously
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#19
TheinsanegamerN
All these cores, and 90% of the software available still runs on a single core or 2 cores.
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#20
qcmadness
TheinsanegamerN said:
All these cores, and 90% of the software available still runs on a single core or 2 cores.
When performance matters, the software required will be as multi-threaded as possible.
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#21
cucker tarlson
gmn 17 said:
My money is on 2x8
Most likely,but is it gonna be real 2x8 or 2x2 4 core modules like FX.
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#22
_UV_
Hype hype hype...
The reality is:
- some PCI-E 1.0 devices (NICs and SAS HBA in my experience) had troubles with 2.0 boards (only new revisions of silicon resolved it)
- early PCI-E 3.0 implementations had troubles due to boards design and firmware (Z77 boards with Ivy Bridge)
so we may have identical issues, but that is possibly true for minority of home users or workstation/server hardware
- even 2x6 CCX would starve with just 2 channels memory

My money is on second revision of x570 boards with polished firmware or even x670 with Zen2 refresh, just because other players will adapt 4.0 also.

AMD introducing new revisions of hardware too fast. First i wanted Ryzen polished and they announce refresh, so i wait for it and a week or two later after release leaks about double density CCXs, i wait for it. Now they have plans for refresh to Zen2 and assuming possible early PCI-E 4.0 issues, awaiting prolonged. 2 years more or less it doesn't matter already, even software and game developers see this trend (and also crypto craziness) and heavily optimize products to utilize current and 3-6 years old hardware.
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#23
TheLaughingMan
I just want higher clocks. 8 cores/16 threads is more than enough already. If you have extra die space, go ahead and put the iGPU in the free space and use it for low power GPU switching. I just want the CPU to bring the base clock up to 4.2 GHz with turbo in the 4.5 to 4.7 GHz range. Maybe a 2 or 4 core boost mode. Get that I will pre-order it.
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#24
king of swag187
My thought's exactly. If they can improve IPC and improve clocks to atleast 4.5ghz avg, then its going to be my next system down the line
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#25
skates
I'm thinking more and more of jumping the Intel ship and going AMD and not looking back. For all those people who harbored thoughts that Intel was hoarding unicorn chips for a rainy day; today is the rainy day and all they can do is more 14mm lake whatever knock offs. Intel isn't stuck in the mud, they are drowning in a tar pit. Of course, this is my .2 for consumer chips. I have no issues with their server components.
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