Monday, April 22nd 2019

AMD Ryzen 3 3200G Pictured and De-lidded

AMD Ryzen 3 3200G is an upcoming processor featuring integrated graphics, forming the tail-end of the company's 3rd generation Ryzen desktop processor family. A Chinese PC enthusiast with access to an early sample pictured and de-lidded the processor. We know from older posts that while the "Matisse" MCM will form the bulk of AMD's 3rd gen Ryzen lineup, with core counts ranging all the way from 6 to 12, and possibly 16 later, the APU lineup is rumored to be based on older "Zen+" architecture.

The Ryzen 3 3200G and possibly the Ryzen 5 3400G, will be based on a derivative of the "Raven Ridge" silicon built on the 12 nm process at GlobalFoundries, and comes with a handful innovations AMD introduced with "Pinnacle Ridge," such as an improved Precision Boost algorithm and faster on-die caches. The 12 nm shrink also allows AMD to dial up CPU and iGPU engine clock speeds, and improve DDR4 memory support to work with higher DRAM clock speeds. AMD has used thermal paste as the sub-IHS interface material instead of solder for its "Raven Ridge" chips, and the story repeats with the 3200G.
Sources: ChipHell Forums, ComputerBase.de
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49 Comments on AMD Ryzen 3 3200G Pictured and De-lidded

#2
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
cucker tarlson said:
what?
so this is 3000 but 12nm ?
Yes, 3200G, 3400G, and Athlon 300 are based on 12 nm "Zen+" APU. Rest are 7 nm CPU + 14 nm I/O MCMs.
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#3
silentbogo
That's one helluva die size for a chiplet "Raven Ridge" refabbed on 12 nm with a sprinkle of "Zen+" fairy dust. My hopes for integrated Navi15/Navi20 may soon come true. :roll:
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#4
Caring1
Interesting, but I want details, not just pictures.
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#5
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
silentbogo said:
That's one helluva size for a chiplet (even for 12nm). My hopes for integrated Navi15/Navi20 may soon come true. :roll:
It's not a chiplet but an SoC. It's "Raven Ridge" refabbed on 12 nm with a sprinkle of "Zen+" fairy dust.
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#6
silentbogo
btarunr said:
It's not a chiplet. It's "Raven Ridge" refabbed on 12 nm with a sprinkle of "Zen+" fairy dust.
Fixed )))))
Potato-potato. It's still goinig to be awesome.
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#7
dj-electric
With how dramatic the jump from Zen+ to Zen2, i'm really not sure about how these will go...
The question on people's mind right now must be "when we will get Zen2 based APUs"
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#8
IceShroom
btarunr said:
It's not a chiplet but an SoC. It's "Raven Ridge" refabbed on 12 nm with a sprinkle of "Zen+" fairy dust.
I think that is Picasso, not Reven Ridge.
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#9
NdMk2o1o
It's just what the 2200g/2400g should of been instead they were based on 1st gen ryzen, so likely no zen 2 apu's until 4*** series :kookoo:
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#10
notb
dj-electric said:
With how dramatic the jump from Zen+ to Zen2, i'm really not sure about how these will go...
The question on people's mind right now must be "when we will get Zen2 based APUs"
Most likely 4000-series, next year.
cucker tarlson said:
what?
so this is 3000 but 12nm ?
Hasn't this been known for months?
3000-series APU, just like mobile SoCs, are Zen+. Mobile parts are already here.
3000-series APU, technologically similar to Ryzen 2000-series, will be out in May (these are the chips that latest motherboard BIOS updates are meant for).
3000-series Ryzen (Zen2, 7nm) is expected later this year.

EPYC side is still a mystery. At this point it's still all Zen, with just 2 CPUs announced after the initial batch.
IMO they may launch Zen2 EPYC before Ryzen. Intel's offense with MCM and Optane will eat them alive otherwise.

NdMk2o1o said:
It's just what the 2200g/2400g should of been instead they were based on 1st gen ryzen, so likely no zen 2 apu's until 4*** series :kookoo:
I'm reading another thread with senior members, staff and AMD supporters struggling to get their heads around AMD's naming and lineup.
Just open a comprehensive source and learn it.
wikichip.org is not a bad place to start.

@W1zzard
Maybe you could be a good lad and write a Zen guide?
People on this forum have been confusing Zen2 and Ryzen2 for a year, but now there's a good chance AMD will be making 3 generations of CPUs (EPYC, Ryzen, APU), on 3 generations of Zen at the same time - all mixed up.
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#11
Vya Domus
dj-electric said:
"when we will get Zen2 based APUs"
When DDR5 arrives or when AMD figures a way to make up for the massive deficit in memory bandwidth that these things have. Currently there is no point in delivering a better integrated GPU.
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#12
notb
Vya Domus said:
When DDR5 arrives or when AMD figures a way to make up for the massive deficit in memory bandwidth that these things have. Currently there is no point in delivering a better integrated GPU.
I believe what people are more interested in is a 7nm APU, i.e. iGPU + 6/8 cores to compete with existing Intel's offering.

If AMD launches these with Ryzen 3000-series (July?) - great. Vega 8-11 taken straight from previous gen will be more than enough.

If they wait another year to launch these with Navi, then it's just a year of lost sales in a very profitable segment (business desktops).
Unless AMD decided that they aren't going to win a significant market share anyway, so these APUs will be 100% gaming-oriented - in which case you're right with DDR5.

It's exactly the same on the mobile front. It's been a year since Intel started selling 6-core SoCs (8C around the corner). AMD is still stuck at 4...
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#13
Mescalamba
Hm, so its like 12nm Nvidia? I guess some ppl will be a bit disappointed.
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#14
cucker tarlson
Mescalamba said:
Hm, so its like 12nm Nvidia? I guess some ppl will be a bit disappointed.
it's still old uarch
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#15
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Mescalamba said:
Hm, so its like 12nm Nvidia? I guess some ppl will be a bit disappointed.
Turing uses TSMC 12nm, while Zen+ and Polaris30 use GloFo 12nm. This chip is GloFo 12nm.
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#17
bug
So how is this 3rd gen if it's Zen+?

AMD is like a box of chocolates...
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#18
jabbadap
bug said:
So how is this 3rd gen if it's Zen+?

AMD is like a box of chocolates...
Well yeah their Ryzen APU naming has been quite miss leading from the beginning. This will most probably be called second generation Ryzen APU like their mobile counter parts are called 2nd gen AMD Ryzen Mobile processors.
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#19
notb
bug said:
So how is this 3rd gen if it's Zen+?

AMD is like a box of chocolates...
Well, if people on this forum weren't so desktop-centric, this would not be a surprise in any way. :-)
3000-series mobile SoCs were announced in January. It's basically the same chip as 2000-series (same Vega as well). They simply increased the clocks by around 5%.
jabbadap said:
Well yeah their Ryzen APU naming has been quite miss leading from the beginning. This will most probably be called second generation Ryzen APU like their mobile counter parts are called 2nd gen AMD Ryzen Mobile processors.
Of course people will look at 3000-series Ryzen (Zen2) reviews and buy 3000-series APUs (Zen+). That's how marketing works.
It's by no means better or worse than what Intel and Nvidia have been doing.

The only interesting part is how AMD-supporters will react, because they used to be very vocal about AMD's competitors' practices. :-)
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#20
bug
@notb Intel have been spinning Core for ages, but I really appreciate how Nvidia doesn't mix silicon from different generation under the same nomenclature. At least on the desktop, I haven't paid attention to their mobile parts.
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#21
R0H1T
notb said:
I believe what people are more interested in is a 7nm APU, i.e. iGPU + 6/8 cores to compete with existing Intel's offering.

If AMD launches these with Ryzen 3000-series (July?) - great. Vega 8-11 taken straight from previous gen will be more than enough.

If they wait another year to launch these with Navi, then it's just a year of lost sales in a very profitable segment (business desktops).
Unless AMD decided that they aren't going to win a significant market share anyway, so these APUs will be 100% gaming-oriented - in which case you're right with DDR5.

It's exactly the same on the mobile front. It's been a year since Intel started selling 6-core SoCs (8C around the corner). AMD is still stuck at 4...
Why does AMD need 6, 8 core APU to compete with Intel? Any AMD APU (including dozer) basically demolishes Intel chips in IGP performance & when talking about high core variants don't most people just disable IGP there?

Well that's true because APU also take more time, AMD's GPU develop asynchronously with their CPU so depending on when Navi was completed they'd get an APU anywhere between 6~12 months from the day their latest core uarch (zen2) was finalized.
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#22
ZoneDymo
quite annoyed with the paste instead of soldering, why is this even a thing/an option?
can we not just say "from now on every IHS is quality soldered on and thats that, thats just the way cpus are put together, end of story".
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#23
juiseman
I would guess it's a cost thing....
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#24
bug
ZoneDymo said:
quite annoyed with the paste instead of soldering, why is this even a thing/an option?
can we not just say "from now on every IHS is quality soldered on and thats that, thats just the way cpus are put together, end of story".
We could say "it's been tested to death and paste gets the job done just fine". But we're not doing that either, we like to pretend like we know better.
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#25
hat
Enthusiast
ZoneDymo said:
quite annoyed with the paste instead of soldering, why is this even a thing/an option?
can we not just say "from now on every IHS is quality soldered on and thats that, thats just the way cpus are put together, end of story".
I'm not sure about chips previous to Core 2 Duo, but even some lower end C2D chips (I believe E4000 series and lower) were paste. Paste is a fine cheap alternative when the chip just doesn't get very hot to begin with. I'm fine with it on low end Ryzen chips, and I'm fine with it on lower end Intel chips. K series chips, and definitely anything HEDT, should be soldered. In fact, I think i7 and up should be soldered. I think I'd be okay with i5 and under getting paste. Sadly, this is not the case, which is why I slam Intel for it a lot.
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