Friday, May 10th 2019

MSI Teases MEG X570 Ace Motherboard for Zen 2

With the 2019 Computex almost upon us, motherboard vendors are ready with socket AM4 motherboards based on AMD X570 chipset, which launches alongside the company's first wave of 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors based on the 7 nm "Zen 2" architecture. MSI put out a teaser animation of its flagship motherboard based on the AMD X570, the MEG X570 Ace. MEG, or MSI Extreme Gaming, is the company's top tier of client-segment motherboards, positioned above MPG (MSI Performance Gaming), and MAG (MSI Arsenal Gaming). Within MEG, MSI has three known sub-brands, GODLIKE, Creation, and Ace. The MEG Ace brand is the cheapest of the three, and designed to offer the most high-end features at its price-point.

Given that the company is teasing a MEG Ace product, it could be testing the waters with "Zen 2," and probably begin working on a GODLIKE product only if these processors establish a superiority over not just the i9-9900K, but also the upcoming 10-core "Comet Lake" chip. AMD's flagship is rumored to be the Ryzen 9 3850X, a mammoth 16-core/32-thread chip clocked up to 5.10 GHz. The "5 6 7" artwork with interposing "3000" indicate three distinct things: The highlighted "6" indicates onboard 802.11ax (Wi-Fi 6) controller. The 5 and 7 could indicate the X570 chipset. The "3000" of course references Ryzen 3000 series.
Source: MSI Gaming (Twitter)
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25 Comments on MSI Teases MEG X570 Ace Motherboard for Zen 2

#1
lynx29
don't forget MSI said ryzen was a joke at first. huhu
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#2
EarthDog
lynx29 said:

don't forget MSI said ryzen was a joke at first. huhu
Huh?
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#3
Hardware Geek
I hope the rumors of 5.1ghz boost are accurate. I'm guessing they won't overclock much past that if they are accurate, but if they even match the IPC of Intel at that frequency, Intel will need to drop prices considerably to stay competitive. I've been waiting for the 3000 series for my next build. I haven't been this excited to build a new computer since I built my first computer, which was a K6-2 back when overclocking was done with jumpers.
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#4
TheLostSwede
Hardware Geek said:

I hope the rumors of 5.1ghz boost are accurate. I'm guessing they won't overclock much past that if they are accurate, but if they even match the IPC of Intel at that frequency, Intel will need to drop prices considerably to stay competitive. I've been waiting for the 3000 series for my next build. I have been this excited to build a new computer since I built my first computer, which was a K6-2 back when overclocking was done with jumpers.
Trust me, you're going to be pleased with what AMD has coming. I'm not going to say I know the final clock speeds, but this past week, AMD has been in Taiwan and has handed out a final round of Engineers Samples (ES) to the motherboard makers and spent a day with each of them, showing what the chips can do. I can't really say more than that, but it's looking really good.
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mumar1
Hardware Geek said:

I hope the rumors of 5.1ghz boost are accurate. I'm guessing they won't overclock much past that if they are accurate, but if they even match the IPC of Intel at that frequency, Intel will need to drop prices considerably to stay competitive. I've been waiting for the 3000 series for my next build. I have been this excited to build a new computer since I built my first computer, which was a K6-2 back when overclocking was done with jumpers.
IPC of Zen+ is on par with Intel
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#6
lynx29
EarthDog said:

Huh?
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/msi-apologizes-for-disparaging-amd-in-favor-of-nvidia-on-facebook/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/03/25/msi-is-saying-some-crazy-things-about-amd-graphics-cards/#38bc96481658


<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/873i2q" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amd/comments/873i2q</a>


so thats the grapics cards scandal and here is the ryzen

https://www.techpowerup.com/254669/msi-issues-clarification-on-next-gen-amd-cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards?cp=5

I doubt this is true, the customer support agent was prob telling truth, MSI just was testing waters and had no choice but to backtrack.
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#7
Hardware Geek
mumar1 said:

IPC of Zen+ is on par with Intel
I know they were quite close, but I thought they were slightly lagging. I don't know for certain since I haven't personally tested them. Frankly, I'd be happy to be wrong and see AMD take the lead definitively. Either way, I'm fairly certain my next build will be an AMD build unless Intel pulls a rabbit out of a hat and hits the market with something they haven't announced, but that's exceedingly unlikely. I'm not loyal to either company so it really comes down to performance for the price, and right now AMD seems to have the lead by a good bit already from that perspective and I assume the next gen will increase the value proposition substantially.
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#8
EarthDog
lynx29 said:

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/msi-apologizes-for-disparaging-amd-in-favor-of-nvidia-on-facebook/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/03/25/msi-is-saying-some-crazy-things-about-amd-graphics-cards/#38bc96481658


<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/873i2q" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amd/comments/873i2q</a>


so thats the grapics cards scandal and here is the ryzen

https://www.techpowerup.com/254669/msi-issues-clarification-on-next-gen-amd-cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards?cp=5

I doubt this is true, the customer support agent was prob telling truth, MSI just was testing waters and had no choice but to backtrack.
Sweet jebus man... hook line and sinker, you. o_O
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#9
Mats
mumar1 said:
IPC of Zen+ is on par with Intel
I guess it's pretty close. On the other hand, latencies and clock speeds are not, and that's what makes the difference in the end.

The Matisse clock speed seems to go higher if all the rumors are any indication, and the IPC as well.

Unfortunately, people have been mixing up that 15 % higher performance with 15 % IPC. I guess it's hard to read correctly when the hype train is running at full speed. :D

Latencies tho, I really wonder if it can be improved while using multiple chips for a CPU, that's still the million dollar question.
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TheLostSwede
Mats said:

Latencies tho, I really wonder if it can be improved while using multiple chips for a CPU, that's still the million dollar question.
This is currently the really big unknown part. We're looking at a different architecture than the previous two generations, so AMD has quite a bit to prove in this department. I have seen a single benchmark and it says nothing about memory latencies.
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#11
medi01
After MSI's CEO went rambling about helping Intel "win back market share", there is that awkward feeling, when reading news with AMD and MSI in it.
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#12
Mats
TheLostSwede said:
I have seen a single benchmark and it says nothing about memory latencies.
I was just about to ask if you've seen any improvements (no figures).


When was the last time AMD had a product as competitive as Matisse, what's your take? ;)
Yeah, maybe I'm asking to much here..
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#13
zlobby
lynx29 said:

don't forget MSI said ryzen was a joke at first. huhu
The irony is multi-layered here. First MSI CEO said AMD were insignificant to MSI's business. Second, the real joke are MSI's products.
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#14
TheLostSwede
Mats said:

I was just about to ask if you've seen any improvements (no figures).


When was the last time AMD had a product as competitive as Matisse, what's your take? ;)
Yeah, maybe I'm asking to much here..
Let's just say that the number wasn't at stock clock and even so, the benchmark in question isn't really that memory speed sensitive.

The FX chips? I don't want to get peoples hopes up too much, but I have a hard time seeing anyone being disappointed with what AMD has coming. Obviously it'll come down to pricing, as so many things. Expect more expensive motherboards, as I've mentioned around the forums before.
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#15
R0H1T
Mats said:

Unfortunately, people have been mixing up that 15 % higher performance with 15 % IPC.
Not sure who's doing that but the performance, if all stars line up, will be 20~30% higher than zen 2xxx of course YMWV depending on applications run.
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#16
Mats
Yeah, the single core FX was fast, and expensive. The thought of AMD slashing the prices, coincidentally with when they have a very competitive new product (yeah, makes sense, right? /s)
sounds weird to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the price is cut a bit for 6 and 8 core, but above those it will cost a bit more.

Remember, Ryzen 1800X started at $500. The FX-53 was $900. Those prices clearly reflects how competitive they are.
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#17
TheLostSwede
Mats said:

Yeah, the single core FX was fast, and expensive. The thought of AMD slashing the prices, coincidentally with when they have a very competitive new product (yeah, makes sense, right? /s)
sounds weird to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the price is cut a bit for 6 and 8 core, but above those it will cost a bit more.

Remember, Ryzen 1800X started at $500. The FX-53 was $900. Those prices clearly reflects how competitive they are.
No worries, it won't be FX prices.
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#18
Mats
TheLostSwede said:
No worries, it won't be FX prices.
I guess we can thank Threadripper for that.
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#19
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Gaming nomenclature is ridiculous...
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#20
HD64G
Mats said:

I guess it's pretty close. On the other hand, latencies and clock speeds are not, and that's what makes the difference in the end.

The Matisse clock speed seems to go higher if all the rumors are any indication, and the IPC as well.

Unfortunately, people have been mixing up that 15 % higher performance with 15 % IPC. I guess it's hard to read correctly when the hype train is running at full speed. :D

Latencies tho, I really wonder if it can be improved while using multiple chips for a CPU, that's still the million dollar question.
I only guess that a big part of the IPC gains are in the new die that connect to the chiplets. And in turn a big part of this improvement is on the latencies. A few days more to find out more.
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#21
Valantar
HD64G said:

I only guess that a big part of the IPC gains are in the new die that connect to the chiplets. And in turn a big part of this improvement is on the latencies. A few days more to find out more.
Zen2 is a significant architecture update with already known and widely reported changes to the execution pipeline, shown and told of by AMD themselves. That's where the IPC gain is most likely to come from. Any gains from an LLC in the I/O die or reduced latency from the updated IF will be icing on the cake.
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#22
B-Real
Mats said:

Yeah, the single core FX was fast, and expensive. The thought of AMD slashing the prices, coincidentally with when they have a very competitive new product (yeah, makes sense, right? /s)
sounds weird to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the price is cut a bit for 6 and 8 core, but above those it will cost a bit more.

Remember, Ryzen 1800X started at $500. The FX-53 was $900. Those prices clearly reflects how competitive they are.
Well, these are the rumoured prices:

Ryzen 9 3850X—16C/32T, 4.3GHz to 5.1GHz, 135W TDP, $499
Ryzen 9 3800X—16C/32T, 3.9GHz to 4.7GHz, 125W TDP, $449
Ryzen 7 3700X—12C/24T, 4.2GHz to 5.0GHz, 105W TDP, $329
Ryzen 7 3700—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 95W TPD, $299
Ryzen 5 3600X—8C/16T, 4.0GHz to 4.8GHz, 95W TDP, $229
Ryzen 5 3600—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $178
Ryzen 3 3300X—6C/12T, 3.5GHz to 4.3GHz, 65W TDP, $129
Ryzen 3 3300—6C/12T, 3.2GHz to 4.0GHz, 50W TDP, $99

According to this, the 3600 would be $21 cheaper than the 2600 and the 3600X, 3700 and 3700X would cost the same as the Zen+ equivalents. If you compare the 3850X to the 2950X (in terms of core number), it is $400 less than the Threadripper. Which would be quite amazing.
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#23
lynx29
If 3850x launches at $499 with those exact specs I will gladly buy one. any higher though and I will pass. that is one sweet deal at $499 though, might be last cpu i buy for a solid 7 years or more. my 2500k lasted 6 years.
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#24
Mats
B-Real said:

Well
You forgot the part of the rumor that said they would launch in January. :D

That's way too low. A low price would be the next 8 core to be right between the launch price of the 2600X and the 2700X, ie $280. Anything lower wouldn't make sense to me.

The 2700X got cheaper than the 1700X, most likely because of the competition, but the situation is a lot different now. There's no point in selling the 8 core for half the price of Intels 8 core, that's just really bad business. (And don't say it's for grabbing market share, my guess is that making money is more important for AMD right now.)

Have the prices EVER dropped that much in the past when a competitive CPU has been launched?
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#25
kapone32
This is why I never sold my X470 Taichi. It also explains why some X470 boards come with 2 4 pins for the CPU. A 16 core CPU on AM4 would be epic indeed.
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