Tuesday, April 16th 2019
MSI Issues Clarification on Next-Gen AMD CPU Support on 300-series Motherboards
It has come to our attention that MSI Customer Support has regrettably misinformed an MSI customer with regards to potential support for next-gen AMD CPUs on the MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM motherboard. Through this statement we want clarify the current situation.
At this point, we are still performing extensive testing on our existing lineup of 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards to verify potential compatibility for the next-gen AMD Ryzen CPUs. To be clear: Our intention is to offer maximum compatibility for as many MSI products as possible. Towards the launch of the next-gen AMD CPUs, we will release a compatibility list of MSI AM4 motherboards. Below is a full list of upcoming BIOS versions which include compatibility for the next-gen AMD APUs for our 300-Series and 400-Series AM4 motherboards based on the latest AMD Combo PI version 1.0.0.0. These BIOS versions are expected to be released in May this year.
At this point, we are still performing extensive testing on our existing lineup of 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards to verify potential compatibility for the next-gen AMD Ryzen CPUs. To be clear: Our intention is to offer maximum compatibility for as many MSI products as possible. Towards the launch of the next-gen AMD CPUs, we will release a compatibility list of MSI AM4 motherboards. Below is a full list of upcoming BIOS versions which include compatibility for the next-gen AMD APUs for our 300-Series and 400-Series AM4 motherboards based on the latest AMD Combo PI version 1.0.0.0. These BIOS versions are expected to be released in May this year.
158 Comments on MSI Issues Clarification on Next-Gen AMD CPU Support on 300-series Motherboards
This is official word form MSI's CEO : (Link Tomshardware)
www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-ceo-interview-intel-shortage-amd,38473.html
News is supposed to be factual, pure and simple: you give people the information in as impartial a manner as possible, they draw their own conclusions from it. Introducing emotive language and weasel words like "betrayal" and "greed" into a news report transforms it into an opinion piece that attempts to manipulate the reader into agreeing with the views presented. It also makes the likelihood of legal action far higher: it's very difficult to sue someone for reporting the facts, but attempting to build a narrative from those facts makes it very easy for lawyers to start throwing around terms like "defamation".
Why are opinion pieces presented as news dangerous? Because they make you question the motives of the person writing, and the organisation publishing, that article. For example, would I not be justified in wondering if perhaps one of MSI's competitors paid TPU to "report" this rumour in a way that makes MSI look terrible - especially when TPU is the only site that treated this information in this way? What if MSI decides to sue TPU for defamation, which - in my opinion - they absolutely would be justified in doing?
What bta posted yesterday was absolutely not news, it was tabloid/yellow journalism at its worst, and that is bad in so many ways because it opens up so many cans of worms around credibility and legal liability. TPU needs to stop doing this because it is actively harming their brand and their reputation. A "news" strategy around maximising clicks works well in the short term, but invariably fails in the long term because people stop trusting the biased news source and hence stop visiting it.
if i would be a mod i wouldn't allow any comment and problem solved
'Censoring' peoples opinions would only aggravate the situation further. People have the right to debate the goings on in the forums as well as the parts of the forums that irks them or they have an issue with.
Because without people clicking on TPU or forum members staying active and keeping TPU alive. TPU might as well shut down for good because whats the point of TPU if its a dead site?
Why do you think some people are so many that the Epic store doesnt allow them to leave reviews? Its basically a similar situation here.
It seems like TPU are falling into the realms of polygon, IGN, Eurogamer and to a lesser point Kotaku by sensationalizing or hyping certain stories for clicks.
Even if you complain the captain of this ship wont divert its course. Either put up or find a new tech site to frequent on.
Tabloids outsell serious press. This is what people want. This is what makes money. That's all based on your assumption that TPU should handle this like The Times, not The Sun.
It's not about reporting truth. It's about reporting.
You put a story about "greedy MSI" on the front page on Monday and a tiny correction on the 3rd page on Tuesday. That's how it's been done for generations. TPU isn't innovating in any way. Honestly, I've never seen TPU as having aspiration to be serious. I don't know why you did.
No offense, but just few years back TPU was doing a series about hostesses on gaming events. Have you forgot?
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/?category=Booth Babes
TPU is a decentralized amateur project: there is no office, there is no actual company behind it and there's hardly any liability for the content they post. It's slightly grey market, unofficial. It aims a particular niche of consumers. It's not very open for other stuff.
It has it's charm. It's just not for everyone.
And if TPU isn't/shouldn't be taken seriously, then what's left for most other "tech" websites out there, whose "reviews" are so haphazardly made that they are borderline unboxings. Not that this isn't also present here on TPU at times, but the most important reviews (CPU and GPU) are some of the best out there. Yes, they do outsell the serious press, however I was under the impression TPU wasn't in that category. I was also under the impression that TPU was closer to a hobby project, and not made exclusively with profitability in mind. Of course, I could be wrong. That is based on my assumption that TPU should handle things in general in a professional and objective manner. As any respectable news outlet should.
If TPU wants "teh moneyz from clikz", then can go the BuzzFeed route, but I doubt that would go well with its core audience, which is TPU's core audience for a reason. I cannot believe I actually read that. Is this some kind of a sick joke?
Of course it's about reporting the truth. Otherwise we move into gossip, and maybe even straight out lies territory. The point isn't that TPU reported something incorrectly and then issued an update/correction. The point is that this update/correction would not have been necessary at all and that this whole ordeal could have been avoided if the people responsible for the "news" publication kept their heads cool, exercised a bit of patience, and handled the issue a bit differently.
By your logic, TPU can just report every single rumor that appears on Twitter/Reddit/whatever, regardless how outlandish it might sound. They can always issue corrections later, right?
EDIT... Then let me put it this way. We who criticize how TPU handled this do it because we want to hold TPU to the high standards it has set for itself throughout its lifetime.
I'm not getting involved but what does matter is that the initial article, regardless of your view of it, is updated and superceded by this one. That is the basis of truthful news. Get it wrong (ish) and then make a correction. When people talk about fake news, that is something very different and far more insidious. Fake news does not correct itself. At least TPU has.
Databases? Software development? Where? GPUs reviews are easy to read and compare which is pretty much all you can expect. It's gaming. Not much more can be done.
CPU reviews are badly thought out - showing very little interest in real life scenarios (other than gaming, obviously).
While I don't know much about overclocking and can't comment on that, I do know one or two things about measuring noise or airflow, so I see some methodology problems there.
TPU also makes reviews of many other products. Some are good (cases), some are average at best.
And some are just weird (gaming chair, seriously?).
It makes you think TPU reviews everything they get from manufacturers (which I understand if that's the source of income). I guess they would at least want to cover the costs. But they're not doing this exclusively (at least not those that have linkedin profiles). All news agencies make mistakes - even the best, serious ones. They all post corrections. That's how it works. You can't confirm everything. You can't be sure your source is correct. And you can make simple mistakes on the way.
Problem with the original MSI text is not the content, but how it was written. I'm not saying they should do this or that I'd like it. But it's one of the ways. Potentialy quite successful if we measured it by number of views.
The CPU, GPU and review databases? The "Databases" drop-down menu on the website?
GPU-Z, Memtest64, Real Temp, TPUCapture? The "Our Software" drop-down menu on the website?
I hope I don't need to provide a screenshot. Cases reviews are good? Really? No thermal and noise (some of the primary parameters of a chassis) testing and measurements puts those reviews in the "glorified unboxing" category. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, however, there is a difference between doing your best to avoid making said mistakes and being negligent (whether it is for clicks, or laziness, or something else).
Well played TPU, Well played.
We as a community expect from TPU some proper Journalism because this is what we have been used to , im afraid that the original article was exactly the opposite . Instead of roasting MSI like they did in the original article based on what is objectively minimal evidence , TPU staff should had simply presented the facts and reached MSI for official comments . Then and only then make a follow-up with conclusions !
This is how proper journalism works otherwise you are doing sensationnalisme , something we are not used to on TPU and hopefully never be ! After having multiple discussions with the guy i came to the same conclusion .... well this or it's a natural gift :laugh:
I always liked the displayed hardware and its packaging.
At this point, we are still performing extensive testing on our existing lineup of 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards to verify potential compatibility for the next-gen AMD Ryzen CPUs. To be clear: Our intention is to offer maximum compatibility for as many MSI products as possible. Towards the launch of the next-gen AMD CPUs, we will release a compatibility list of MSI AM4 motherboards.
Source: Forbes.
See this is the issue here you come up with the assumption that MSI indeed intented to not support 300series and that TPU message made it clear to them it was a wrong move but the thing is such an assumption is totally or partially false since it can't be verified after you pulled the guns . Hence why TPU should had asked MSI for official statement before making any conclusion ( read pulling the guns ) in order to verify this assumption , had TPU done such a thing we would had all been 100% behind TPU !
Saying you agree with the first article because you see the general picture is like saying you open fire on a group of 10 peoples because you assumed there was 1 armed guy among them , you kill them all then it turns out that none of them was armed but you don't regret cause it sends a message to the rest ....... well im sorry but this is not journalism nommater what picture you see !
I hope i made it as clear as possible .
A news site exaggerates a bit, while still saying the truth with the official information handled, everybody losses their minds.
Remember people that the official word once said that Afghanistan had WMDs, and that a small plane hit one of the towers. If journalism didn't push, we would know nothing, Jon Snow.