Monday, May 27th 2019

AMD Announces Radeon RX 5700 Based on Navi: RDNA, 7nm, PCIe Gen4, GDDR6

AMD at its 2019 Computex keynote today unveiled the Radeon RX 5000 family of graphics cards that leverage its new Navi graphics architecture and 7 nm silicon fabrication process. Navi isn't just an incremental upgrade over Vega with a handful new technologies, but the biggest overhaul to AMD's GPU SIMD design since Graphics CoreNext, circa 2011. Called RDNA or Radeon DNA, the new compute unit by AMD is a clean-slate SIMD design with a 1.25X IPC uplift over Vega, an overhauled on-chip cache hierarchy, and a more streamlined graphics pipeline.

In addition, the architecture is designed to increase performance-per-Watt by 50 percent over Vega. The first part to leverage Navi is the Radeon RX 5700. AMD ran a side-by-side demo of the RX 5700 versus the GeForce RTX 2070 at Strange Brigade, where NVIDIA's $500 card was beaten. "Strange Brigade" is one game where AMD fares generally well as it is heavily optimized for asynchonous compute. Navi also ticks two big technology check-boxes, PCI-Express gen 4.0, and GDDR6 memory. AMD has planned a July availability for the RX 5700, and did not disclose pricing.
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202 Comments on AMD Announces Radeon RX 5700 Based on Navi: RDNA, 7nm, PCIe Gen4, GDDR6

#1
xkm1948
no real time ray tracing tho
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#2
Metroid
xkm1948 said:

no real time ray tracing tho
As is it really mattered at this time, although i have to agree with you here as it will power playstation 5 and probably other consoles. So it was a disappointment nothing was said about ray tracing.
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#3
Divide Overflow
AMD has a chance to shake things up with aggressive pricing.
Wait and see how well this actually performs in a full, hands on review though.
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#4
EarthDog
xkm1948 said:

no real time ray tracing tho
I think more people will care more about the typo (to = two) in the OP than they will about RT hardware not being on board Navi. Maybe next gen, if they think its worth it. Right now, NVIDIA is swimming in a lonely pond. :)

Anyway, it all matters about price and performance overall, not just this title. It looks like power use will go down to so overall it seems solid (price tho?). It would be great if it was 2070 or better for a cheaper price. Perhaps NVIDIA will drop their prices.
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#5
Metroid
I'm happy they are moving from gnc 125% to rdna 150% as they said. It was time to.
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#6
ZoneDymo
once again, I say its all about the price, they cherry picked some obscure title that just happen to favor AMD so realistically this RX5700 will probably in general trade blows with the RTX2070 which is fine as long as the price is nice and low.
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#7
tfdsaf
AMD's Navi will support ray tracing, but won't have dedicated hardware for it in these first gen desktop graphic cards. This is actually a positive as barely any game features ray tracing and even those that do are very limited in scope and offer terrible performance.

So for AMD its smarter to offer a smaller die size at competitive prices and better power consumption, rather than adding dedicated ray tracing hardware and increasing their die size for no real benefits in actual games.

I expect their RX 3600 to debut at $350, their RX 3700 at $450, their RX 3800(later down the line) for $650, their RX 3500 for $250
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#8
Windyson
<Strange Brigade>, Pro A game.

RX5700, 2560sp, 2GHz, 195W (compared to Vega64)
4096sp × 1.55GHz ÷ 2560sp ÷ 1.25 ≈ 2GHz
295W ÷ 1.5 ≈ 195W
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#9
Metroid
tfdsaf said:

I expect their RX 3600 to debut at $350, their RX 3700 at $450, their RX 3800(later down the line) for $650, their RX 3500 for $250
Nomenclature changed, as per the title, RX 5700. Lisa said was amd's 50's years anniversary.
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#10
Countryside
xkm1948 said:

no real time ray tracing tho
It just works
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#11
ratirt
Yeah it is always about the price. 2070RTX performance. Wonder what power consumption that rx5700 has. Also the alias RX 5700, is it like an equivalency of the RX 570? If so, AMD is kicking things up a notch. Wonder if there will be any other RX5000 series we can expect? Like RX 5800 maybe with the 2080RTX performance mark? That would be great.
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#13
Ibotibo01
tfdsaf said:

I expect their RX 3600 to debut at $350, their RX 3700 at $450, their RX 3800(later down the line) for $650, their RX 3500 for $250
If this prices was true, It would be too expensive.
AMD tested to Strange Brigade which is AMD's DX12 game. For example, in this game RX 570 is faster than GTX 1660. Also RX 580 is same with GTX 1660 Ti. This is certainly AMD's strategy. I think RTX 2060 is faster than RX 5700 in Nvidia's games such as Witcher 3 (also AC Odyssey). I disappointed for AMD's Computex. In addition, I don't like Ryzen 7's 8 cores 16 threads. I hope that AMD will release R7 12 cores 24 threads.
I don't like this gen(Ryzen 2 and RX Navi) maybe i will buy Ryzen 4000.
High end AMD GPU's
RX5700=RTX 2060+%5-10 for 400 Dollars
RX5800=RTX 2070 for 500 Dollars
Med-Low tier GPU's
RX3060=GTX 1650
RX3070=GTX1660
RX3080=GTX 1660-GTX 1660 Ti
(Most games)
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#14
ratirt
Ibotibo01 said:

If this prices was true, It would be too expensive.
AMD tested to Strange Brigade which is AMD's DX12 game. For example, in this game RX 570 is faster than GTX 1660. Also RX 580 is same with GTX 1660 Ti. This is certainly AMD's strategy. I think RTX 2060 is faster than RX 5700 in Nvidia's games such as Witcher 3 (also AC Odyssey). I disappointed for AMD's Computex. In addition, I don't like Ryzen 7's 8 cores 16 threads. I hope that AMD will release R7 12 cores 24 threads.
I don't like this gen(Ryzen 2 and RX Navi) maybe i will buy Ryzen 4000.
High end AMD GPU's
RX5700=RTX 2060+%5-10 for 400 Dollars
RX5800=RTX 2070 for 500 Dollars
Med-Low tier GPU's
RX3060=GTX 1650
RX3070=GTX1660
RX3080=GTX 1660-GTX 1660 Ti
(Most games)
I don't think your statement is entirely correct. It is said that the Navi RX5700 is faster and more energy efficient than Vega. Of course we don't know which Vega but presumably Vega 64. Vega 56 beats 1660 TI in the performance summary. Vega 64 beats 2060 TI in performance summary for 1440p and 4k except 1080p which is 2% behind. (All depends on the game suite I looked at TPU's). So if RX5700 is faster than Vega 64 it is obvious we are talking about a card faster than 2060 and not just with "strange brigade".
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#16
R0H1T
ratirt said:

I don't think your statement is entirely correct. It is said that the Navi RX5700 is faster and more energy efficient than Vega. Of course we don't know which Vega but presumably Vega 64.
That can't be right or at least for AMD's sake it ought to be Vega VII i.e. if they want to get anywhere in the mid range segment. The IPC is the same for all Vegas I guess, it mostly boils down to efficiency & if Navi is barely efficient to the level of VII then AMD might as well shut the RTG division for the time being!
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#17
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
LocutusH said:

I dont see HDMI 2.1? Why?
It was announced in January, too late to put into Navi. Arcturus might have it.


I want to know how many transistors it has.
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#18
londiste
Strange Brigade for comparison is meaningless. The game is known to lean anywhere from 10-20% towards AMD GPUs. We will have to wait for July to see how they really stack up.
Both 1.25x "IPC" as well as 1.5x power efficiency sound really good, that should bring Navi up to par with Turing, hopefully a little ahead considering it is on 7nm.
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#19
HTC
londiste said:

Strange Brigade for comparison is meaningless. The game is known to lean anywhere from 10-20% towards AMD GPUs. We will have to wait for July to see how they really stack up.
Both 1.25x "IPC" as well as 1.5x power efficiency sound really good, that should bring Navi up to par with Turing, hopefully a little ahead considering it is on 7nm.
Not necessarily: we know if favors AMD's GCN family, like you said, but it's not yet know if the same is true with this new arch.

We'll have to wait and see.
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#20
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Strange Brigade is probably the only game QA'd to run on RDNA (terrible name).
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#21
Vayra86
cucker tarlson said:

strange brigade only? it must be really,really bad.

It is. This is a PR- release. RDNA... to get rid of the complaints about 'old GCN'. 50% perf/watt... on 7nm and versus Vega (lol!), remember Radeon VII? Big naming scheme numbers to hide another shrink with some tweaks. By the way, I can already see the new slogan that will make you cringe...'AMD, gamer's DNA, with Radeon'... pass the bucket pls

And the price point is retarded.

As for the no RT... that to me is the most interesting bit of it all, and mostly when thinking about the next consoles. There's a good chance we won't see a same or similar Navi in there, surely they will have to come up with something.
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#22
cucker tarlson
Vayra86 said:

It is. This is a PR- release. RDNA... to get rid of the complaints about 'old GCN'. 50% perf/watt... on 7nm and versus Vega (lol!), remember Radeon VII? Big naming scheme numbers to hide another shrink with some tweaks.

And the price point is retarded.
I think those "RDNA" perf/wat gains are 14nm-7nm largely.Note how they did not compare R7 but Vega.

FordGT90Concept said:

Strange Brigade is probably the only card QA'd to run on RDNA (terrible name).
more like DARN :laugh:
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#23
Ibotibo01
ratirt said:

So if RX5700 is faster than Vega 64 it is obvious we are talking about a card faster than 2060 and not just with "strange brigade".
I don't think so. RX 5700 is %10 faster than RTX 2070 in Strange Brigade but Radeon 7 is %20 faster than RTX 2080. So it won't be same with RTX 2070. I think it will be same with RTX 2060. RX 5800 will be same with RTX 2070.
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#24
R0H1T
I don't see the VII in there?
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#25
Nima
Ibotibo01 said:

If this prices was true, It would be too expensive.
AMD tested to Strange Brigade which is AMD's DX12 game. For example, in this game RX 570 is faster than GTX 1660. Also RX 580 is same with GTX 1660 Ti. This is certainly AMD's strategy. I think RTX 2060 is faster than RX 5700 in Nvidia's games such as Witcher 3 (also AC Odyssey). I disappointed for AMD's Computex. In addition, I don't like Ryzen 7's 8 cores 16 threads. I hope that AMD will release R7 12 cores 24 threads.
I don't like this gen(Ryzen 2 and RX Navi) maybe i will buy Ryzen 4000.
High end AMD GPU's
RX5700=RTX 2060+%5-10 for 400 Dollars
RX5800=RTX 2070 for 500 Dollars
Med-Low tier GPU's
RX3060=GTX 1650
RX3070=GTX1660
RX3080=GTX 1660-GTX 1660 Ti
(Most games)
Yeah, they used just one small, non popular game which heavily favors AMD for showing Navi's strength and even then it can barely beat the competition, it's clear, Navi will be a disappointment. it does not even have RT cores and it will be on next gen consoles. that's a disaster for us PC gamers since we are Stuck with ported games from these consoles with dated technology for at least the next 6 years.
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