Friday, July 5th 2019

AMD to Slash Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" Series Prices Ahead of Launch: $399 & $349

NVIDIA attempted to torpedo the Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" series graphics card launch with the introduction of its $499 GeForce RTX 2070 Super and $399 RTX 2060 Super. AMD claimed that its upcoming Radeon RX 5700 XT outperformed the original RTX 2070, while its smaller sibling, the RX 5700 outperforms the original RTX 2060. In its E3-2019 reveal, AMD disclosed launch prices of the RX 5700 XT and the RX 5700 to be USD $449 and $379, respectively. The RTX Super launch jeopardizes this, and so, according to VideoCardz, AMD is revising its launch prices.

The Radeon RX 5700 XT now reportedly launches at just $399, while the Radeon RX 5700 is priced at $349. The RX 5700 XT is claimed to beat the original RTX 2070, while the $399 RTX 2060 Super is slower than the RTX 2070. On the other hand, the RX 5700, which was claimed to beat the $349 original RTX 2060, is now price-matched with it, unless NVIDIA comes up with price-cuts. Older reports suggested that with the advent of the RTX Super series, NVIDIA would retire the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070, after the market digests inventories left in the channel. AMD's latest move is sure to disturb that digestion.

Update Jul 6th: This has been confirmed officially by AMD here.
Source: VideoCardz
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169 Comments on AMD to Slash Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" Series Prices Ahead of Launch: $399 & $349

#101
Vayra86
Vya Domus, post: 4075314, member: 169281"
400$ still isn't cheap for a chip of this class.
Sure, but that wasn't what you said. But we needn't dwell on it further.

Let this be the confirmation for you that the market reality is the ONLY reality. Any company can talk, market and promote its ass off, but normal competition does work and it always works the exact same way. It causes price drops. The market is my crystal ball... you can predict many things in tech by just looking at what would be viable. Remember Turing... we're already looking at several value propositions today with the 2060 vanilla and the recent 2070 SUPER, both cards pushing the perf/dollar ahead and neither of them Turing launch cards.

Just wait a liiiiitle bit longer boys. It will only get better. Let that lack of sale mature a bit for green & red.
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#102
Assimilator
Razrback16, post: 4075226, member: 177333"
Question - I haven't ran AMD cards for probably 6-8 years, so I am curious - do all AMD cards support multi gpu these days? I haven't kept up on their architecture with regard to multi gpu support.

Thanks.
Multi-GPU is dead. Don't waste your time on it.
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#103
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Competition is good! Now if we could only get some competition from AMD in anything beyond the mid-range...
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#104
15th Warlock
HenrySomeone, post: 4075305, member: 186988"
Only the 9700 Pro was faster for a noteworthy amount of time, not even being beaten by the 5800 ultra 6 months later, all others were equal (X800Xt + lacking Shader model 3.0) or just released slightly ahead; 7970 was beaten bloody just 2 months later by the 680 and 290x wasn't even faster than the then almost year old 780 when both were OCed, not to even mention the Titan and the 780TI just 2 weeks later. AMD has been nothing but a follower for more than a decade now (a very poor one in the last 5 years)
No, the Titan came before the 290X, at almost double the price, I know this because I had a Titan SLI rig at the time.

Back then AMD kept Nvidia on its toes, even the 680 was a reactionary measured to counteract the 7970 for $50 less, I know too cuz I had a quad 680 setup at the time.

The point is, back then, both Nvidia and AMD kept going back a forth in both terms of pricing and performance through their whole product stack.

Now that AMD is not competitive at the high end, Nvidia can price their cards as they please and still hold the performance crown.

Competition is good for all costumers.
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#105
B-Real
medi01, post: 4075036, member: 158537"
So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super, consumes less power and costs 5% less, but still needs "price fixing" eh? Because of that DXR, that works in less than 1% of the titles and weven where it does, most users disable it on 2060?

Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.
It's quite weird you ask AMD not to lower prices. Never seen one guy do that before. :D It's always welcomed to see price reduction anywhere, including PC hardware.

Anyway, there is a Polish leak of the RX5700 and XT benchmarks.

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-5700-series-review-leaks-out-at-polish-website.html

Actually the RX5700 seem to be performing very close to the RTX 2060 Super, which would be great for $50 less. The $100 cheaper RX5700 XT also seems a much better price/performance option. But I agree, a 1 or 2 game bundle would be so much better than a 3 month Game Pass.

Fluffmeister, post: 4075038, member: 101373"
A price drop BEFORE launch? Looks like the new super cards have worked their magic and done consumers a favour.
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Raendor, post: 4075039, member: 164683"
Indeed. Amd fanboys should thank NVIDIA for better priced navi, although it’s still carrying over the lackluster gcn legacy.
Yeah, the Super release wasn't because NV had about 49% decrease in GPU sales since RTX released.

I No, post: 4075058, member: 165756"
But alas at least there are options for mid-range.... oh wait that's how it was for the past 3 years now... AMD needs to start competing for the high-end asap, they are funneling potential customers to nvidia with each new gen even if they keep saying that the money is in the mid-range that didn't work out so well for RTG since the RX 480 was out, now that Freesync works with nvidia's line-up it's actually even harder for AMD to make a strong selling point. At the end of the day it's RTG's work at it's finest, release a card, the competition is trashing them, price cut.
Why the hack would AMD need that? Have you checked GPU sales? Maybe 5-10% of gamers have cards like 1080 or above. They need to provide better valued mid and mid-high range cards consistently. Of course it would be nice if they could compete with NV in the high-end too. Maybe one day. They did it with Ryzen, it will come in the GPU market too.
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#106
Totally
medi01, post: 4075036, member: 158537"
So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super, consumes less power and costs 5% less, but still needs "price fixing" eh? Because of that DXR, that works in less than 1% of the titles and weven where it does, most users disable it on 2060?

Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.
Wat?
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#107
Vayra86
B-Real, post: 4075357, member: 170068"
Yeah, the Super release wasn't because NV had about 49% decrease in GPU sales since RTX released.
Got a source for that? Damn.
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#108
B-Real
Manu_PT, post: 4075094, member: 168799"
I see too much bla bla bla here. AMD lowered the prices for one reason only. They aren´t as good as people think and will be inferior to Nvidia previously comparable offers. As simple as that. I´m on this industry for almost 2 decades. You can find the excuses you want. Slashing prices on a non released product is never good. See you in 2 days on the reviews.
https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=news&action=file&id=32793

I don't see that. RX5700 seems to perform similar to the RTX 2060 Super.

Vayra86, post: 4075371, member: 152404"
Got a source for that? Damn.
45%, sorry.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-20-sales-lower-than-expected-45-percent-revenue-decline/
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#109
Fluffmeister
Vayra86, post: 4075371, member: 152404"
Got a source for that? Damn.
Sounds more like a mining hangover to me, but both B-Real and medi01 tend to froth at the mouth when it comes to their beloved and their most hated.
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#110
Vayra86
B-Real, post: 4075373, member: 170068"
https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=news&action=file&id=32793

I don't see that. RX5700 seems to perform similar to the RTX 2060 Super.


45%, sorry.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-20-sales-lower-than-expected-45-percent-revenue-decline/
Damn.

Fluffmeister, post: 4075376, member: 101373"
Sounds more like a mining hangover to me, but both B-Real and medi01 tend to froth at the mouth when it comes to their beloved and their most hated.
Not to me. We had mining prior to 2018 as well. Its part of it, sure. But not this magnitude of part. This is a combination of many factors and RTX Is certainly one of them as it doesn't pick up yet. This drop coincides with Pascal cards going EOL.
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#111
Fluffmeister
They had an excess of Pascal stock, the link you read very quick says so.

God bless mining.
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#112
Vayra86
Fluffmeister, post: 4075381, member: 101373"
They had an excess of Pascal stock, the link you read very quick says so.

God bless mining.
Its a WCCFTech link. They just copy paste the news pieces leading up to this and make a story. But sure, it is also the official statement, so I guess that is true and RTX is a smash hit ;)
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#113
Vya Domus
They had an excess of Pascal cards so people didn't buy ... anything ?

:roll:
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#114
Fluffmeister
Vayra86, post: 4075385, member: 152404"
Its a WCCFTech link. They just copy paste the news pieces leading up to this and make a story. But sure, it is also the official statement, so I guess that is true and RTX is a smash hit ;)
They are doing okay in the grand scheme of things:

https://hexus.net/business/news/components/132386-steam-hardware-survey-intel-nvidia-continue-grow-share/

It should be noted Steam is used buy gamers, pallets of Radeons went to Iceland to mine.

Vya Domus, post: 4075387, member: 169281"
They had an excess of Pascal cards so people didn't buy ... anything ?

:roll:
Pascal had been around for ages, people want new stuff, hence the excitement over Navi performing the same as Turing. It's not rocket science you dick head.
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#115
plonk420
surprised nobody linked this yet (amd employee/higher up)

[MEDIA=twitter]1146827961162711045[/MEDIA]
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#116
Fluffmeister
plonk420, post: 4075391, member: 100291"
surprised nobody linked this yet (amd employee/higher up)

[MEDIA=twitter]1146827961162711045[/MEDIA]
Xzibit did, he'll be upset you missed it.
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#117
plonk420
ah, seems i scrolled a bit too fast. was expecting more people to be quoting it
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#118
EarthDog
Baited... lol.

If only AMD spent more time focusing on high- end products and more efficient products to compete and complete (gpu) lineups instead of claiming to bait Nvidia and pulling the rug out. Their marketing is ridiculous.

So....a bit cheaper than, a bit slower than (super), uses more power than, currently louder than. Where can i preorder?!
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#119
Fluffmeister
plonk420, post: 4075394, member: 100291"
ah, seems i scrolled a bit too fast. was expecting more people to be quoting it
Don't worry about it mate, there is very little worth reading.
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#120
Sithaer
I welcome this price drop since I was already interested in the 5700 card as an upgrade from my RX 570 later this year. 'November/December most likely'

RTX 2060S is also an option but from the look of it,it will be way overpriced in my country 'like most hardware' so this MSRP doesn't mean much in my case so I will have to wait and see which will have the better price/perf ratio here.

Not really a fanboy,I had both AMD/Nvidia over the years,I just pick the one better for my budget/needs.

Don't care about the blower cards either,will wait for the 'proper' models to show up.
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#121
HenrySomeone
15th Warlock, post: 4075346, member: 36"
No, the Titan came before the 290X, at almost double the price, I know this because I had a Titan SLI rig at the time.

Back then AMD kept Nvidia on its toes, even the 680 was a reactionary measured to counteract the 7970 for $50 less, I know too cuz I had a quad 680 setup at the time.

The point is, back then, both Nvidia and AMD kept going back a forth in both terms of pricing and performance through their whole product stack.

Now that AMD is not competitive at the high end, Nvidia can price their cards as they please and still hold the performance crown.

Competition is good for all costumers.
Yes, I know Titan came way before, maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough - two weeks later was refering to 780Ti only. But I wouldn't say AMD kept Nvidia on their toes by 2012 at all, since the lackluster performance of the 7970 (only 15% better than by then more than a year old gtx 580) enabled Nvidia to tackle it with 104 class silicon instead of the top-of-the-line 110. Essentially they could have released what later came to be 780Ti in early 2012 as the 680, but they decided to withhold it and start working on Maxwell early while AMD was forced to keep releasing the best they could come up with right away. This way the green team started to always be one step in front, having an immediate answer to anything AMD launched right away and with years this one step became two and by now probably three. Without some major cataclysmic event on their end I don't expect AMD to ever properly catch up again even if it might occasionally seem that they are closing in.
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#123
efikkan
So competition works, everyone should be happy :cool:
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#124
HenrySomeone
They don't have a choice unless they want most of their cards to languish on the shelves for months and then be forced to discount them even more. That said, I still think prices will drop lower than this before the end of the year.
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#125
Xzibit
HenrySomeone, post: 4075416, member: 186988"
They don't have a choice unless they want most of their cards to languish on the shelves for months and then be forced to discount them even more. That said, I still think prices will drop lower than this before the end of the year.
That didn't stop Nvidia. Their last quarter report has their sales turnaround at 140 days. A 3 day improvement over the last quarter and over 120% of its normal. Their payment window is also up 50%.
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