Friday, July 5th 2019

AMD to Slash Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" Series Prices Ahead of Launch: $399 & $349

NVIDIA attempted to torpedo the Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" series graphics card launch with the introduction of its $499 GeForce RTX 2070 Super and $399 RTX 2060 Super. AMD claimed that its upcoming Radeon RX 5700 XT outperformed the original RTX 2070, while its smaller sibling, the RX 5700 outperforms the original RTX 2060. In its E3-2019 reveal, AMD disclosed launch prices of the RX 5700 XT and the RX 5700 to be USD $449 and $379, respectively. The RTX Super launch jeopardizes this, and so, according to VideoCardz, AMD is revising its launch prices.

The Radeon RX 5700 XT now reportedly launches at just $399, while the Radeon RX 5700 is priced at $349. The RX 5700 XT is claimed to beat the original RTX 2070, while the $399 RTX 2060 Super is slower than the RTX 2070. On the other hand, the RX 5700, which was claimed to beat the $349 original RTX 2060, is now price-matched with it, unless NVIDIA comes up with price-cuts. Older reports suggested that with the advent of the RTX Super series, NVIDIA would retire the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070, after the market digests inventories left in the channel. AMD's latest move is sure to disturb that digestion.

Update Jul 6th: This has been confirmed officially by AMD here.
Source: VideoCardz
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169 Comments on AMD to Slash Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" Series Prices Ahead of Launch: $399 & $349

#152
HenrySomeone
Vya Domus, post: 4075080, member: 169281"
I never really understood why AMD is always mandated to put a lower price on their cards compared to the equivalent products from Nvidia.
Because they are never truly equivalent; if they perform the same, they consume more and are louder, if they consume about the same, they are slower, if they are just as quiet, they are large and bulky and if nothing else, they lack features (like RTX which although not fully relevant yet, is a thing that is here to stay)
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#153
Vya Domus
HenrySomeone, post: 4075915, member: 186988"
they are large and bulky
"Large and bulky", that's a new one. :roll:

AMD's two slot rectangle is bulkier than Nvidia's two slot rectangle ? Ya'll never cease to amaze me.

HenrySomeone, post: 4075915, member: 186988"
like RTX which although not fully relevant yet, is a thing that is here to stay
Not often do you hear that something irrelevant is here to stay when by definition being irrelevant contradicts that. You're pushing yourself too hard with these nonsensical claims, you could have just stopped at the good ol' "hot and loud" and remain in line with the meme. I certainly think ray-tracing is here to stay but you just had to put it in particularity stupid green-tinted way. And for the record, RTX isn't a feature, it's a platform that supports features like DXR.

If you like ray-tracing, you better hope stuff like DXR remains relevant, not RTX which is inconsequential here.

I will repeat my question though, the gist of it seems to have been lost :
I never really understood why AMD is always mandated to put a lower price on their cards compared to the equivalent products from Nvidia.
Did you just seriously tried to argue why some random company is always supposed to price something in a specific way ? That guy above talking about the lengths some of you would go to come up with stuff sure wasn't kidding. There's obviously no rational answer to that question but I sure as hell knew some of you would try nonetheless.
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#154
brutlern
medi01, post: 4075036, member: 158537"
So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super, consumes less power and costs 5% less, but still needs "price fixing" eh? Because of that DXR, that works in less than 1% of the titles and weven where it does, most users disable it on 2060?

Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.
"DO NOT drop prices" ???? Are you high? Video card prices are through the roof already and getting more and more expensive each year. Nvidia can charge whatever they want because there is no competition. If AMD brings the competition, but does not drop prices, Nvidia still doesn't have to drop prices either and we, the consumers, get the shaft, regardless of whether there is or isn't competition. Prices have to drop or we'll end up having to start paying $1000 for 1080p 60fps.
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#155
medi01
brutlern, post: 4075999, member: 93757"
Nvidia can charge whatever they want because there is no competition.
That's more of a mantra, than reality.
570 is there, but masses buy 1050/1050Ti/1650.

brutlern, post: 4075999, member: 93757"
If AMD brings the competition, but does not drop prices, Nvidia still doesn't have to drop prices eithe
Yeah!
And why should AMD care about people buying green, pretty please?

Discounts should ideally affect only people actually buying AMD stuff, and let Huang continue kamasutra with team green bentovers, no direct price war, 60% margins is not enough, let him get to 80%, I'll thoroughly enjoy it.
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#156
neomoco
All this talk of pricing on new gpus , but has anyone noticed the real competition and the number one reason to not buy new gpu-s is from Used gtx 1070 and 1070 ti , wich are about 20% slower but half price starting at 180$ (i found a few with 2 years warranty left) sold by the hundreds by the ex-miners. Or radeon 580 8gb selling for 100$ and still having decent performance. ??????
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#157
ArchStupid
medi01, post: 4075036, member: 158537"
So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super, consumes less power and costs 5% less, but still needs "price fixing" eh? Because of that DXR, that works in less than 1% of the titles and weven where it does, most users disable it on 2060?

Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.
Imagine what level of delusional fanboyism is required to actually want the company to NOT drop prices.
Holy shit.
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#158
Chomiq
Yeah, clearly some sort of price war actually making a comeback to the GPU market is a bad thing for consumers :rolleyes:
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#159
medi01
Chomiq, post: 4076020, member: 185703"
Yeah, clearly some sort of price war actually making a comeback to the GPU market is a bad thing for consumers :rolleyes:
I thought it wasn't hard to understand, but apparently it is.
I'm literally asking AMD to NOT do anything for those who are NOT consumers of its products.


neomoco, post: 4076009, member: 182429"
All this talk of pricing on new gpus , but has anyone noticed the real competition and the number one reason to not buy new gpu-s is from Used gtx 1070 and 1070 ti , wich are about 20% slower but half price starting at 180$ (i found a few with 2 years warranty left) sold by the hundreds by the ex-miners. Or radeon 580 8gb selling for 100$ and still having decent performance. ??????
This might be the best second line defence after "buh mah RT".
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#160
Chomiq
medi01, post: 4076023, member: 158537"
I thought it wasn't hard to understand, but apparently it is.
I'm literally asking AMD to NOT do anything for those who are NOT consumers of its products.
AMD has already shown that it doesn't really care about cpu+gpu bundles, since they are always locked to specific regions and due to this are limited in availability. The money is in the single component market and that's the where AMD offerings will battle Nvidia most of the time.
The thing that you mention, the "attractive bundles for users going all AMD" is basically "team red" fanboy bundle and we all know that's not where majority of consumers' based at.
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#161
brutlern
medi01, post: 4076023, member: 158537"
I'm literally asking AMD to NOT do anything for those who are NOT consumers of its products.
That's not how business works. The idea is to draw people away from the green team and join the red team. Proper business practice is to figure out how to get the consumers who are not buying your stuff to start buying your stuff.
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#162
windwhirl
Razrback16, post: 4075263, member: 177333"
Gotcha, thanks much for the response.
Forget what I said. AMD clarified that they dropped support for CrossFire with Navi... Only DX12 and Vulkan mGPU is supported.
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#163
EarthDog
ShurikN, post: 4075458, member: 140585"
Except it doesn't
It's Sunday... did you read the review??? :)

You'll find the xt using 12% more power for gaming and peak gaming!! It uses mkre power tha. The super too... and is ~10% slower.

Better efficiency than last gen, yes. Better than turing, nope.
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#164
ShurikN
EarthDog, post: 4076388, member: 79836"
It's Sunday... did you read the review??? :)

You'll find the xt using 12% more power for gaming and peak gaming!! It uses mkre power tha. The super too... and is ~10% slower.

Better efficiency than last gen, yes. Better than turing, nope.
I did, did you?
5700, 5% more performance than 2060 and the same amount of power during gaming.
Good day and goodbye.
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#165
EarthDog
ShurikN, post: 4076426, member: 140585"
I did, did you?
5700, 5% more performance than 2060 and the same amount of power during gaming.
Good day and goodbye.
Pretty sure I said the xt... (I did).

And also sure this is a 57xx thread...

Looks like the XT is pushing out of the efficiency envelope... this card not so much. :)
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#166
kapone32
Anyone who says these cards are overpriced is incorrect. If this was 2012 I would agree but a $400 MSRP (available on Amazon.com) that beats the Vega 64 (still $1000 in Canada) and competes with the 2070 Super and consumes less power than both. I even saw that in F1 2018 it keeps up with the 2080TI (Hardware Unboxed review). I paid almost $700 for my first Vega 64 just as a reference point. This means to me that AMD is definitely back in the GPU space. Not that they weren't before but cards that are as fast as Nvidia's current line up but cheaper is like Ryzen vs Intel. I have no doubt that there will be more powerful GPUs coming down the pipeline from AMD. Everything that was "bad" about AMD cards has been resolved (power draw) (clock speeds) and GCN.
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#167
EarthDog
They are competing in the mid-range and down... that's about it though. They have nothing for the 2080 or 2080 Ti.

Power draw is better, but not where Nvidia is yet. Remember, these really go against he Super cards and by price, the 2060S uses a lot less power (~35W difference, 184W compared to 219W) and falls 5% short of 5700xt performance. The 2070S uses ~9W less than the 5700xt and is 9% faster (for $100 more - but price isn't the point in this power context).

Its clear the 5700xt is getting outside of the sweetspot whereas the 5700 sits in it, however.
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#168
kapone32
EarthDog, post: 4076962, member: 79836"
They are competing in the mid-range and down... that's about it though. They have nothing for the 2080 or 2080 Ti.

Power draw is better, but not where Nvidia is yet. Remember, these really go against he Super cards and by price, the 2060S uses a lot less power (~35W difference, 184W compared to 219W) and falls 5% short of 5700xt performance. The 2070S uses ~9W less than the 5700xt and is 9% faster (for $100 more - but price isn't the point in this power context).

Its clear the 5700xt is getting outside of the sweetspot whereas the 5700 sits in it, however.
9 watts is nothing compared to the difference between Vega. Even the 35 watt difference is nothing really. That is also the max. I don't know of a GPU that pulls full power all the time either. The 5700XT is a Polaris upgrade that is actually tangible vs the 590 and it is a high end card as it is faster than the Vega 64 which is in no way a mid range card. There is no way that the 2070S (2070 is $700 in Canada)is a mid range card. Even though the 2080 and 2080TI or Super (when it is released) are double the cost in some cases it does not make the other cards mid range. For me a mid range card is the 570, 580 or 1660, 1660TI even the 2060 (not the S).
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#169
EarthDog
35W is a 19% difference... I would consider that significant. Not on your power bill, but in heat that needs mitigated. Surely the AIB cards will do a better job than the blower, but it is something to consider. Some also like to be green.

That was not the 'max' that was the gaming 'average' I took the values from. ;)

The 5700xt I wouldn't consider high-end, just like I don't consider the 2070 to be high end. THat tops the midrange lineup... (2060/2070). There is still the 1660 and 1660 Ti (or whatever they have that is non RTX) for budget. So GTX 16xx cards (budget), RTX 2060/2070 (mid-range) RTX 2080/2080Ti (high end).
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