Tuesday, December 10th 2019

Next Gen Core i5 Desktop Processor Confirmed to Feature HyperThreading

A 3DMark results database entry confirmed that the 10th generation Core i5 desktop processor will indeed feature HyperThreading (HTT). Based on the 14 nm "Comet Lake" silicon, the next-gen Core i5 processor will be 6-core/12-thread. Besides HTT, the processors will feature higher clock-speeds than their 9th generation counterparts. In the 3DMark validation, a Core i5-10600 processor is referenced, featuring 6 cores and 12 logical processors. The chip has a nominal clock-speed of 3.30 GHz in its name string (a 200 MHz increment over the i5-9600), although its Turbo Boost frequency hasn't been detected properly by SystemInfo.

It's possible that the maximum Turbo Boost will be a similar 100-200 MHz gain over the 4.60 GHz of the i5-9600. It remains to be seen what L3 cache amount Intel gives these chips. The 6-core/12-thread Core i7-8700 has 12 MB, or an additional 512 KB L3 slice per core, to cope with the HTT overhead, although there have been exceptions to this rule in the company's mobile processor lineup. Intel is expected to debut its 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" processor series alongside the Z490 Express chipset in April 2020.
Sources: momomo_us (Twitter), 3DMark Validation
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45 Comments on Next Gen Core i5 Desktop Processor Confirmed to Feature HyperThreading

#1
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
You can guess this chip's performance if you have an i7-8700K lying around. Ditto i7-10700K, if you have an i9-9900K to spare.
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#2
Smartcom5
Toot little, too late. The complete line-up is largely a joke, if it doesn't get priced very competitive.
And again of course a new socket, as always. Greedy basterds.
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#3
lynx29
Nice to see Ryzen still making Intel change its business model. hehehehe
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#4
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Smartcom5
Toot little, too late.
Is it though?

Pay attention to i7-8700K, 6-core/12-thread with 4.70 GHz boost (very similar specs to this i5-10600), compared to 3600X/3600:



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#5
Crackong
Finally Outel stops charging $100 for the HT switch.

Thanks AMD
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#6
fancucker
Pricing is key. My guess is that they'll still charge a premium for unlocked 4/8 and 6/12, compared to the 3600. They haven't even bothered to reduce the price of the 9600K
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#7
nguyen
its finally time that Intel cant rip customers off by jacking up prices for overclockable or HT enabled chips. My 8700K is still waiting to be replaced with Ryzen 3 though.
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#8
chinmi
new socket :kookoo:
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#9
Aldain
It is an insult to the pc master race to call that re-branded piece of intel shit.."next gen"
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#10
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
They're going to have to price a potential K-level CPU around $200 to $240 to match the 3600 & 3600X. If they increase the cache further they may be able to best the AMD CPUs without having to increase clocks too much.
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#11
ShurikN
btarunr
Is it though?

Pay attention to i7-8700K, 6-core/12-thread with 4.70 GHz boost (very similar specs to this i5-10600), compared to 3600X/3600
Yeah, but 10th gen's competitor is Zen 3, which brings probably a small clock increase and another huge IPC boost. 10th gen will have no IPC increase as usual.
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#12
dj-electric
HT enablement on all segments is exactly what intel need...ed, a few months ago when they had the option to add it to the 9000 series against Ryzen 3000.
This comes after some market share loss, but it least it arrives.
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#13
trom89
ShurikN
Yeah, but 10th gen's competitor is Zen 3, which brings probably a small clock increase and another huge IPC boost. 10th gen will have no IPC increase as usual.
Exactly, pricing is the key, under 200~220$ seems fair.
Spoiler: it wont be! maybe the non-K version...

I'd still pick the 3600 tho (RAM frequency, cache, etc)
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#14
lynx29
ShurikN
Yeah, but 10th gen's competitor is Zen 3, which brings probably a small clock increase and another huge IPC boost. 10th gen will have no IPC increase as usual.
yep its mostly confirmed zen 3 already has another 15% ipc boost. even the engineers were shocked from what i understand.

thank goodness AMD is back. can't wait to upgrade to ryzen 4800x.
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#15
_Flare
EUV Zen3 is knocking with even more work done per clock and higher clocks.
Intels marketing is trying to overcome the rapidly erroding real-life advantage.
And they got a new security-problem in the news today.
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#16
HenrySomeone
fancucker
Pricing is key. My guess is that they'll still charge a premium for unlocked 4/8 and 6/12, compared to the 3600. They haven't even bothered to reduce the price of the 9600K
Of course there will be some premium as they will be significantly better cpus; 9600k is already better than 3600(x), so the new 6/12 i5(s) will mop the floor with it and once more become the go-to gaming cpu in the manner of i5s of old (2nd-4th gen) :cool:
ShurikN
Yeah, but 10th gen's competitor is Zen 3, which brings probably a small clock increase and another huge IPC boost. 10th gen will have no IPC increase as usual.
In the best case scenario for AMD, they will finally (only) match Coffee Lake with Zen3, but 10th gen will be out quite a bit sooner, so...
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#17
birdie
lynx29
yep its mostly confirmed zen 3 already has another 15% ipc boost. even the engineers were shocked from what i understand.

thank goodness AMD is back. can't wait to upgrade to ryzen 4800x.
15% or any other number hasn't been confirmed by anyone from AMD. AMD fans sometimes need to stop drinking too much kool-aid.

Edit: made the statement bold for the daft who continue to argue with me without providing any quotes with numbers. WTF is wrong with you?
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#18
Imsochobo
birdie
15% or any other number hasn't been confirmed by anyone from AMD. AMD fans sometimes need to stop drinking too much kool-aid.
greater than 10 is confirmed 15 I'm not sure, it can be 11, and I would assume judging by confirmations on the design that we should see big improvements in gaming as unified CCD where they drop 4 core ccx effectively doubling L3 cache.
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#20
HenrySomeone
4000 series IPC uplift will most likely be close to what we saw in 1000 -> 2000, that is not that much at all...
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#21
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
HenrySomeone
4000 series IPC uplift will most likely be close to what we saw in 1000 -> 2000, that is not that much at all...
Zen to Zen+ (14 nm to 12LP) had no transistor-density improvements. Zen+ was basically faster caches, improved multi-core boosting, and +300 MHz from the switch to 12LP. Whereas 7 nm DUV to 7 nm EUV is +20% transistor density gain (lots of clock/power headroom to be had). Also, with "Zen 3," AMD is rumored to be doing away with CCXs (every core on a chiplet has access to the full L3 cache available on it). AMD could also leverage 7 nm EUV for faster SRAM (faster caches with tighter timings). I also have a personal hunch that AMD will improve the FPU to support some AVX-512 instructions. Having played with "Ice Lake," AMD knows that a minor update to "Zen 2" won't be good enough when Intel deploys "Willow Cove" on 14 nm with "Rocket Lake."
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#22
iO
Next step on the emergency protocol is to enable overclocking on B series boards and then maybe to unlock the multi on every CPU model.
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#23
Turmania
Ryzen dynasty will be shortlived once again but at least they made sure Intel move their rear a bit.but that little a bit is enough for Intel to pass them once again.thanks for that AMD.
fancucker
Pricing is key. My guess is that they'll still charge a premium for unlocked 4/8 and 6/12, compared to the 3600. They haven't even bothered to reduce the price of the 9600K
You can get it 9600k for around 190 recently I checked. A friend got one for 170 in black Friday.
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#24
trparky
AMD is kicking Intel's ass and they know it. Never thought I'd see the day that Intel bows to AMD.
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#25
Bones
The way they're going they won't be passing anything anytime soon.
No, Ryzen won't be shortlived as put above, it's gonna be a long fight just to stay even with them as things are going now.
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