Wednesday, January 1st 2020

Core i9-10900K up to 30% Faster than i9-9900K: Intel

Intel's upcoming Core i9-10900K desktop processor is up to 30 percent faster than the Core i9-9900K according to the company, which put out a performance guidance slide that got leaked to the web. Based on the 14 nm "Comet Lake-S" silicon and built for the new LGA1200 platform (Intel 400-series chipset motherboards); the i9-10900K is a 10-core/20-thread processor that leverages increased TDP headroom of 125 W to sustain higher clock-speeds than 9th generation "Coffee Lake Refresh," while also offering a 25% increase in processing muscle over the i9-9900K, thanks to the two additional CPU cores.

In its performance guidance slide, Intel shows the i9-10900K scoring 30% more than the i9-9900K in SPECint_rate_base2006_IC16.0. There's also a 25% boost in floating-point performance, in SPECfp_rate_base2006_IC16.0, which roughly aligns with the additional core count, as both these tests are multi-threaded. Other noteworthy results include a 26% gain in Cinebench R15, and 10% in SYSMark 2014 SE. In tests that don't scale with cores, Intel appears to rely entirely on the increased clock-speeds and improved boosting algorithm to eke out performance gains in the low-to-mid single-digit percentages. Intel is introducing a new clock-speed boosting technology called Thermal Velocity Boost, which can dial up clock-speeds of the i9-10900K up to 5.30 GHz.
Sources: ITHome, Tom's Hardware
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143 Comments on Core i9-10900K up to 30% Faster than i9-9900K: Intel

#76
trparky
cucker tarlson
sorry,but which Intel equivalent costs $200 more than amd's option ?
Well with AMD you get a cooler as part of the deal, with Intel you need to buy one. A good high-end CPU cooler is going to be expensive.
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#77
cucker tarlson
trparky
Well with AMD you get a cooler as part of the deal, with Intel you need to buy one. A good high-end CPU cooler is going to be expensive.
does amd provide a high-end cooler ? :rolleyes: the cooler on 3700x/3900x is adequate for 3600 only.71 degrees at 46dba.acceptable,not great.
with intel you're getting an iGPU too.

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#78
JackCarver
Why are you counting an X570 when an X470 or B450 is absolutely enough for a 3700X? Or why are you checking the same model? Cheapest X570 is $140, cheapest Z390 is $115. That's a $25 difference. Yours is $73. Of course it sounds better for you, Intel fanboy.
You call me a fanboy...don‘t want to know how many AMD Fanboys are writing here...
You have to compare same models that you can compare the prices fair. A comparison between two different boards would not be very meaningful. But sure you can compare the cheapest X570 with the cheapest Z390, but if VRM/Layout/Quality is not the same then it‘s useless. I chose the Taichi because it‘s Z390/X570 quality should be approximately equal.
Where did your 8700K beat the 3700X by nearly 10% in games? It's 4% with a 2080Ti in FHD. Is lying lucrative for you?
I didn‘t say anything like that. What I wanted to say is that the i7 9700K beats the Ryzen 3700X in 720p nearly by10%.
Yes in 1080p it‘s less and in 4K even more less but CPU benchmarking is best done in 720p. They only use a RTX 2080 Ti that GPU is not the bottleneck and the higher the Resolution gets the minor is the difference in FPS. But in 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti, where GPU isn‘t a bottleneck at all you see the CPU gaming performance best.
And by the way GamersNexus came to the similar result that if you use your rig mostly for gaming then go with i7 9700k


Watch at 23:40...
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#79
dirtyferret
B-Real
It isn't clear? :D Gaming performance is equal. If you want to use your 2080 Ti on a 1080p monitor, yes, you get 4-5% better fps on average on Intel. On the "other" part, AMD has reached Intel in IPC. Not to speak about programs that make use of the cores.


https://www.extremetech.com/computing/281741-new-retail-data-shows-amd-outselling-intel-21
https://wccftech.com/amd-outselling-intel-by-more-than-double-analyzing-5-year-historical-sales-at-mindfactory-de/
https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-is-such-a-hit-it-almost-outsold-intels-entire-cpu-range
https://www.techpowerup.com/257755/japanese-diy-market-goes-big-on-ryzen-68-6-market-share-for-amd

Gamersnexus made a survey, where 85 or 90% of its users bought Ryzen.
I recall GN jesus saying 75% of his pollesters were still using four core CPUs in one of his latest videos...
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#80
Tomorrow
JackCarver
You call me a fanboy...don‘t want to know how many AMD Fanboys are writing here...
You have to compare same models that you can compare the prices fair. A comparison between two different boards would not be very meaningful. But sure you can compare the cheapest X570 with the cheapest Z390, but if VRM/Layout/Quality is not the same then it‘s useless. I chose the Taichi because it‘s Z390/X570 quality should be approximately equal.



I didn‘t say anything like that. What I wanted to say is that the i7 9700K beats the Ryzen 3700X in 720p nearly by10%.
Yes in 1080p it‘s less and in 4K even more less but CPU benchmarking is best done in 720p. They only use a RTX 2080 Ti that GPU is not the bottleneck and the higher the Resolution gets the minor is the difference in FPS. But in 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti, where GPU isn‘t a bottleneck at all you see the CPU gaming performance best.
And by the way GamersNexus came to the similar result that if you use your rig mostly for gaming then go with i7 9700k
GN also recommended R5 3600 overall instead of i5's or even 9700K. They said as much in their latest 4790K revisit about 9700K.
Also 720p testing. That's meaningless. Almost none of the bigger benchmarking outlets do 720p testing. You are creating an artificial bottleneck and basing your decision to go Intel years down the track on those results that do not represent real world. Good luck with that.
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#81
dirtyferret
Tomorrow
GN also recommended R5 3600 overall instead of i5's or even 9700K. They said as much in their latest 4790K revisit about 9700K.
Also 720p testing. That's meaningless. Almost none of the bigger benchmarking outlets do 720p testing. You are creating an artificial bottleneck and basing your decision to go Intel years down the track on those results that do not represent real world. Good luck with that.
...I recall him saying the 3600 as the best budget and 9700k as a pure gaming CPU(and avoiding the 3700x and 3800x) in that video and the 6700k video

Note: I personally find the 3700x and 3800x as great CPUs but I also don't have long curls going down to my back
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#82
cucker tarlson
imo the hierarchy goes

9400f/3500x
3600
(.............) ->>>> need a cpu to fill asap.3700x is not fast enough to justify the premium over 3600.not for gaming.not for anything.
9700k

9900k and 3800x are the worst value per dollar,3800x for gaming (matched by 9600k),9900k for workstation (matched by 3700x,bulldozed by 3900x)
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#83
mainlate
AMD has compatibility problems with expansions cards, excluding graphics cards. The older the card, the more hit or miss it is to get it work, if it works at all. Second is software compatibility, for ex.cracked games, especially those that are cracked before Ryzen was in market. But still even nowadays playing cracked games is one area where Intel is still superior, this is a bit group specific though, CPY/CODEX are usually fine, RELOADED/SKIDROW not that much and so on. But if AMD reaches 40-50% desktop CPU market share, this issue gets solved by itself on its own weight.
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#84
cucker tarlson
mainlate
AMD has compatibility problems with expansions cards, excluding graphics cards. The older the card, the more hit or miss it is to get it work, if it works at all.
no.......
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#86
dirtyferret
cucker tarlson
imo the hierarchy goes

9400f/3500x
3600
(.............) ->>>> need a cpu to fill asap.3700x is not fast enough to justify the premium over 3600.not for gaming.not for anything.
9700k

9900k and 3800x are the worst value per dollar,3800x especially.
At their current street prices, who knows the 3800x could be $100 cheaper this time next year (so can the 3700x, 3600, etc.,). I would place the 8700k stock in that gap and its still a damn good gaming CPU for high refresh systems

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#87
cucker tarlson
dirtyferret
At their current street prices, who knows the 3800x could be $100 cheaper this time next year (so can the 3700x, 3600, etc.,). I would place the 8700k stock in that gap and its still a damn good gaming CPU for high refresh systems


absolutely.
used 8700k fills that price gap nicely.
I knda regret not getting one.If I did it'd last me till zen 5nm on ddr5 comes.
may still happen.
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#88
heflys20
trparky
9400f/3500x
3600
(.............) ->>>> need a cpu to fill asap.3700x is not fast enough to justify the premium over 3600.not for gaming.not for anything.
9700k
Are you saying the 9700k is a good buy in the upper price bracket? Over here it's $400 compared to the $329 3700x and the $200 3600, and that's before you factor in having to buy a cooler.
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#89
cucker tarlson
heflys20
Are you saying the 9700k is a good buy in the upper price bracket? Over here it's $400 compared to the $329 3700x and the $200 3600, and that's before you factor in having to buy a cooler.
at least it's a decent performance uplift from 3600,and doesn't cost as much as 9900k while it performs almost the same.there's no alternative,that's why it gets a mention.
like I said,a used 8700k would be much better from a value standpoint.
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#90
JackCarver
Have one 8700k, got very hot at first but after delidding temps are very nice. At time it runs with 4.9 AllCore Turbo
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#91
dirtyferret
heflys20
Are you saying the 9700k is a good buy in the upper price bracket? Over here it's $400 compared to the $329 3700x and the $200 3600, and that's before you factor in having to buy a cooler.
Not for $400 but I got my 9700k for under $300 and at microcenter you can get the 9700k for less then $329 and the 8700k for under $300.
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#92
cucker tarlson
dirtyferret
Not for $400 but I got my 9700k for under $300 and at microcenter you can get the 9700k for less then $329 and the 8700k for under $300.
that's not how it looks like in general.
you do pay a premium for 9700k over 3700x usually.
it's about the same as 3800x.
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#93
heflys20
cucker tarlson
a used 8700k would be much better from a value standpoint.
I definitely agree.

dirtyferret
Not for $400 but I got my 9700k for under $300 and at microcenter you can get the 9700k for less then $329 and the 8700k for under $300.
Hmm...My microcenter is charging $370. With the cooler, it'll likely be bumped to $400+. Must have been a holiday sale. The were selling the 3700x for like $280-290 at one point, too.
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#94
candle_86
mainlate
AMD has compatibility problems with expansions cards, excluding graphics cards. The older the card, the more hit or miss it is to get it work, if it works at all. Second is software compatibility, for ex.cracked games, especially those that are cracked before Ryzen was in market. But still even nowadays playing cracked games is one area where Intel is still superior, this is a bit group specific though, CPY/CODEX are usually fine, RELOADED/SKIDROW not that much and so on. But if AMD reaches 40-50% desktop CPU market share, this issue gets solved by itself on its own weight.
Well shoot, my sound blaster audigy 2 works fine, my pcie via ide controller works fine, so does my pcie legacy I/o card. What compatability issue?
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#95
Durvelle27
candle_86
Well shoot, my sound blaster audigy 2 works fine, my pcie via ide controller works fine, so does my pcie legacy I/o card. What compatability issue?
Sounds like the guys doesn't know how to install drivers
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#96
cucker tarlson
if that was true,it'd be:
1.widely covered by tech media
2.seen on tpu threads
3.addressed by amd
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#97
Durvelle27
cucker tarlson
if that was true,it'd be:
1.widely covered by tech media
2.seen on tpu threads
3.addressed by amd
Not to mention he's playing cracked aka pirated games which is a huge red flag
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#98
cucker tarlson
Durvelle27
No to mention he's playing cracked aka pirated games which is a huge red flag
absolutely.
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#99
candle_86
The only incombatability I could imagine would be software from the late 90s or early 2000s that read the cpuid and then require 3d now, but we are talking about what 2-3 programs
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#100
Renald
Software and workloads used in performance tests may have been optimized for performance only on Intel microprocessors
What a joke.
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