Friday, April 10th 2020

NVIDIA Quietly Refreshes Mobile GeForce RTX Graphics Cards

NVIDIA has recently introduced its GeForce RTX 20-series SUPER mobile graphics cards, with the heap of new features that are present on the new GPU models. According to a report from ComputerBase, NVIDIA has refreshed few of the RTX 20-series mobile GPUs in addition to the previously announced SUPER models. Now there are a few models/variants of these RTX 20-series GPUs. Firstly, there is a standard RTX mobile GPU variant called the "Max-P" version - this represents the RTX 20-series GPUs that were launched initially in January of 2019 and it includes three SKUs like RTX 2060, 2070 and 2080. Secondly, there is a "Max-Q" revision of these graphics cards, meant to bring maximum efficiency. These SKUs are power-limited, so they are a bit slower compared to the regular "Max-P" version, and they have a Total Graphics Power (TGP) between 65 W and 90 W depending on the model.

Next up we have GeForce RTX SUPER 20-series of GPUs that were launched on April 2nd just a few days ago. These GPUs are special because they bring a heap of new features like more CUDA cores, low-power (1.25 V compared to the old 1.35 V) GDDR6 memory, DynamicBoost, and Optimus support. So what are these new, refresh GPUs? On ComputerBase Forums, XMG (laptop maker) representative has revealed that NVIDIA refreshed some of the older RTX 20-series mobile GPU that were already in use.
Namely, the regular GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 GPUs got the hardware treatment that is the same as the newly announced SUPER lineup. NVIDIA has added a low-power GDDR6 memory to these GPUs and a new regulator. Being that memory uses 20% of TGP alone, the updated GPU SKUs are set to perform higher compared to older variants. Keeping the same CUDA count, the RTX 2060 variant got improved TGP of 115 W, up from 90 W, which should result in significantly bigger boost clocks. This GPU carries an SKU revision number of N18E-G1-B. The refreshed RTX 2070 model is referred to as N18E-G1R GPU, which has the original TGP of 115 W. However, thanks to the lower power VRAM that leaves more space for boost clocks, and this GPU should boost up to 1485 MHz, representing a 45 MHz increase.
Source: ComputerBase
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35 Comments on NVIDIA Quietly Refreshes Mobile GeForce RTX Graphics Cards

#1
The Quim Reaper
Super, non super, max q, max p, ARRGGHH!!!

...super max customer confusion.
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#2
notb
The Quim Reaper
Super, non super, max q, max p, ARRGGHH!!!

...super max customer confusion.
No, it's not.
Which line don't you understand? I can explain.
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#3
champsilva
The Quim Reaper
Super, non super, max q, max p, ARRGGHH!!!

...super max customer confusion.
Really?
P = Old models (non-super models)
Q = Old models (non-super models) but focused on efficiency
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#4
Berfs1
champsilva
Really?
P = Old models (non-super models)
Q = Old models (non-super models) but focused on efficiency
exactly, this is a ridiculous naming scheme for 1 generation
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#5
cynic01
So basically...

Originally we have:
RTX 2060 (90 W), 2070 (115 W), 2080 (150 W),
RTX 2070 Max-Q (80 W), 2080 Max-Q (80 W)

Now we have:
(with the optimizations)
RTX 2060 (115 W), 2070 (115 W), 2070 Super (115 W), 2080 Super (150 W)
RTX 2060 Max-Q (65 W), 2070 Max-Q (80 W), 2070 Super Max-Q (80 W), 2080 Super Max-Q (80W)
if I understood it correctly
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#6
danbert2000
And, of course, no laptop maker is going to let you know which version is in your laptop. Sometimes they won't even tell you if it's Max-Q. So enjoy the raffle, hope you get a good 2070!

This is an obvious situation where Nvidia could have just bumped the model up, or added a year to the model like Apple does with its MacBooks. I hate this kind of bullshit. This is why I have trust issues.
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#7
BArms
cynic01
So basically...

Originally we have:
RTX 2060 (90 W), 2070 (115 W), 2080 (150 W),
RTX 2070 Max-Q (80 W), 2080 Max-Q (80 W)

Now we have:
(with the optimizations)
RTX 2060 (115 W), 2070 (115 W), 2070 Super (115 W), 2080 Super (150 W)
RTX 2060 Max-Q (65 W), 2070 Max-Q (80 W), 2070 Super Max-Q (80 W), 2080 Super Max-Q (80W)
if I understood it correctly
I'm holding out for the 2080 Super-Duper Max-Q Trooper.
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#8
softreaper
cynic01
So basically...

Originally we have:
RTX 2060 (90 W), 2070 (115 W), 2080 (150 W),
RTX 2070 Max-Q (80 W), 2080 Max-Q (80 W)

Now we have:
(with the optimizations)
RTX 2060 (115 W), 2070 (115 W), 2070 Super (115 W), 2080 Super (150 W)
RTX 2060 Max-Q (65 W), 2070 Max-Q (80 W), 2070 Super Max-Q (80 W), 2080 Super Max-Q (80W)
if I understood it correctly
in fact, you also got 80w RTX 2060 (got one on my GF65 builded in february)

And it's really annoying as the CPU power throttle passed 1600MHz@750mv
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#9
QUANTUMPHYSICS
You can run just about any game on the market in 1080p 60FPS using the 1060.

Anyone who buys an RTX 2060 equipped laptop should be just fine for the next 4 years or so.

If you do, however happen to be someone using a laptop as a desktop replacement, you might as well get a 2070 because the 2080 are fireplaces.
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#10
softreaper
QUANTUMPHYSICS
You can run just about any game on the market in 1080p 60FPS using the 1060.

Anyone who buys an RTX 2060 equipped laptop should be just fine for the next 4 years or so.

If you do, however happen to be someone using a laptop as a desktop replacement, you might as well get a 2070 because the 2080 are fireplaces.
For the first fact, i can only agree, but i'm not ok with this kind of limitations with a 120Hz screen, even more when the laptop can keep up with the heat (@80w the GPU is at 80°c and fans are silents), it's just artificial limitations, i'll try to flash a 90w bios one day if i can find one compatible

For the second, i'm not sure as long as we're close to the next generation of console, and if rumors are true, there could be a leap in term of power and abilities (don't know what's the power of the AMDs RTRT implementation, but if they're looking for 4K, that could be bigger than a simple 2060)

lastly, yeah, i'm a disabled dev and can't work constantly on a desk or a table, so, laptop is the best way to carry my work everywhere at home, the card work great, but with big CPU and GPU, many laptop can't contain the heat of an i7 6/8 core (even with serious throttle), so i've looked for a lower end chip and throw my "really" intensive tasks to my TR workstation remotely managed by this laptop. With mid range performance, i can do almost anything without the WS
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#11
Ferrum Master
I 'like' the CG pic... damn artists...

They cannot even put the RAM ICs where they should be...
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#12
Vya Domus
QUANTUMPHYSICS
You can run just about any game on the market in 1080p 60FPS using the 1060.

Anyone who buys an RTX 2060 equipped laptop should be just fine for the next 4 years or so.

If you do, however happen to be someone using a laptop as a desktop replacement, you might as well get a 2070 because the 2080 are fireplaces.
Here's another perspective : you could have gotten 2060 performance 4 years ago from a 1080, so in 4 years time this 2060 will be the equivalent of an 8 year old 1080. Would have you been fine with GTX 680 performance for the last 4 years up to today ? Probably not but that's how this sounds.
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#13
W1zzard
Ferrum Master
I 'like' the CG pic... damn artists...

They cannot even put the RAM ICs where they should be...
Nice find, I had to lol
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#14
blobster21
Vya Domus
Here's another perspective : you could have gotten 2060 performance 4 years ago from a 1080, so in 4 years time this 2060 will be the equivalent of an 8 year old 1080. Would have you been fine with GTX 680 performance for the last 4 years up to today ? Probably not but that's how this sounds.
excellent !! rotfl !
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#15
phill
Just wth is going on?? Milking the customer or are these actually going to make a difference that we (consumers) will actually notice and care about??

@W1zzard do you think they'd send something to TPU to review at all?
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#16
W1zzard
phill
do you think they'd send something to TPU to review at all?
mobile? nah, not something we test
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#17
Tsukiyomi91
better yet; don't buy any laptops with Nvidia GPUs.
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#18
lexluthermiester
Tsukiyomi91
better yet; don't buy any laptops with Nvidia GPUs.
Why not? What else is there?
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#20
willgart
so the name of the product means nothing now.
if they start changing the number of cuda cores, the naming scheme is not relevant anymore.
so they should use names like
rtx512 for the 512 cuda cores version...
easier to track
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#21
QUANTUMPHYSICS
Vya Domus
Here's another perspective : you could have gotten 2060 performance 4 years ago from a 1080, so in 4 years time this 2060 will be the equivalent of an 8 year old 1080. Would have you been fine with GTX 680 performance for the last 4 years up to today ? Probably not but that's how this sounds.
The issue is the pricing.

Take a look at Gaming laptops now: $900 or so buys you a Core i7 + 1660Ti.

$1100 or so buys you a 2060.

But if you want a 2070 or 2080, you're spending a whole lot more $1500 - $2500 for a 2070 and $2500 - $4000 in some cases ...or even more.

If you're just playing games on the laptop display, I see no need for more than a 2060.

If you're Youtubbing, Streaming, gaming, developing, etc...then hopefully your jobpays you enough to justify spending this much on a laptop.
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#22
jaredpace
cynic01
RTX 2060 (115 W), 2070 (115 W), 2070 Super (115 W), 2080 Super (150 W)
RTX 2060 Max-Q (65 W), 2070 Max-Q (80 W), 2070 Super Max-Q (80 W), 2080 Super Max-Q (80W)
if I understood it correctly
lots of 2080 super Mobiles also...

ModelTGPBaseBoost
RTX 2080 Super200W15601740
RTX 2080 Super190W15301710
RTX 2080 Super180W14851680
RTX 2080 Super170W14551635
RTX 2080 Super160W14101605
RTX 2080 Super150W13651560
RTX 2080 Super Max-Q90W9751230
RTX 2080 Super Max-Q85W8851155
RTX 2080 Super Max-Q80W7351080

Features
NVIDIA
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#23
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
jaredpace
lots of 2080 super Mobiles also...

ModelTGPBaseBoost
RTX 2080 Super200W15601740
RTX 2080 Super190W15301710
RTX 2080 Super180W14851680
RTX 2080 Super170W14551635
RTX 2080 Super160W14101605
RTX 2080 Super150W13651560
RTX 2080 Super Max-Q90W9751230
RTX 2080 Super Max-Q85W8851155
RTX 2080 Super Max-Q80W7351080

Features

NVIDIA
That is still the same TU104 chip, but the difference between the Mobile (a.k.a. Max-P) and the Max-Q is the VBIOS (for the core and memory clocks) and the OEM TDP (maximum power allowed) configuration.
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#25
jabbadap
lexluthermiester
Oh, I'm sorry, allow me to rephrase; What else is there that actually competes in the mobile space?
Heh well Navi itself is competitive. But there are few to null design wins to be found on notebook space. And yeah I don't think AMD has yet to released whole Radeon navi mobile line up any way.
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