FreedomEclipseMy 1080Ti will probably ace this with RTX off

That is the million dollar question here isn't it. When I read 2070S I actually read 1080ti with some extra bits... and I vaguely remember a Neon Noir demo running pretty damn stellar on my 1080, too :)

This is really the most interesting comparison right now. How much does the new hardware offer in these situations. We're slowly moving towards some idea of what the new RT/tensor/whatever cores actually mean for us. Since Turing that was just completely vague, there is no reference at all... unless someone knows what Gigarays actually means :p

ARFI did hope for January 2021, right after PS5 release in 2020...



I am not convinced. My TV is so much superior, in everything - colour reproduction - it has true blacks :D

Lol, you are rocking a midrange LCD and think you have true blacks? Its 2020, OLED is a thing, I really thought you had an OLED TV in front of you instead... lol. 200hz interpolation is shit... do you like your wobbly crosshair while gaming? Or screen-tear-ish artifacts on color changes... interpolation tech has come a long way, but it always produces artifacts. And it also doubles (or worse) your input lag, which is hugely detrimental to PC use.

Take a long side-by-side look at an LG 120hz native OLED and come back pls. You have much to learn, young gwasshoppa ;)

Calmmoah yes, which is why the demo was sponsored by sony and ran on a PS5 with AMD arch hardware.

This makes me really keen to see what AMD's new GPU's will be capable of. If the the $500 rumored price on PS5 holds true things are going to get interesting and competitive quickly on the PC desktop front. Would be very interesting if AMD could take a few chips like these APU's and use that new "Radeon Pro" card's infinity fabric magic on them for 2-way/3-way/4-way discrete add in setups. I think there is a real market for the potential of a discrete APU or CPU add in card for example. I think a APU add in card that's 2-way/3-way/4-way infinity fabric scalable would make heaps of sense for AMD. I could stand a card like that and don't even have a AMD CPU and motherboard atm for example. You know how much of a kick in the nuts to Intel that would be!? I mean hey Intel's trying to get into graphics perhaps AMD should get into kicking Intel in it's junk on it's own platform in turn isn't that exactly what Intel in a round about way is doing getting into discrete GPU's!!?!?

Live OR DieThey should of used a PC that FPS drop from that sony crap box is just sad.

PCs have a severe problem with slow and unoptimised software provided by M$.
This is why the consoles with proper working SSDs will run circles around any PC from this year.

There is no FPS drop in the Demo. It runs perfectly smooth.

ShurikNBy the time UE5 games actually look like the demo, we'll be well into the 2022 (maybe even after that).

yeah no game is gonna look like a tech demo on first gen, also the 2070 super = 5700 XT
so basically we already have the gpu in the ps5, its named 5700 XT but with some ray tracing sprinkled on and much better power efficienty

XL-R8RAnd I'll congratulate you on your 3rd post; well done.

You don't suppose that's why you were so condescending in the first place, is it? You know what you call someone who looks for easy targets? A bully and a coward.

Anyways, back on topic. I'm looking forward to the next generation of cards, but with rumblings of even 5 nm coming from Nvidia, it might make sense to continue to wait and see, even once 7 nm arrives.

RTX 2070 SUPER for 1080p ?

Interesting, this is exciting news, given PS5 using AMD RDNA arch.
Well, I think I was completely wrong to judge Radeon GPU is already finished.
yes, it's really worth waiting for AMD's Radeon next-gen GPUs.

blazed*SNIP*

I have no real words for such a quote; but post count means nothing. My pointing out of your post count was just about the kindest thing I could think of while replying to such a silly original post that was basically akin to "s0me UtuBer SeD iT" on top of "well, congratulations then. I'm glad you know everything"...


I'll stand by my original post relating not only to RTX, but YT - and the more I think about it, using a random YouTuber as your source of leaked information is very silly....

XL-R8RAnd I'll congratulate you on your 3rd post; well done.



Also, nowhere above did I mention "knowing everything"; I merely mentioned that any sensible person wont be in need of some random clown on YouTube telling them such a simple known fact that the 20 series wont age well...

This needs to stop.

Whilst you may be correct, post count means nothing.

ARFPCs have a severe problem with slow and unoptimised software provided by M$.
This is why the consoles with proper working SSDs will run circles around any PC from this year.

There is no FPS drop in the Demo. It runs perfectly smooth.

Interesting change in attitude vs what you were telling me in the other thread, gee we are now just catching up?

So many fragmented reports of this new BS PS5, the fact that 1440P 30FPS was the demo, that's the max this console can do, also TF figures are crap to compare against in AMD itself, V64 vs 5700XT and consoles boost the TF figure by adding the CPU as well. And the next was there's an information from Epic Games Chinese that says, Mobile RTX2080 can run that demo at 1440P 40FPS we know mobile RTX cards are garbage and nothing like desktop class losing 10-15% in performance and poor silicon and also RT, Tensor processors. So where's the 1080 120FPS, are they still aiming at that 30FPS bs for console again ?

That Raster Performance is 1080Ti class, a 3Yr Old Flagship GPU. Once the Ampere drops with added SMs and improved GeForce config by which Huang was saying for the Consumer market, I can see the Ampere cards wipe the floor. This desperation of PS5 is funny, why don't that Epic Tecent release the damned demo and let us test instead of all these vague statements. And with Second Gen RT cores, Tensor AI cores and improved Ampere, it's going to be a blood bath for Consoles and the old rumors of 2080Ti-PS5/XBSX were laughable then and now. Both Consoles will have same customized GFX presets, VRS, Minimal Custom Ray Tracing, and poor value, only good thing is PC games will look better. But the current era of PC drivel political garbage in the games it's not even exciting anymore.

Decryptor009*SNIP*

Read the last post I made before replying?


Congratulating someone on their post count is outright better than telling the same person they are stupid... wouldn't you agree?



Edit - and as of late, there are some realllllllly questionable views and opinions being written on this forum - lets not all start getting politically correct about online social interactions all of a sudden - least of all an INNOCENT (i promise..) congratulations.....

Ashtr1xSo many fragmented reports of this new BS PS5, the fact that 1440P 30FPS was the demo, that's the max this console can do, also TF figures are crap to compare against in AMD itself, V64 vs 5700XT and consoles boost the TF figure by adding the CPU as well. And the next was there's an information from Epic Games Chinese that says, Mobile RTX2080 can run that demo at 1440P 40FPS we know mobile RTX cards are garbage and nothing like desktop class losing 10-15% in performance and poor silicon and also RT, Tensor processors. So where's the 1080 120FPS, are they still aiming at that 30FPS bs for console again ?

That Raster Performance is 1080Ti class, a 3Yr Old Flagship GPU. Once the Ampere drops with added SMs and improved GeForce config by which Huang was saying for the Consumer market, I can see the Ampere cards wipe the floor. This desperation of PS5 is funny, why don't that Epic Tecent release the damned demo and let us test instead of all these vague statements. And with Second Gen RT cores, Tensor AI cores and improved Ampere, it's going to be a blood bath for Consoles and the old rumors of 2080Ti-PS5/XBSX were laughable then and now. Both Consoles will have same customized GFX presets, VRS, Minimal Custom Ray Tracing, and poor value, only good thing is PC games will look better. But the current era of PC drivel political garbage in the games it's not even exciting anymore.

Judging 1440P 30FPS when onlt the top 0.001% have the hardware to even push passed this number?

Rather sad to keep seeing posts like this, yes we all look forwards to better GPU's, you just seem to be salty that a console could look this good.

XL-R8RRead the last post I made before replying?


Congratulating someone on their post count is outright better than telling the same person they are stupid... wouldn't you agree?

I prefer direct communication vs passive aggression that is all man.

Decryptor009Judging 1440P 30FPS when onlt the top 0.001% have the hardware to even push passed this number?

Rather sad to keep seeing posts like this, yes we all look forwards to better GPU's, you just seem to be salty that a console could look this good.


I prefer direct communication vs passive aggression that is all man.

You call 1440P 30FPS good :roll:cinematic experience I guess. And where did you get that 0.001% ? 1080Ti has been in market since 3 Years and 2070S, 2070, 5700XT, R VII all of them exist.

And Consoles didn't do anything for gaming, except to make them mainstream and made gaming bad. No game is a PC game, every single title was a console port and it will always be and Turing's Mesh Shading Technology no one used, they are showcasing as if this is a ground breaking new achievement. More PCs means more people buying actual Computers rather than a Mass market box for playing in Mediocrity of Checkerboard trash, Low FPS, Low Fidelity, Input latency and BGA trash HW, useless GaaS mechanics - XBL, PSN just for playing MP. And because of them every PC game has poor texture fidelity because the game has to be made for the console, Witcher Tech demo vs Retail none of them came, Watchdogs same fate. Every title has to be made compatible and not sway too much in Quality difference vs a PC that hampered a lot of native PC games, games like Nier deserved more than a trash port because the money is in Consoles, RDR2 is another example for the garbage quality treatment for PC. And tons of DRM for PC only.

Ashtr1xYou call 1440P 30FPS good :roll:cinematic experience I guess.

And Consoles didn't do anything for gaming, except to make them mainstream and made gaming bad. No game is a PC game, every single title was a console port and it will always be and Turing's Mesh Shading Technology no one used, they are showcasing as if this is a ground breaking new achievement. More PCs means more people buying actual Computers rather than a Mass market box for playing in Mediocrity of Checkerboard trash, Low FPS, Low Fidelity, Input latency and BGA trash HW, useless GaaS mechanics - XBL, PSN just for playing MP. And because of them every PC game has poor texture fidelity because the game has to be made for the console, Witcher Tech demo vs Retail none of them came, Watchdogs same fate. Every title has to be made compatible and not sway too much in Quality difference vs a PC that hampered a lot of native PC games, games like Nier deserved more than a trash port because the money is in Consoles, RDR2 is another example for the garbage quality treatment for PC. And tons of DRM for PC only.

RDR2 looks better than nearly every game on PC to date though.. let us consider the PC derived port of Crysis and how badly optimized that is.. oh right, it is PC exlusive and used a better engine on console so we can't include reality.


You sound very emotional over this new bit of gaming hardware.

Decryptor009Interesting change in attitude vs what you were telling me in the other thread, gee we are now just catching up?

I expect M$ to release new DX, new Windows updates to fix the terrible hard drive performance on Windows and specifically during gaming.

The hardware in PCs is still much much superior.

ARFI expect M$ to release new DX, new Windows updates to fix the terrible hard drive performance on Windows and specifically in Windows.

The hardware on PCs is still much much superior.

"Much much"

2070S minimum.

Yup i am sure most people will be buying 2080S or Ti or TITAN's soon.

Best hope these new releases of GPU's don't inflate the cost because i won't be on board with it.

Decryptor009"Much much"

2070S minimum.

Yup i am sure most people will be buying 2080S or Ti or TITAN's soon.

Best hope these new releases of GPU's don't inflate the cost because i won't be on board with it.

I said it already - we don't know how the GeForces perform, might be very slow in new gen games.

Decryptor009RDR2 looks better than nearly every game on PC to date though.. let us consider the PC derived port of Crysis and how badly optimized that is.. oh right, it is PC exlusive and used a better engine on console so we can't include reality.


You sound very emotional over this new bit of gaming hardware.

RDR2 looks better on PC who denied it ? And ofc it will look best on PC, what's there to question ? I was taking on the optimization quality part of it not the GFX quality, read again.

And what are you talking lmao ? PC derived Port of what ? Crysis port into consoles, that was pathetic garbage go to DF and learn what is Crysis first and then talk, a PCMR friend ran the game on his 7960X with an 2080Ti and guess what, it still looks stunning than any Console game on a garbage Console. You made yourself irrelevant by the garbage you are spweing on all. Not going to waste anymore time on you.

ARFPCs have a severe problem with slow and unoptimised software provided by M$.
This is why the consoles with proper working SSDs will run circles around any PC from this year.

There is no FPS drop in the Demo. It runs perfectly smooth.

I agree that Microsoft Windows is not the best OS for games. Over the years, I feel that it has become such a resource intensive OS, and certainly nowhere near as optimized as game consoles, such as Sony and Nintendo. If you look at Xbox that runs a slim down version of Windows, I feel actually don't think its as optimized as the more simplistic OS found on the Sony PS4.

Ashtr1xRDR2 looks better on PC who denied it ? And ofc it will look best on PC, what's there to question ? I was taking on the optimization quality part of it not the GFX quality, read again.

And what are you talking lmao ? PC derived Port of what ? Crysis port into consoles, that was pathetic garbage go to DF and learn what is Crysis first and then talk, a PCMR friend ran the game on his 7960X with an 2080Ti and guess what, it still looks stunning than any Console game on a garbage Console. You made yourself irrelevant by the garbage you are spweing on all. Not going to waste anymore time on you.

And runs like ass on PC, it drops below 40 FPS even on a 9900K at 5ghz.

You seem to be tip toeing around what i stated, you are too invested in your emotional attachment to hardware, unhealthy.

RDR2 does way more, way better than Crysis ever did or can.

" For the people owning RTX 2070S and faster, they should be good to go for when games based on Unreal Engine 5 hit the market. "
NO
the RTX 2070S is for the DEMO only.
running the UE5 doesnt required this power at all, in fact old games refactored for the UE5 should have an improved performance on old GPU.
only big and detailed games need a strong GPU, like always.

I'm pretty sure you won't need to have a 2070S to smoothly run Fortnite with Unreal Engine 5.

"Smooth" is incorrect. You need a 2070S to even run the thing above a slideshow, and nothing was said about resolution.

Jeez the misreporting on this demo is EPIC. So many people in denial about the changes coming...

Decryptor009And runs like ass on PC, it drops below 40 FPS even on a 9900K at 5ghz.

You seem to be tip toeing around what i stated, you are too invested in your emotional attachment to hardware, unhealthy.

RDR2 does way more, way better than Crysis ever did or can.

idk what hte conversation is about, but regarding Crysis's performance you should watch digital foundry revisit of it:

TLDR, the performance of Crysis is not that great even today because of the time and techdevelopment at time of release, it was believed single core speeds would continue to go up rather then getting more focus on multicore solutions.

ARFPCs have a severe problem with slow and unoptimised software provided by M$.
This is why the consoles with proper working SSDs will run circles around any PC from this year.

There is no FPS drop in the Demo. It runs perfectly smooth.

Run circles around a PC because of an SSD? Wouldn't that be highly dependent on how the SSD is used in regards to loading game assets?