FourstaffExciting. AMD has been slacking in the graphics dept of their APUs, this should be a good wake up call.

FourstaffExciting. AMD has been slacking in the graphics dept of their APUs, this should be a good wake up call.

TheinsanegamerNExcept that Renoir has a much higher iGPU clock speed (2100mhz according to techradar) VS intel (cant find tiger lake clocks yet, but intel iGPUs typically hit up to 1350 on the most powerful SKUs).

So its likely NOT clock rate, its graphical architectural improvements. I agree we should wait for real world benchmarks first for the same reason as you, but Intel's GPU department hasnt been as sleepy as their CPU department.

Vayra86Just stahp... do we REALLY care about 10% extra IGP performance? That's like 10% more of nothing.

It wasn't ever relevant for AMD's APUs and its not relevant now. The baseline perf is fine for ultra casual gaming and basic usage. It won't get bigger than that, unless you like 20 FPS gameplay at low. So now you get 22 FPS. Wooptiedoo. IGPs are lucky if they get enough speed over time to grow along with that bottom line they could once achieve. Games are getting heavier to run much faster than IGPs develop.

Especially now with RT gaining ground, the IGP won't cut it for gaming. And for everything else it just needs to adhere to new standards, like a 4K output.

FrickDon't forget older AAA titles. I am much more interested i how much performance you can get from a cheapish small and lightweight laptop than from a dedicated GPU costing as much as said laptop.

evernessincePretty dissapointing that a moderator is saying something like this. 28w CPU vs a 15w one. Enough said. Add onto that the AMD CPU is an 8 core while the Intel is a 4 core. AMD did make a big jump with Vega on it's recent APUs in performance per watt. That a 15w 8 core is only beaten to a yet to be released 28w Intel 4 core says more then enough.

Dante UchihaNop, APUS are the future of computing. As soon as the era of fully modular SOCs gain traction we will see increasingly powerful and complex APUs. Even now, they are more relevant than you pointed out, those APUs are an efficient and inexpensive way to play games and basic 3D render(A 3TF IGPU helps a lot). Plus, some of the most popular games run very well on APUs.

MatsI was talking about now. Nothing you said contradicts what I said. I never said APU's are lacking in performance.

Unlike graphics cards, for every APU laptop without discrete graphics that's actually used for demanding games, there are thousands of laptops with APU's and without discrete graphics that aren't used for that, which means making faster graphics in said APU's won't give much ROI. Die size cost money, R&D cost money, and as soon as that same APU is put in a laptop with discrete graphics, that extra (as in substantially faster than Renoir) integrated graphics is pretty much a waste.

That's why Renoir is ~150 mm² and not 250, and that's why they only have one APU die and not two, because that would also cost money. It doesn't matter that you, barf, or anyone else is dreaming about IGP's doubling in performance from one generation to another, AMD has to look at the bigger picture and not at a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the market.