Wednesday, September 2nd 2020

Intel 11th Gen Core "Tiger Lake" & Xe Graphics Launch Event: Live Blog

Intel today launches its 11th Gen Core "Tiger Lake" mobile processors that introduce several new technologies on the backs of new IP. As described in the Architecture Day, "Tiger Lake" is built on the 10 nm SuperFin process, and combines new "Willow Cove" CPU cores with the first commercial debut of the Xe Gen12 graphics architecture that Intel is betting big on, to make a stab at the consumer graphics and scalar compute markets. Join us in this live-blog.

Update 16:00 UTC: GB (Gregory Bryant, EVP Client), leads the event from the comfort of his home.
Update 16:04 UTC: Here it is, the "world's best processor for thin and light laptops. You'll notice that like most Intel U-segment chips, this is an MCM of the processor and PCH die. Intel bases its "world's best" claims on a per-segment basis.
Update 16:05 UTC: Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo, and Samsung have devices with 11th Gen Core processor. Devices as light as 870 g, or lighter than the original Apple iPad. 50+ designs are expected for Holiday 2020, 150 will be available eventually.
Update 16:07 UTC: Intel's new corporate identity takes flight with the new logos.
Update 16:08 UTC: 10 nm SuperFin: 60 poly pitch transistor, improved gate process, higher mobility, lower drain resistance. We detailed this process node here.

Update 16:08 UTC: Super MIM capacitor is the second key component of 10 nm SuperFin. 20% iso power improvements.
Update 16:10 UTC: 20% CPU IPC uplift, 2x iGPU performance uplift, 5x AI performance uplift, I/O improvements from Thunderbolt 4 and PCIe gen 4. Find out more about the Willow Cove core and CPU performance uplift in our technical article here.
Update 16:11 UTC: LP/DDR5 memory support for future memory. "A processor evolved"

Update 16:12 UTC: Tiger Lake compact logic board for 2-in-1 tablets.
Update 16:13 UTC: AI-accelerated performance much higher than AMD 4800U, as is CPU-heavy workloads. Much of Intel's design focus with this generation has been to leverage new AI-acceleration ISA, and suggest practical client-segment applications of the technology, such as in the area of video conferencing, where AI can be used to clear up your audio or blur/replace your background.
Update 16:15 UTC: Intel claims iGPU gaming performance lead over AMD's 4800U, including FPS. The Iris Xe represents a generational leap in performance for Intel, and we've been tracking performance benchmarks of this solution for several months now, where it's been trading blows with AMD's Vega-based iGPUs.
Update 16:18 UTC: Intel DLBoost will be heavily leveraged for AI-accelerated video-conferencing enhancements and background noise removal.
Update 16:18 UTC: Project Athena I/O. With this generation, USB4, Thunderbolt 4 (80 Gbps), and type-C ports take center-stage. Type-A USB will get increasingly rare. This means a whole ecosystem of new USB connectors, adapters, storage devices, and more, on the anvil.
Update 16:20 UTC: 1-second availability, like an iPad, fast charging, with 40% charge in 30 minutes. A fast-charging standard for laptops was much needed. Modern batteries charge at much higher voltages.
Update 16:22 UTC: New corporate identity.
Update 16:29 UTC: Intel EVO powered by Core. It's when 11th Gen Core meets Project Athena. The last time we had such a processor+platform umbrella brand, was with Intel Centrino, from the early 2000s.
Update 16:31 UTC: And that's a wrap for this session. In the next one, we'll cover the underlying architecture.

We will flesh out this whole post with more details over the next half hour, content will update automatically

Update 17:34 UTC: Intel gets into a technical deep-dive of "Tiger Lake"
Update 17:38 UTC: Intel posts some of its first performance guidance for Tiger Lake vs. 4800U.
Update 17:41 UTC: Earlier Gregory Bryant, and now Chris Walker, two top Intel execs refer to AMD as "our imitators" rather than "the competition." Clearly Ryzen APUs has Intel rattled, especially with AMD preparing two new APU silicons in 2021.

Update 17:44 UTC: Intel EVO is a combination of Intel Core + Project Athena. Kinda like Intel Centrino, from the 2000s.
Update 17:46 UTC: Intel highlights its software Software Enabling Engine ecosystem.
Update 17:48 UTC: Intel is betting bigger on AI, going beyond just DLBoost instruction sets.
Update 17:51 UTC: Intel develops new DLBoost DP4a evolved instruction set and new GNA accelerator engine.
Update 17:56 UTC: An overview of how Tiger Lake is an online collaboration solution powerhouse.
Update 17:58 UTC: Here it is! The first die-shot of TGL 4-core die, complete with its new I/O, interfaces. We get to see how much real-estate is taken up by the CPU cores in comparison to the Gen12 Xe iGPU.
Update 17:59 UTC: And here's the die-shot of the PCH die. On TGL-U, the PCH die sits on the same package, and talks over in-package DMI.
Update 18:00 UTC: Intel details its 10 nm SuperFin foundry node, which was detailed in Intel's Architecture Day brief.
Update 18:02 UTC: "Future Tiger Lake launches" our first hint that Intel isn't stopping with the U-segment.

Update 18:03 UTC: An overview of the "Willow Cove" CPU core, we detailed this in our Architecture Day brief.
Update 18:05 UTC: Here's the Gen12 Xe iGPU solution, based on Xe LP.
Update 18:06 UTC: This slide details how Intel addressed on-die bandwidth among the CPU- ,iGPU, and memory controllers.
Update 18:07 UTC: Display- and Audio- I/O come together with a focus on enhanced online collaboration enhancements.
Update 18:08 UTC: USB 4 and Thunderbolt 4 are the two major new I/O features, along with four CPU-attached PCIe Gen 4 lanes for SSDs.
Update 18:09 UTC: A comprehensive power-management solution is at play, which can dynamically wake up resources as they're needed.
Update 18:11 UTC: An illustration of DVFS. The fabric, memory, and CPU frequency domains are de-coupled.
Update 18:13 UTC: Tiger Lake SoC architecture at a glance.
Update 18:15 UTC: Intel elaborates on Intel Xe LP architecture that goes into the Gen12 Xe iGPU of Tiger Lake.Large selection of performance benchmarks.
Update 18:17 UTC: Here it is, the Iris Xe Graphics Solution.
Update 18:18 UTC: Xe features Variable Rate Shading Tier-1, which should significantly improve performance.
Update 18:20 UTC: The Xe Software Stack
Update 18:20 UTC: 1080p gaming on an Intel iGPU finally possible.
Update 18:21 UTC: Intel is beating AMD's "Renoir" graphics.
Update 18:22 UTC: ...and NVIDIA's GeForce MX350 discrete graphics solution.
Update 18:23 UTC: Dual Channel memory a "requirement" to ensure sufficient iGPU performance, notebook vendors can't cut corners with single-channel.
Update 18:24 UTC: Gaming + Streaming on iGPU.
Update 18:25 UTC: Ready for next-generation entertainment thanks to hardware decode for the latest video formats.
Update 18:26 UTC: Here it is, the complete product stack of the 11th Gen Core "Tiger Lake" mobile processors. TDP is no longer a flat value.
Update 18:30 UTC: Intel's Turbo Technology design overview.
Update 18:33 UTC: TDP across the form-factors.
Update 18:34 UTC: Consistency in performance between "AC and DC" (when plugged in vs. on battery)
Update 18:35 UTC: Benchmarks - Productivity, and AI performance.
Update 18:39 UTC: Intel talks about real-world benchmarks.
Update 18:43 UTC: A summary of 11th Gen Core "Tiger Lake"
Update 18:45 UTC: Intel DG1 discrete graphics announced!

Tech Q&A Session:
  • When will these devices be available? 150 platform designs across consumer and commercial. 50 of those will be available this Holiday season, starting October. 20 of those will be the new "EVO" platform.
  • Is the "Iris" Xe graphics core the same as the UHD architecture? It's the new Xe core across the whole product line from i3 to i7. For the higher-end Iris Xe brand you must have dual-channel and higher core count.
  • What's the change in ring frequency vs ICL? The ring is no longer statically bound to CPU freq via ratio but it senses what freq it needs dynamically. For example with 4.8 GHz CPU core, the ring can run very close to that, and even as low at Willow Cove on idle.
  • What is the benefit of OpenVino? OpenVino is toolkit that provides developers with pre-trained AI models, which helps accelerate their development. Means they don't have to design and train an AI. It's open source, Python and C++. The library also supports all major data types, including INT8.
  • How soon will 11th gen desktops catch up? Stay tuned for those announcements. Next year we will release TGL [mobile] it into commercial, also Celeron and Pentiums.
  • How are the PCIe lanes distributed? There's 4 PCIe Gen 4 lanes. So you would either connect a SSD to the PCH and use discrete graphics, or connect the discrete directly to the CPU and the SSD to the PCH.
  • UP3/UP4 separation? It is an operating range between 7 and 20 watts. It's really about the density of the board and the form factor. UP4 goes up to 15 W fan-less, thin and lights, sub-12 mm, sub-13" screen size.
  • Die size and transistor count? We're keeping that to ourselves.
  • TGL PCH manufacturing? 14 nm
  • Will all TGL mobile processors be 10 nm? Yes, 10 nm and Superfin.
  • When can we expect vPro SKUs? Next year, also for EVO
  • Peak gaming performance available for EVO? Yes, EVO requires Iris Xe, which also means dual-channel memory
  • Will those improvements, like transistor, metal stack, etc. be only used for mobile? We will apply them on the whole range.
  • Is there a gearing ratio between CPU/GPU/Ringbus? We have several clock and voltage domains. The ring is now able to operate autonomously.
  • PCIe Gen 4 available for UP3 and UP4? Yes
  • Does the PCH offer PCI-Express 4.0? The chipset offers PCI-Express 3.0
  • Will we see discrete graphics paired with Tiger Lake? Yes, but thinner and lighter systems will focus on Iris Xe IGP.
  • Bigger L2 and L3 affect latency? Yes, but our cache also runs much faster now. In many scenarios the latency is less, despite the larger cache
20:05 UTC: Project Athena session is starting now
20:06 UTC: Project Athena focuses on understanding and solving the requirements of the general consumer.
20:07 UTC: All Project Athena laptops come with guarantees, like battery life, responsiveness, etc
20:09 UTC: Tiger Lake is the foundation for the Intel Evo platform.
20:11 UTC: The minimum requirements go well beyond just performance. For example, minimum speaker quality is part of the program, too.
20:14 UTC: Size comparison of Tiger Lake UP4 vs other popular platforms.
20:14 UTC: Just like with AMD/NVIDIA graphics cards, Intel is building a reference design laptop, for which they validate all components. Partners get full access to that design and are free to adapt and improve—and feedback back to Intel.

20:19 UTC: Intel is now talking about the research behind project Athena. They worked with various groups, to get a wide sampling of the product's target audience.

20:25 UTC: Times have changed a lot, especially due to COVID.

20:29 UTC: Intel created various personas that they used as example for specific workload types.
20:31 UTC: They identified four core computing modes that are relevant for Project Athena laptops.
20:34 UTC: Are we ever going back to work in office spaces? What will we need from future laptops?
20:37 UTC: Intel is now presenting their testing methodology to get performance measurements. The traditional benchmarking is way too engineering specific, designed to isolate selected components performance. The new philosophy is to look for users experiences that get delivered, looking at what people do with their laptops. Testing is done with Internet connected, OEM junkware installed, display brightness at normal levels and on battery.
20:46 UTC: One key takeaway is that the feeling of "waiting", which interrupts your workflow, is the driving factor for "perceived" performance. Intel wants to optimize that, even on battery, to deliver a good, responsive, experience.
20:52 UTC: The battery life testing is much more realistic—Intel claims better than anything that exists or has existed in the industry.
That's the end of the presentation, a Q&A session follows.
  • Is there a minimum display resolution for EVO? Yes, Full HD, 1080p
  • Any other criteria like PPI? There's slightly different criteria for each kind of display, like OLED has a higher battery drain, etc. Color depth, contrast ratio are also part of the specifications.
  • How does EVO compare to gaming laptops with discrete graphics? These laptops are designed for general use, including some gaming and movies. Pure gaming laptops will offer better performance if you do nothing but game all day. EVO offers unseen performance per Watt though.
  • Does EVO apply to non-touch or clamshell designs? Yes, and we still insist on minimum levels of responsiveness and battery life.
  • Is the noise cancellation technology specific to the laptop's in-built speakers and microphone? No, it will work with a headset, too, for example.
  • Is there a cost for OEMs to have their laptops verified? It's a co-engineering program, which we've been doing for many years with the OEMs. We're providing the specification guidance a long time ahead and they give us feedback. That's how we make the next-generation laptop.
  • What does EVO stand for? We tested it on a target audience, it gives a sense of flow and evolution—laptop evolved.
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69 Comments on Intel 11th Gen Core "Tiger Lake" & Xe Graphics Launch Event: Live Blog

#1
Pinktulips7
Ohh That's great indeed, AMD run run as fast you can, Party is over now.
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#2
Raendor
If that igpu fps is indeed true, then it’s quite impressive. anything to expect on desktop 11 series during this presentation?
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#3
Imsochobo
gpu performance impressive, single core as expected, zen3 soon so for amd won't matter much.

for nvidia, those mx style gpu's ain't looking too hot.
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#4
Lightofhonor
"Optimized for performance only on Intel hardware"

So basically, don't believe anything.
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#5
londiste
Imsochobo
zen3 soon so for amd won't matter much.
Mobile Ryzen 4000 APUs were released in March and are still gaining ground. Half a year in means Zen3 is not exactly happening "soon".
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#6
Raendor
londiste
Mobile Ryzen 4000 APUs were released in March and are still gaining ground. Half a year in means Zen3 is not exactly happening "soon".
zen 3 based apus for sure, but hopefully the ordinary desktop cpus are still for release before 2021
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#8
Searing
Tiger Lake is another failed product, releasing 4 cores for more money than the 6 core competition, without performance to justify it.
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#9
R0H1T
Post Zen Intel's like :slap:

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#10
Dante Uchiha
It's fun to show high numbers on benchmarks, and hide the TDP(My bet's 28w vs 15w) and other specifications like memory frequency... Great.
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#12
AusWolf
"The world's best processor for thin and light laptops" ...that are generally not good for anything else than light web browsing, which is also possible on a potato.
"20% CPU performance improvement" ...over something.

PR people at Intel sure know how to speak a lot without really saying anything.
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#13
Lightofhonor
Dante Uchiha
It's fun to show high numbers on benchmarks, and hide the TDP(My bet's 28w vs 15w) and other specifications like memory frequency... Great.
Pretty much confirmed on Anandtech.
When comparing an Intel Core i7-1165G7 Tiger Lake system to an AMD Ryzen 7 4800U system (both configurations unknown at this point), Intel states it has the following performance advantages:
  • +28% Compute (SYSmark 25)
  • +67% Graphics (3DMark Fire Strike)
  • +300% AI (MLPerf)
1165G7 is their 28W part. Since their disclaimers say they only optimized the Intel machines, you can bet it's using the full 28W at least.

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#15
medi01
Imsochobo
zen3 soon so for amd won't matter much.
Renoir (4xxx series) is amazing as is, I have doubt this 4 core marketing lol is really beating it.
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#16
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
All AMD needs to do to counter this is create a 4C/8T Zen 3 (or even another Renoir) APU with an 11 CU iGPU at the same high clocks. This would be perfect for 14" and smaller laptops.

EDIT: Now that I think about it. All they need to do is release a new revision of the 4700U (8C/8T) with 11 CU and call it a day.
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#17
edbe
Intel reminds me of S3 Graphics with their Chrome line of GPU's that supposed to be the one with each release they could invent..
S3 Virge, Savage 3D was good then Savage 4 and the not working Savage 2000 then Chrome line a total failure.
S3 Graphics where now we did it now we will matter.. i recall called them Boomerang as their story was the same every time and more
because of my editorials i destroyed their official forum at that time..

Now here the same old story in Intel point of view..if i where Intel i will watch my back as ARM will have things to say very soon..
And AMD well AMD they can't be stopped anymore or at least reached as the Vega will be replaced soon by RDNA 2 and after a new generation.
And with 5nm+ AMD will bring 128 cores / 256 threads and with 2nm+ cores will double and by that time AMD will introduce 3D STACKING as integrated the full power of a GPU into a CPU !

Dedicated Graphics Cards will become extinct as the Future is FUSION by AMD prediction !

Intel is the dinosaur here.. and more look at the guy in the video i bet it has the air conditioning set to lowest as to not sweat when speaking vapor waves.. still he is paying to say things but he doesn't believe it either !
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#18
Zareek
Okay, so they still can't come up with a better product name than "Core"! These product names are getting insane. The Core 10xxx series was already a mouthful, now 11xxx. Seriously Intel, you need to fire the entire marketing department and start over!!!
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#19
R0H1T
Well tbf this is a solid release, the only pertinent questions here are ~ availability of TGL chips, which as BDW, CNL & ICL launches will show you isn't something Intel's done too well at lately. Secondly price ~ the chips seem to be coming at a substantial price premium just for the somewhat "competitive" Xe graphics? Why would I bother spending $1000+ on something mediocre, when I could likely get a 4600U+Ampere or RDNA2 dGPU? They'll not only obliterate anything Intel can muster in graphics, be more efficient (especially in graphics) & be way cheaper, also did I mention the 6c/12t in there! Realistically speaking Intel has about 2-3 quarters, depending on when Zen3 APUs launch, to make a bank on TGL. Post that they'll have to cut prices on some, if not most of these parts or offer their usual rebates!
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#20
Mark Little
I'll admit a little ignorance here but what is the smaller chip on the package?
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#21
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
Mark Little
I'll admit a little ignorance here but what is the smaller chip on the package?
That might be the PCH.
btarunr
Update 17:59 UTC: And here's the die-shot of the PCH die. On TGL-U, the PCH die sits on the same package, and talks over in-package DMI.

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#23
Mark Little
Cheeseball
That might be the PCH.
Thank you very much. That answers my question.
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#24
chodaboy19
Dear Intel,
We need some desktop CPUs too, thank you. :)

Sincerely,
My_bank_account
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#25
Nater
So why aren't there any desktop models with this 10nm Willow Cove business? We seriously have to wait into next year for the 1200 socket refresh?
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