Friday, February 12th 2021

Intel Apparently Discounting 10th-Gen CPUs in Bid to Claw Market from AMD

Intel has apparently begun discounting its desktop CPUs, perhaps in a bid to try and maintain market share earning momentum the company garnered in the last few months. As AMD struggles to keep up with consumer demand for its latest Ryzen 5000 series, Intel looks to be capitalizing on its vertical integration (as well as the fact that Intel owns its own fabs and fabricates in a more than mature 14 nm process). A interesting move by the blue giant, who has generally opted out of a price reduction strategy - a move that might make Intel look on the back foot, and as an alternative budget brand, to the incommensurately smaller AMD.

Various retailers have been carrying Intel inventory with much reduced prices over their official MSRP. Amazon, for example, is offering the Intel Core i7-10700K for $344, down from its average pricing of $383. In the same retailer, the iGPU-less i7-10700F processor is down from $315 one month ago to just $229. Odds are that this is an Intel decision because if one considers the amount of demand on PC products and components due to COVID-19, it's very likely that consumers who can't get an AMD 5000-series CPU will still choose to purchase hardware - even if it has to be from Intel. So retailers eschewing part of their profits at a time like this seems slightly off-character.
Source: TechSpot
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103 Comments on Intel Apparently Discounting 10th-Gen CPUs in Bid to Claw Market from AMD

#76
billEST
guys wafer is not fonctional processor .....

and they dont work 100 % for intel or amd ...
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#77
zlobby
Intel, meh! I wouldn't touch it with 6 feet pole.
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#78
TheoneandonlyMrK
Nice to see, better prices are welcome.
What's not to like about it.
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#79
xenocide
billEST
guys wafer is not fonctional processor .....

and they dont work 100 % for intel or amd ...
That is the unknown factor. We don't have numbers on yield, but we know that Intel had initially been struggling with yield on 10nm, and has since made improvements. Likewise, we know Samsung's 8nm process was struggling, but has since gotten better (for Nvidia 3000 series GPUs). TSMC's 7nm has good yield from what we've known, the problem is they are overloaded with requests. Between AMD CPU's, AMD GPU's, and various mobile SoC's, they have a ton of requests and cannot meet demand. Now, plenty of stuff in those categories is being shifted to their 5nm process, but that process is basically dominated by Apple, who has a deal that ensures they are the first in line for all new manufacturing nodes from TSMC.
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#80
Arcdar
Sadly seems to be over already - and never available for Germany :( .... In Germany the 10700F is listed @ 264€ on Amazon (and cheapest price on "Geizhals.de" is 258€) which is about 280$ ?

And even on the US page it isn't shown at the price mentioned here anymore. Just checked if I can get it delivered to my business partner and pick it up next time I'm there.... but sadly, also not an option. 230$ for the 10700F would
actually have been tempting :(

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#81
billEST
Arcdar
Sadly seems to be over already - and never available for Germany :( .... In Germany the 10700F is listed @ 264€ on Amazon (and cheapest price on "Geizhals.de" is 258€) which is about 280$ ?

And even on the US page it isn't shown at the price mentioned here anymore. Just checked if I can get it delivered to my business partner and pick it up next time I'm there.... but sadly, also not an option. 230$ for the 10700F would
actually have been tempting :(


6 week before new cpu !!! you have time , 370 chipse et 9 generation is already sell
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#82
Chrispy_
Intel 14nm has its downsides but I'm all for reduced prices on the 10700KF and 10400F. Those are already decent value and reasonably easy to find in stock, lower prices are always welcome.
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#83
Arcdar
billEST
6 week before new cpu !!! you have time , 370 chipse et 9 generation is already sell
I don't need "the newest" anymore.... I've grown past my urges to change my Cirix6x86 to an intel celeron 133 and this one to the celeron 166mmx in the timeframe of less than a year ;) . But as my "good old" 2500k is starting to fail me I have to replace it with something that is good enough for what I need it for. And as that's beside some Lightroom which all of them can handle (and is anyway accelerated by my 3070) just "light" gaming in 1440p I really don't care that much about the last %.

I just care about decent value for the money I spend - and, sadly, as I'd like to at least have a choice in ram-speeds it'll be a Z-board and a decent CPU (10400f and above) with some decent ram to it. Yes, I also looked at AMD but as I'm an asus-user since Pentium times the price/value isn't that much better (yes, that's the fault of Asus and my nitpicking stupidity of sticking with them even though they don't deserve it anymore :P ;) ).


So for me, this would have been a great deal. But whatever. I'll get a new one one day ^^
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#84
RandallFlagg
Arcdar
I don't need "the newest" anymore.... I've grown past my urges to change my Cirix6x86 to an intel celeron 133 and this one to the celeron 166mmx in the timeframe of less than a year ;) . But as my "good old" 2500k is starting to fail me I have to replace it with something that is good enough for what I need it for. And as that's beside some Lightroom which all of them can handle (and is anyway accelerated by my 3070) just "light" gaming in 1440p I really don't care that much about the last %.

I just care about decent value for the money I spend - and, sadly, as I'd like to at least have a choice in ram-speeds it'll be a Z-board and a decent CPU (10400f and above) with some decent ram to it. Yes, I also looked at AMD but as I'm an asus-user since Pentium times the price/value isn't that much better (yes, that's the fault of Asus and my nitpicking stupidity of sticking with them even though they don't deserve it anymore :p ;) ).


So for me, this would have been a great deal. But whatever. I'll get a new one one day ^^
Eh, I see the 10400F at 133 Euro on Amazon.de ($161 USD). By comparison the R5 3500 is 190 Euro i.e. about $230USD. Everything seems to be about 15% higher than in the US, but the 10400 is still relatively cheap.
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#85
ThrashZone
Arcdar
Sadly seems to be over already - and never available for Germany :( .... In Germany the 10700F is listed @ 264€ on Amazon (and cheapest price on "Geizhals.de" is 258€) which is about 280$ ?

And even on the US page it isn't shown at the price mentioned here anymore. Just checked if I can get it delivered to my business partner and pick it up next time I'm there.... but sadly, also not an option. 230$ for the 10700F would
actually have been tempting :(


Hi,
There it is people even get a cooler with it.
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#86
Arcdar
RandallFlagg
Eh, I see the 10400F at 133 Euro on Amazon.de ($161 USD). By comparison the R5 3500 is 190 Euro i.e. about $230USD. Everything seems to be about 15% higher than in the US, but the 10400 is still relatively cheap.
yeah. In general if something is shown MSRP in the US we take that number, add a € sign and ~10-20% on top and have our prices. Even though it doesn't make sense (and the taxes would actually easily be covered by the difference in currency - so 499$ could easily be sold at 499€ where the company still would make more profit from € sales .... but it's even easier to price-hike it even more :D ;) )
ThrashZone
Hi,
There it is people even get a cooler with it.
yeah. I don't really care about that, as I'll keep my 280mm Corsair AIO in any case - no matter if AMD or Intel being cooled ;) .... so why should I pay more just to have a cooler which I won't use?
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#87
londiste
Arcdar
yeah. In general if something is shown MSRP in the US we take that number, add a € sign and ~10-20% on top and have our prices. Even though it doesn't make sense (and the taxes would actually easily be covered by the difference in currency - so 499$ could easily be sold at 499€ where the company still would make more profit from € sales .... but it's even easier to price-hike it even more :D ;) )
Germany (like that Amazon.de example form before) has 19% VAT and that is always included in the shown price.
$499 is about 415€, add 19% to it and you get 494€.
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#88
Arcdar
londiste
Germany (like that Amazon.de example form before) has 19% VAT and that is always included in the shown price.
$499 is about 415€, add 19% to it and you get 494€.
So you do get, that what I said, is essentially right - a 499$ product could easily be sold for 499€ - but that's never the case (a 499$ product gets either a 549€ or even 500€ MSRP), except for Steam/digital sales, but even there they sometimes add "a bit on top" ( 19,99$ becomes 24,99€ ). Like I said. US MSRP + 10-20% on top and just exchange $ to € sign and you know what we pay for it.
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#89
Vayra86
zlobby
Intel, meh! I wouldn't touch it with 6 feet pole.
Try a 10nm one ;)

I think a lot of what Intel is getting in volume now is because quite simply, product is scarce. When supply channels are comfortable again, you will see more Zen success payout. The problem is that time is not on AMD's side, because their lead won't last indefinitely.

But I'm with you, honestly... after years of shitty quads and then piling onto that with a wealth of security problems and performance degradation because of fixes for it, its clear Core is at the end of its lifecycle and has been ever since 14nm / Skylake. What came after was just pushing the boundaries into inefficiency. And Intel has no solution right now, or in its current portfolio, they're just tossing every possible floorplan at the wall and pray something sticks.

Definitely not a company I'd support right now, as they're clearly displaying incompetence on every level, most notably long term lifecycle management. They should have had their 'groundbreaking new designs' in 2016 already, but they realistically started 3 years later even despite the absence of low hanging fruit - they were content just bumping up clocks and adding pluses, a move that directly harmed their 10nm value. Lifecycle management and how not to do it - they literally forced themselves to cannibalize the very node they invested too much in and are still trying to save. Do we even logic?
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#90
RandallFlagg
Arcdar
So you do get, that what I said, is essentially right - a 499$ product could easily be sold for 499€ - but that's never the case (a 499$ product gets either a 549€ or even 500€ MSRP), except for Steam/digital sales, but even there they sometimes add "a bit on top" ( 19,99$ becomes 24,99€ ). Like I said. US MSRP + 10-20% on top and just exchange $ to € sign and you know what we pay for it.
Out of curiosity, is there any further tax that adds to final actual cost in Germany?

To use the 133 Euro / $190 USD example of the 10400 - the lowest 10400F I see on Amazon US right now is $146.67. I live in Texas where sales tax is 8.25%, so my actual cost would be 146.67 + 12.10 sales tax = $158.77 which is the same as $131.1 Euro. So is that 133 Euro the actual final cost, or are there additional taxes like in the USA?

Worth noting that in the US, there are many different sales tax rates, it depends on the state you live in. As example Texas has slightly higher than normal sales tax and way higher than normal property tax, but no state income taxes.
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#91
londiste
RandallFlagg
Out of curiosity, is there any further tax that adds to final actual cost in Germany?
No, the listed price is what you pay.
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#92
ThrashZone
Hi,
All countries in the EU have a Vat import tax upwards to 19% on top of retail or even gougers price if shipped from another country
USA has import tax too just called a tariff instead of Vat.
Applies to rma costs too.
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#93
Arcdar
RandallFlagg
Out of curiosity, is there any further tax that adds to final actual cost in Germany?

To use the 133 Euro / $190 USD example of the 10400 - the lowest 10400F I see on Amazon US right now is $146.67. I live in Texas where sales tax is 8.25%, so my actual cost would be 146.67 + 12.10 sales tax = $158.77 which is the same as $131.1 Euro. So is that 133 Euro the actual final cost, or are there additional taxes like in the USA?

Worth noting that in the US, there are many different sales tax rates, it depends on the state you live in. As example Texas has slightly higher than normal sales tax and way higher than normal property tax, but no state income taxes.
yeah.... it was something that really bugged my all the time "over there" (I lived for 2.5 years in the Bay and 0.5 years in Boston). In Germany, and I think all of Europe, prices shown are what you pay. Including taxes. In every regard. Shopping, restaurants, gas, etc.

So no, as londiste said, nothing added on top. So yes, like I said, the 10400f is very nicely priced :) ... sadly, it's the only one priced this ncely :(
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#94
GerKNG
enough said :) (i got it delivered and it's brand new and sealed.)
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#95
DAWMan
Amazing how people still believe a processor can be locked.

They’re simply lower binned CPUs, but I like the cheaper lower watt variants for streaming audio.
You can easily get 400MHz on a single voltage bump.

When I see someone even mention the CPU is locked I thank them because now I know I can avoid reading further “expert” opinions.
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#96
Ufasas
RandallFlagg
If you're near a microcenter, it's even better.

10600K for $189. 10700K (yes K) is $279. 10850K is $350.

10400 is $129 and 10700 is $249, which both come with a stock cooler - and you can use the stock cooler with both of those no problem.
10600k - 125 wattage, my i5-3570k - 77 wattage, no thanks, i OCed 3570k to 4.5ghz, and it runs like ferrari, still no upgrade needed
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#97
Mr Bill
Ufasas
10600k - 125 wattage, my i5-3570k - 77 wattage, no thanks, i OCed 3570k to 4.5ghz, and it runs like ferrari, still no upgrade needed
I have one of those 3570k laying around, what board are you using, because I would like to do something with it. Thanks Bill
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#98
Ufasas
Mr Bill
I have one of those 3570k laying around, what board are you using, because I would like to do something with it. Thanks Bill
p8z77-V LX Asus only, but you need to raise core voltage in bios to help it run without freeze at desktop when you run daily apps, the rest of mobos i don't rely on at all, got cooler master 212 evo cooler at quiet levels, and after 100% cpu stress applications it seems rock solid at 4.5 GHZ for all 2021 i've been running ever since (i had it at 4.2 ghz years ago, but got worried because i didn't know core voltage tricks, so i returned back to default 3.4-3.8ghz), i can reach i5-9400 cpubenchmark,net score of 85%~ at around 8000-8800 points, i5-9400 unoverclocked scores around 9515, which is still twice as lower as ryzen5 3600 - 17000~. At this point 3570k doesn't bottleneck gtx 1060 3gb and giving me nice 100+ fps @ 1080p with lowered medium to high settings. Got this 3570k used 5 years ago for 100 pounds, probably ran it overclocked for 12 months with pauses at max, and it still is a shockingly stable cpu. Haven't tried run cyberpunk 2077, don't want to upgrade just for this game, but I have hopes that after patches it will run decently at least
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#99
medi01
Oh wow:



So, 125W I7 11700k is ok eating 290W. Curious.
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#100
R0H1T
The only upside is probably that it's officially rated at 125W TDP I guess?
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