Wednesday, July 14th 2021

Intel Core i9-12900K Qualification Sample Reportedly Beats AMD Ryzen 9 5950X

The Intel Core i9-12900K is the companies upcoming flagship 12th Generation Alder Lake-S processor featuring a hybrid design with 8 high-performance cores and 8 high-efficiency cores. The qualification sample for the processor reportedly features a base clock of 3.9 GHz and a boost clock of 5.3 GHz which is less than initial rumors which claimed boost speeds could reach 5.5 GHz. The processor achieved a multi-core score of 11300 points in Cinebench R20 which is 800 points higher than AMD's flagship Ryzen 9 5950X. Intel's 12th Generation Alder Lake-S processors will be manufactured on the 10 nm Enhanced SuperFin node and will include support for PCIe 5.0 and DDR5. Intel is expected to announce the processors in Q3 2021 for a Q4 2021 release which will position them against AMD's upcoming V-Cache technology expected to arrive in early 2022.
Sources: NGA.cn, VideoCardz
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38 Comments on Intel Core i9-12900K Qualification Sample Reportedly Beats AMD Ryzen 9 5950X

#1
Patriot
So they took a benchmark of 1 QS chip and "scaled it" to the other...
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#2
Camm
Pretty cool. Wonder what power usage is for it though, all well and good to beat it, another thing to have to immediately throttle afterwards due to power draw.
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#3
Tomorrow
Took them only a year to beat AMD? Well thats progress i suppose. Ofcourse this might be shortlived considering the V-Cache models coming out shortly after and Zen4 in 2022.
The important thing is not to fall into P4 "PressHot" cycle where AMD could charge 1000+ bucks for their top of the line mainstream chips due to lack of competition.
Im reasonably certain Intel can avoid that this time. Atleast on mainstream and mobile. Im far more pessimistic about their chanches on server and HEDT tho.
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#4
ZoneDymo
This is such fud...

Anywho even if it would come close, it would be impressive given the core deficit.

No doubt intel will ask a rediculous amount of.money for it and you need windows 11 so we will see how it does.
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#5
GoldenX
Is this a like "Xe beats Vega" or is it actually true this time?
Also, can we get chips that don't need 300W to reach what the box says, Intel, please?
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#6
Hossein Almet
Well, right now I want to reduce boost clock of my 5950X to 4.7 or 4.8 GHz so that I game in warmer weather, but don't know how:(
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#7
DeathtoGnomes
so they are comparing PCIe4 and DDR4 (AMD) to PCIe5 and DDR5 (Intel). On top of that, a not yet in production and reviewed chip to one that has been ??
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#8
Hyderz
looking foward to see how these cpu will perform, the 11th gen was a bit of a letdown..
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#9
watzupken
Till we see the actual results from reliable and independent sources, this leak is to be taken with a grain of salt. I do expect Alder Lake to be a decent bump up from the current Rocket Lake and possibly faster than the current Ryzen 5000 series, but at what cost? To achieve 5.3 Ghz sounds like its going to be a power guzzler as usual.
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#10
Patriot
Hossein AlmetWell, right now I want to reduce boost clock of my 5950X to 4.7 or 4.8 GHz so that I game in warmer weather, but don't know how:(
put it in eco mode, or ctdp limit it to whatever you want with ryzenmaster or ctr
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#11
Hossein Almet
I want to it in BIOS,
Patriotput it in eco mode, or ctdp limit it to whatever you want with ryzenmaster or ctr
I want to do it in BIOS, with the Asus AI suite, you can only toggle between Power saver mode and performance moth, there isn't the middle way.
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#12
ZoneDymo
watzupkenTill we see the actual results from reliable and independent sources, this leak is to be taken with a grain of salt. I do expect Alder Lake to be a decent bump up from the current Rocket Lake and possibly faster than the current Ryzen 5000 series, but at what cost? To achieve 5.3 Ghz sounds like its going to be a power guzzler as usual.
I would say more then a grain considering they simply multiplied the score based on hearsay about the final boost clock.... I mean that is assumptions based on assumptions....
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#13
Tomgang
That's good, but I all ready have a 5950X. So I'm good.

But it's going to be good for Intel and those who still buys Intel cpu, that they finally moves away from 14 nm. But there hybrid core arkitektur. I think is great for laptops and other battery powered systems. However for desktop use, I would not have any use of it. I prefer more powerful cores.
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#14
Patriot
Hossein AlmetI want to it in BIOS,

I want to do it in BIOS, with the Asus AI suite, you can only toggle between Power saver mode and performance moth, there isn't the middle way.
So do it in the UEFI... reduce the power limits... and it will auto downclock... also CTR has a lot more tuning options than AMDs tool.
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#15
Melvis
Yeah....Naaa I dont think so. Intels 10nm in Laptops cant even match AMD's IPC 7nm 5000 Series CPU's so I cant see this been true at all regardless been on DDR5.

Anyone remember the 11th Gen was said to be faster then AMD as well and ended up NOT been the case? (Desktop)

Sorry I think this is fud till I see independent reviews .
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#16
Richards
Intel back to take they throne.. 6ghz is coming soon
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#17
AnarchoPrimitiv
Well, preliminary reports for Zen4 are already saying a 29% IPC uplift (or it could be a 29% overall core for core uplift, but I think the former is correct) , add in that v-cache, a 100-200Mhz frequency bump, and a few other tweaks and it could easily be a 35%+ core for core improvement, so I'm not sure if Alder lake besting the 5950x by 9% will be enough, as that still leaves at least, but probably more, a hypothetical 20% performance gap for which Intel has to compensate. Granted this is an engineering sample (allegedly), but I've never personally witnessed a 20%+ performance increase between an ES and the final product.

With respect to what's best for consumers, I would argue that we still need at least 3-5 years more of AMD being on top for them to capture enough of the x86 T.A.M. across all sectors to ensure that they have enough market penetration and financial success to guarantee that they can maintain all their gains for the foreseeable future. If AMD's post-Zen gains are rolled back over the next several years, we could easily return to the era of complete stagnation and less than 5% generation over generation performance gains that Intel presided over prior to the release of the Zen architecture.... And I would assume that nobody wants to return to those dark ages.

Yeah, I was right the first time, a 29% IPC uplift:

www.techpowerup.com/278321/amd-zen-4-reportedly-features-a-29-ipc-boost-over-zen-3
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#18
thegnome
Not suprising given that the golden cove cores are 20% higher ipc than RKL which already matched Zen 3, not to forget the 8 Skylake-ish cores too.
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#19
Fourstaff
I will be surprised if this doesn't beat AMD's offering, they are finally fighting at the same transistor density and Intel has much more time to refine it.
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#20
ThrashZone
Hossein AlmetI want to it in BIOS,

I want to do it in BIOS, with the Asus AI suite, you can only toggle between Power saver mode and performance moth, there isn't the middle way.
Hi,
New os utility that replaced ai suite is armoury crate which is the same crapware none the less by another name
Bios is ai tweaker
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#21
BorisDG
TomgangThat's good, but I all ready have a 5950X. So I'm good.
Yeah. For me next step/upgrade is Sapphire Rapids-X (if comes next year at that time) from what I can see. Always was big fan of Intel's HEDT.
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#22
AnarchoPrimitiv
FourstaffI will be surprised if this doesn't beat AMD's offering, they are finally fighting at the same transistor density and Intel has much more time to refine it.
Intel 10nm is the same density as TSMC 5nm? I thought Intel 10nm was equivocal to TSMC 7nm, but I could be wrong
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#23
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Why don't they just have 16 high performance cores? I don't like this arrangement. If AMD can do it, then so can Intel. "High efficiency", I slower for less power consumption is something you want on a laptop, not a desktop. Or just undervolt and underclock the high performance cores to get "high efficiency" ffs.
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#24
Fourstaff
AnarchoPrimitivIntel 10nm is the same density as TSMC 5nm? I thought Intel 10nm was equivocal to TSMC 7nm, but I could be wrong
Ryzen 5xxx is still using 7nm.
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#25
Tomgang
BorisDGYeah. For me next step/upgrade is Sapphire Rapids-X (if comes next year at that time) from what I can see. Always was big fan of Intel's HEDT.
Ah i see. With 16 cores and coming from X58/I7 980X. I have plenty of power with 5950X. My next thing Is a better gpu. Hoping for asus rtx 3080 ti tuf or strix.
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