Monday, August 30th 2021

Microsoft to Ban Unsupported Machines from Windows 11 Updates

With pre-release builds of Microsoft's upcoming operating system, Windows 11, doing rounds, the PC enthusiast community has developed various workarounds to the system requirement of a hardware trusted-platform module 2.0 (TPM 2.0) for the operating system. Microsoft itself also suggested that those on older machines (without TPMs), who cannot upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, have the option of performing a clean-installation of the new operating system using its ISO installer disk image.

These machines, however, will be treated as "unsupported," will not have access to Windows Update, and may potentially be barred from receiving important security updates. Microsoft recommends, however, that those who don't meet the system requirements of Windows 11 remain on Windows 10. The company plans to maintain support for Windows 10 up to October 14, 2025, which means four more years of security updates for the older operating system. The choice, hence, would be between upgrading hardware to meet Windows 11 requirements, or to remain on Windows 10 until Q4-2025.
Source: HotHardware
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125 Comments on Microsoft to Ban Unsupported Machines from Windows 11 Updates

#1
lynx29
yeah I plan to just stay on win 10 until 2023 most likely on my work laptop, i mean they are supporting win 10 until end of 2025, literally no reason to upgrade til then if you don't. people need to chill.
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#3
DrCR
Kind of unfair that only they get that feature option. (;
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#4
GeorgeMan
That's great! A good 180 degrees turn around, because with windows 10 they wanted everyone updated, forcing even feature updates to companies, breaking various stuff with each one of them...
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#5
matar
Was waiting for windows 11 and i have tpm 2.0 , but after watching a detailed review not upgrading for now will see if the final ver. would be better.
One thing i wanted most is direct storage and now its coming to window 10 so i can wait.
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#6
lightning70
The motherboard has TPM 2.0 but the processor is skylake 6700, I will stay with windows 10.
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#7
lemoncarbonate
I already totally lost my interest in W11 since I watched LTT's video about the UI and user experience. One major step backward is the "show more options" menu in almost every right click menu which shows the old W10 right click menu such as zipping or extracting. I don't appreciate extra unnecessary mouse movement for such a simple task.



And it's unacceptable how Microsoft is forcing its paying users to use Edge. Changing the default browser looks more difficult and time consuming more than ever with W11.

So yeah, if W11 stays like this, I'll be staying with W10 as long as possible even after its support is ended in 2025. I turned off the update anyway.
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#8
john_
Incoming patch to enable them. Microsoft could leak one if programmers are unable to make one.
Microsoft unofficially will do anything to increase the adoption rate of 11, no matter what they are doing officially.
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#9
londiste
Storm in a teacup.
More likely than not is that this is something The Verge misunderstood.
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#10
matar
lemoncarbonateI already totally lost my interest in W11 since I watched LTT's video about the UI and user experience. One major step backward is the "show more options" menu in almost every right click menu which shows the old W10 right click menu such as zipping or extracting. I don't appreciate extra unnecessary mouse movement for such a simple task.



And it's unacceptable how Microsoft is forcing its paying users to use Edge. Changing the default browser looks more difficult and time consuming more than ever with W11.

So yeah, if W11 stays like this, I'll be staying with W10 as long as possible even after its support is ended in 2025. I turned off the update anyway.
i had posted i may not update , thanks for the pic did not want to explain why but now i will , in the pic you will need to click show more options to see 7-zip and other stuff , and right clicking on the taskbar gives you only 1 option , and no folder in start and soooo on.
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#11
delshay
I will be taking a closer look in the future to older motherboards/Laptop that do not have TPM. The reason for this I just took a quick glance of a old DDR3 motherboard & the through solder/pads are there for the module, but there are no pins.
I expect there are going to be older motherboards/laptop where you solder the missing parts direct to the PCB other than having the pin header.
Not concerned at the moment but I will fix this issue in hardware in the future.


EDIT: Photo of missing TPM header DDR3 motherboard (see red boxes)
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#12
Hyderz
microsoft needs to be clear about which machines can receive updates.
like asus just released z270 boards with support 6th and 7th gen cpu and enable tpm 2.0, these machine qualify for updates?
but microsoft websites only states 8th gen and upwards support windows updates from what i can understand
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#13
TheOne
I have to wonder if there will be a simple bypass for this.
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#14
watzupken
lemoncarbonateI already totally lost my interest in W11 since I watched LTT's video about the UI and user experience. One major step backward is the "show more options" menu in almost every right click menu which shows the old W10 right click menu such as zipping or extracting. I don't appreciate extra unnecessary mouse movement for such a simple task.



And it's unacceptable how Microsoft is forcing its paying users to use Edge. Changing the default browser looks more difficult and time consuming more than ever with W11.

So yeah, if W11 stays like this, I'll be staying with W10 as long as possible even after its support is ended in 2025. I turned off the update anyway.
For me, I am already using Edge as my default browser, so not much of an issue if I had to make a jump. But for me, there is little reason to make the jump. There are some new and useful features on W11, but not compelling for me to upgrade. In addition, I am more worried about MS messing up Windows updates as they always do. So while the UI has improved, it is mostly cosmetic changes.
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#15
ZoneDymo
I find it odd that governments are not up in arms over this because technically the big restrains on system requirements, of otherwise perfectly fine components, that are fast enough to last another decade, will now be E-waste.

I am kinda the IT of my family, as Im sure we all are, my mother still uses my old PC which is a Q9550 based system, and guess what? its perfectly fine for what she does on the PC (browsing the news, some youtube vids, MS Teams, word processing) but she won't be able to hold on to that if we need to jump to windows 11.
And I cant even give her my current PC as that as well (2600k based) is too old to meet the requirements for windows 11.

So yeah sure we can stay on Windows 10 but to throw away perfectly fine hardware for the task....just because the new OS just says no....is rather crazy.
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#16
HIGHLANDER58
For Microsoft to say that users with unsupported hardware will be banned from receiving their bug filled, system breaking updates is among the best news I have heard in a long time. I just hope they finally mean that and leave us with with still fairly powerful computers the hell alone. I have an older Asus Rampage 5 extreme motherboard and the Intel core I7 5960X happily humming along at 5.00GHZ on Windows 10 pro Enterprise and and never any issues until Micro crap does its forcing bug filled updates on us and then almost every single time, it means spending the entire night reprogramming it. I have done the work around and tried running Windows 11 and it really is not much more than core Windows 10 files with a theme pack cramped on top of it, but now filled with even more bugs and even more forced updates. I would love to have Micro craps promise to ban me permanently in writing since they generally go back on their word. As far as their so called security and driver updates, Micro crap is living in a fantasy if it thinks there are not considerably better after market alternatives that actually work and not break hardware almost every time.
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#17
LutinChris
Here is my solution:
Triple boot: a big partition with Win 7 for (work, web, multimedia), a medium partition with Win 10 only to play games, and a small partition with Manjaro just in case.
I spend 80% of my time on Win 7, 19% on Win 10 20H01 (all updates blocked), 1% on Linux. So sorry Microsoft, but Win 11 is a DOA OS.
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#18
W1zzard
Wait, so if I make Windows think I have an old CPU, I can easily and permanently turn off updates? This might actually be an awesome feature.
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#19
TheDeeGee
lemoncarbonateI already totally lost my interest in W11 since I watched LTT's video about the UI and user experience. One major step backward is the "show more options" menu in almost every right click menu which shows the old W10 right click menu such as zipping or extracting. I don't appreciate extra unnecessary mouse movement for such a simple task.



And it's unacceptable how Microsoft is forcing its paying users to use Edge. Changing the default browser looks more difficult and time consuming more than ever with W11.

So yeah, if W11 stays like this, I'll be staying with W10 as long as possible even after its support is ended in 2025. I turned off the update anyway.
When i saw that i had a "but why?" moment.

I use the right click menu often for archiving and what not.

I use Edge for over a year now, so that doesn't affect me. It's a very good browser.
LutinChrisHere is my solution:
Triple boot: a big partition with Win 7 for (work, web, multimedia), a medium partition with Win 10 only to play games, and a small partition with Manjaro just in case.
I spend 80% of my time on Win 7, 19% on Win 10 20H01 (all updates blocked), 1% on Linux. So sorry Microsoft, but Win 11 is a DOA OS.
Win 7 for web?

What are you browsing for? Ransomware?
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#20
DeathtoGnomes
W1zzardWait, so if I make Windows think I have an old CPU, I can easily and permanently turn off updates? This might actually be an awesome feature.
Thats not a bad idea, once you get a build that you like without issues. I already block update checking with Tinywall.
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#21
Prima.Vera
I thought M$ said that Win10 will be its lasts OS ;)

Seriously, I know is too early to ask, but what will Win11 bring over Win10 that is such a big deal? Security via TPM? :)))
Really, for home users who own their PCs??
No, really
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#22
BSim500
W1zzardWait, so if I make Windows think I have an old CPU, I can easily and permanently turn off updates? This might actually be an awesome feature.
Indeed. "No forced updates" isn't a bug. It's a feature...
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#23
TheManInBlack
lemoncarbonateI already totally lost my interest in W11 since I watched LTT's video about the UI and user experience. One major step backward is the "show more options" menu in almost every right click menu which shows the old W10 right click menu such as zipping or extracting. I don't appreciate extra unnecessary mouse movement for such a simple task.



And it's unacceptable how Microsoft is forcing its paying users to use Edge. Changing the default browser looks more difficult and time consuming more than ever with W11.

So yeah, if W11 stays like this, I'll be staying with W10 as long as possible even after its support is ended in 2025. I turned off the update anyway.
So just to b clear, you're making your decision based on a video!? Brilliant. Why not try it out, and see for yourself instead of regurgitating the tripe the naysayers on the web babble out of them. Whilst it has flaws (which will be ironed out with each new dev release) it's actually a pretty slick OS. Everything works as it should, at least in my own experience.
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#24
lexluthermiester
btarunrThese machines, however, will be treated as "unsupported," will not have access to Windows Update
Aww, gee wiz microsoft, no more forced fricken updates that screw up our installations. You're really hurting our feelings...

In all seriousness, this is just more motivation to run Windows 11 on a non-compliant system!
btarunrand may potentially be barred from receiving important security updates.
Now this might be tricky from an ethical and legal perspective. But as long as manual update packages are still made available they can escape getting sued.
eidairaman1W7 for me.
I'm still using 7 on one of my systems as well.
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