Prima.VeraTwice as fast means instead of 100fps on 4K (3090) it can output 200fps, right? ;)

TiggerCan't wait to see these actual cards, sure there will be a few members showing their rigs with these power monsters in, funniest part will be the justification stories for buying them.

THU31Did you even read this "rumor" article?

I never understood where those 600 W or more rumors came from. TSMC 5N has triple the transistor density over Samsung 8N. And the 40 series might even be made on the 4N process.

So with "only" 16128 CUDA cores (much less than double over 3090), a 450 W TDP should mean a huge increase in the number of RT cores, and probably very high clocks.

Maybe the 4090 Ti can get to 600 W, with more shaders and even crazier clocks. But if it costs $3000, whether the TDP is 300 W or 600 W makes no difference, as only a few people will buy it anyway.

ModEl4In what way is he disappointed with RDNA3?

gasolinaas a matter of facts i believe that both amd + nvidia agree to increase power consumption purposely since corps need to sell us 1000-1200w psu they made a tons of these sincec mining days . my best bet is the 4090/ti would be around 500-575w and amd around 10-15% lower in term of consumption. These type of rumours came from amd twitter hardcore fan bois , remember back then the 680 give us better per with less power consumption than the 480 and 580....... or 1080 vs the old 980/980ti but we save the environment by using more power hungry stuff lul

LenneMSRP is going to be 3000-4000 USD? We saw already that they can price these whatever they want, and they're still selling.

Yale_Law99I just purchased a new Zotac NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB GDDR6X)for $900.00 on Amazon

blueferrariI no longer see the point in all this graphics power, as we have enough power now to meet the needs of 4K ultra settings with the likes of the current 3080ti and 3090s for that matter. They should now be focused on efficiency, not power hungry hardware.

Yale_Law99As someone who works in the film industry, I can attest that we will continually need MORE powerful GPUs to keep up with the hardware requirements needed to render 8K and higher video footage. We don't use consumer/gaming graphics cards for editing and rendering pro-grade footage since we need MUCH more powerful cards than the consumer RTX series to process special effects and convert footage to different formats. Even the 3090 Ti is far too slow to be practical in the post-production phase of filmmaking. Most of our editing rigs are custom built for us by a company that specializes in ultra high end video editing systems. Most of the newer systems cost upward of $50,000 and come equipped with multiple server-grade GPUs and multi CPU motherboards. The good part about the release of the 40 series is that the cost of professional grade video cards will drop, allowing us to stretch our budget farther than before. There will always be a need for more powerful GPUs and CPUs, even if you're just gaming with your PC. Progress will continue, and games will require more and more powerful hardware to keep up with the latest software graphics engines used, especially as we transition to 8K monitors for gaming and video editing. When 1080p was the industry standard for gaming, most people didn't see a need for 4K hardware. Now that 4K gaming is on the rise, 8K will become more and more commonplace, following the same trend that computer hardware and software have always followed. As far as efficiency is concerned, you are correct that the manufacturers should be more focused on creating more efficient GPUs. Energy prices are soaring and the U.S. isn't going green fast enough to justify the wattage these GPUs are pulling.

HisDivineOrderThat's precisely why I think they released the Ti series. They were setting the stage for raising their MSRP's, but they need a higher baseline to raise from than the 30 series started out with.

The 3080 was $700. To put that at what is likely $1200+, it would look terrible. No way to slice that except to release a 3080 12GB with a new effective MSRP of $1k. Now "only" $200 more. Same with the 3090. That was a "budget friendly" $1500, but Nvidia fixed that by releasing the 3090 Ti for $2000. Now only $500 more. Same with the 3070 at $500 versus the 3070 Ti at $600.

They released that entire line to juice the MSRP to make the next bump in MSRP's not seem as dramatic. So I wouldn't compare the 4090 pricing to the 3090. I'd compare it to the 3090 Ti. That's why that latter card had to come out no matter what. It was essential to look like they were doing a markup of $500 instead of $1k.

Kinda suggests the 4090 will be $2500+, the 4080 will be $1.2k+, the 4070 will be $650+ to me. That's the MSRP of the baseline cards. We all know you have to add another $100-200 for AIB cards.

Yale_Law99As someone who works in the film industry, I can attest that we will continually need MORE powerful GPUs to keep up with the hardware requirements needed to render 8K and higher video footage. We don't use consumer/gaming graphics cards for editing and rendering pro-grade footage since we need MUCH more powerful cards than the consumer RTX series to process special effects and convert footage to different formats. Even the 3090 Ti is far too slow to be practical in the post-production phase of filmmaking. Most of our editing rigs are custom built for us by a company that specializes in ultra high end video editing systems. Most of the newer systems cost upward of $50,000 and come equipped with multiple server-grade GPUs and multi CPU motherboards. The good part about the release of the 40 series is that the cost of professional grade video cards will drop, allowing us to stretch our budget farther than before. There will always be a need for more powerful GPUs and CPUs, even if you're just gaming with your PC. Progress will continue, and games will require more and more powerful hardware to keep up with the latest software graphics engines used, especially as we transition to 8K monitors for gaming and video editing. When 1080p was the industry standard for gaming, most people didn't see a need for 4K hardware. Now that 4K gaming is on the rise, 8K will become more and more commonplace, following the same trend that computer hardware and software have always followed. As far as efficiency is concerned, you are correct that the manufacturers should be more focused on creating more efficient GPUs. Energy prices are soaring and the U.S. isn't going green fast enough to justify the wattage these GPUs are pulling.

Yale_Law99As someone who works in the film industry, I can attest that we will continually need MORE powerful GPUs to keep up with the hardware requirements needed to render 8K and higher video footage. We don't use consumer/gaming graphics cards for editing and rendering pro-grade footage since we need MUCH more powerful cards than the consumer RTX series to process special effects and convert footage to different formats. Even the 3090 Ti is far too slow to be practical in the post-production phase of filmmaking. Most of our editing rigs are custom built for us by a company that specializes in ultra high end video editing systems. Most of the newer systems cost upward of $50,000 and come equipped with multiple server-grade GPUs and multi CPU motherboards. The good part about the release of the 40 series is that the cost of professional grade video cards will drop, allowing us to stretch our budget farther than before. There will always be a need for more powerful GPUs and CPUs, even if you're just gaming with your PC. Progress will continue, and games will require more and more powerful hardware to keep up with the latest software graphics engines used, especially as we transition to 8K monitors for gaming and video editing. When 1080p was the industry standard for gaming, most people didn't see a need for 4K hardware. Now that 4K gaming is on the rise, 8K will become more and more commonplace, following the same trend that computer hardware and software have always followed. As far as efficiency is concerned, you are correct that the manufacturers should be more focused on creating more efficient GPUs. Energy prices are soaring and the U.S. isn't going green fast enough to justify the wattage these GPUs are pulling.

blueferrariI no longer see the point in all this graphics power, as we have enough power now to meet the needs of 4K ultra settings with the likes of the current 3080ti and 3090s for that matter. They should now be focused on efficiency, not power hungry hardware.

Wuudsd8634Exactly my thoughts. There isn't a game currently in existence that a 3090/3090ti can't handle. It also doesn't appear that there are any upcoming titles that call for such power. Look at steam surveys and the current gen consoles. Most people are FINALLY moving up to 1440p. 4k and above is like an infinitesimally small number of the global PC user base. For machine learning and AI research I understand the power upgrade, but for consumers? As a 3090Ti owner, I have to ask WTF are people going to do with a 4090Ti? The 30 series cards are finally hitting software maturity, and Nvidia is about to drop an entirely new architecture? It's senseless.

THU31You bought a card with no efficiency for $2000 (at least that was the initial price) and you are asking what people will do with a 4090 Ti? Seems like a total contradiction.

Those cards are not for "most" people. That is why they cost ludicrous amounts of money, because there will always be enthusiasts that will buy them. They do not have to sell a lot of them, since the margins are insane.