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Report Claims that Intel Raptor Lake Refresh Debuting in October

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Chinese tech tipster Enthusiast Citizen (ECSM) has once again posted about upcoming Intel CPU product launches—according to an inside info post (published via Bilibili), Team Blue has possibly scheduled their Raptor Lake Refresh/14th Gen Core K-series for a release window around the 42nd week of 2023 (October 17 - 23). ECSM posits that non-K models will arrive during the first week of 2024, coinciding with January's CES trade event. The Core i7-14700K model is said to feature a new configuration of 8 Performance and 12 Efficiency cores, and current LGA1700 motherboards will most likely require a firmware upgrade to run this specific SKU.

ECSM also seems to have insider information regarding motherboard chipsets for desktop Arrow Lake/15th Gen Core, although they cannot determine an accurate time frame for the (fully new) product launch. Intel Z890, B860 and H810 chipsets are named as possible upcoming candidates for proper next generation CPUs, with H870 allegedly dropped from development. ECSM claims that a competing AMD Zen 5 lineup is not arriving this year—prior insider information was perhaps fabricated. They believe that Storm Peak (Zen 4 Threadripper) is scheduled for Q4 2023, with two unnamed chipsets lined up to accompany this next-gen HEDT platform.
Sources: ECSM Official on Bilibili, VideoCardz

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67 Comments on Report Claims that Intel Raptor Lake Refresh Debuting in October

#26
Minus Infinity
If MLisD can be trusted, Raptor R is actually going to get the DLVR and despite higher clocks we may not see higher power. One would hope clock-for-clock Raptor R would be at least 10% more efficient than Raptor.
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#27
trparky
dyonoctisI agree that The PL2 can be brutal, but you are not supposed to run at that wattage beyond 1 minute.
Then what the hell is the point of having a 13900K if you can't run it at full speed for anything longer than a minute?
dyonoctisIntel having to stay on 10nm is an issue, but boards manufacturers trying to get ahead of each other are also giving those chips a bad reputation.
If anything, this shows that Intel needs to get their asses in gear already because seriously, this is really making them look bad. They don't even need AMD to make them look bad, they're doing it all by themselves.
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#28
dyonoctis
trparkyThen what the hell is the point of having a 13900K if you can't run it at full speed for anything longer than a minute?
Even at stock settings the 13900k is still very fast for it's price. Puget reviews are made with Intel and AMD default specs enforced, and it doesn't suddenly become a slow CPU even when you enforce the limits :
13th Gen Intel Core Processors Content Creation Review | Puget Systems

The i9 are a bit of a special case though, since according to Intel documentation, the KS is supposed to run at full speed all the time, and the K got an official "extreme config" where it will run at full power as well, but for the other it's out of specs to do so.
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#30
Chaitanya
trparkyThen what the hell is the point of having a 13900K if you can't run it at full speed for anything longer than a minute?

If anything, this shows that Intel needs to get their asses in gear already because seriously, this is really making them look bad. They don't even need AMD to make them look bad, they're doing it all by themselves.
1st it was 14nm and now 10nm, Intel needs a complete reevaluation of their business.
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#31
trparky
Chaitanya1st it was 14nm and now 10nm, Intel needs a complete reevaluation of their business.
Bingo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Let's admit it already, TSMC is kicking Intel's ass. If they could only get the process down, they'd be able to win but no... TSMC is taking the crown and AMD is along for the ride.
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#32
dyonoctis
Chaitanya1st it was 14nm and now 10nm, Intel needs a complete reevaluation of their business.
There's already a few rumors going around about Intel fully using TSMC 3nm for arrow lake. That's the most reasonable choice, but also a loss for western manufacturing capabilities. It's one thing that MTL-S got cancelled, but Intel can't even make a die shrink of RPL, when Intel 4 was supposed to be around 2 years earlier
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#33
phanbuey
trparkyBingo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Let's admit it already, TSMC is kicking Intel's ass. If they could only get the process down, they'd be able to win but no... TSMC is taking the crown and AMD is along for the ride.
Until they aren't -- don't forget intel is the only somewhat competitive western fab; so they're not going anywhere even if they start bleeding money.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a Nordstream situation when the Taiwan issue materializes.
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#34
Dyatlov A
sLowEndThe non-k parts don’t have poor efficiency
www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13400f/21.html
especially the overclocable 12th gen Non K’s have very good efficiency, i play games between 45-60W at 5.4GHz. And will be funny 12th Gen “Non K” much faster than 13th and 14th gen Non K’s :laugh:.
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#36
AusWolf
So now, Intel releases a new chipset generation not just for new CPU architectures, but also for refreshes. Interesting.
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#37
Why_Me
trparkySo, will Intel be providing a nuclear power station style cooling tower to cool their CPUs? Because you're going to need it. :shadedshu:
One thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.
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#38
beedoo
Why_MeOne thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.
I know - my AM5 chip catches fire every night. It's getting quite tedious.
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#39
AusWolf
Why_MeOne thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.
How do AM5 chips fry? I have two of them, so do tell me, please. ;)
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#42
Why_Me
AusWolf1. That's on motherboard vendors (especially Asus) going crazy with their SoC voltage values. CPUs don't just "fry themselves".
2. Every single motherboard vendor has given out BIOS updates with reasonable voltage limits in place.
They fried.

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#43
Unregistered
Why_MeOne thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.
will the 14th gen intel cpus fix the permanent mechanical socket flaw of the bending lga1700?

they could technically make cpus with curved or oblique IHS to address the issue

my last intel was haswell - i got the option to upgrade to haswell "refresh" which was a total nonsense. Upgraded 4670k to ryzen 7700x last month. Interesting how refresh will look this time. Obv lga1700 was not an option because of power consumption and platform longevity.
#44
Daven
Why_MeOne thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.
With AMD chips frying themselves spontaneously inside its retail packaging and Nvidia chips catching fire just by looking at the power connector, Intel can’t lose, right guy?
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#45
Bomby569
BorisDGI still don't understad why those CPUs should come every year like EA's FIFA... and not "cook" something better and release it like every 2-3 years.. just like GPUs. They are so boring and semi...
Marketing! it's like the cars, even if you have nothing new to launch, you change the lights a bit and release it as new and fresh. The theory goes a bit like this, customers get bored and you have to present something new or the competition will snatch your customers.
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#46
dyonoctis
AusWolfSo now, Intel releases a new chipset generation not just for new CPU architectures, but also for refreshes. Interesting.
They are ? All rumors so far indicated that z890 would be reserved for arrow lake, and Raptor lake would at best see a refresh of Z790/B760 boards with wifi 7/5Gb Lan on some models

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#47
AusWolf
Bomby569Marketing! it's like the cars, even if you have nothing new to launch, you change the lights a bit and release it as new and fresh. The theory goes a bit like this, customers get bored and you have to present something new or the competition will snatch your customers.
Besides, just because there's something new around the corner, it doesn't mean you have to upgrade, spending the same money you spent last year for 10% more performance.
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#48
trparky
AusWolfBesides, just because there's something new around the corner, it doesn't mean you have to upgrade, spending the same money you spent last year for 10% more performance.
Exactly. I wish they'd hold back until they had something worthwhile to sell. If it takes two or three years, so what? At least they'd have a decent product to sell.
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#49
AusWolf
trparkyExactly. I wish they'd hold back until they had something worthwhile to sell. If it takes two or three years, so what? At least they'd have a decent product to sell.
That's a valid point if you're on current gen hardware. But what if you're not? Would you not upgrade to a 14900K instead of a 13900K or 12900K?
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#50
trparky
AusWolfThat's a valid point if you're on current gen hardware. But what if you're not? Would you not upgrade to a 14900K instead of a 13900K or 12900K?
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution. I don't even know what the solution is.
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