Legacy-ZAThings are more interconnected than they appear. Example, many U.S companies outsource their IP to be made elsewhere for cheaper labour, and as the cost to the U.S increases, so it will also affect other countries, it's a free-for-all at the moment, interesting times, lot's of money to be made for those that have capital and are not fearful.

Exactly. We live in a global world where things happening in one place affect things happening in another.

AusWolfThen why did prices increase all over the world?

I don't know the supply chain 100%, but I suspect these products go through the US before coming here.

AMD did dirty on US with those initial discounts, but pricing still seems better in Europe if you discount VAT. Look newegg vs geizhals

Onasi For people who just need a toy I am sure AMD will come out with a good option in the 9600XT (or whatever it will end up being called). Hell, the 9700 non-XT could be a good seller if it was slashed by 50 bucks and ACTUALLY sold at that price.

The copiest of cope, that bold part.

This is what someone fighting a brand war look like, ladies and gentlemen. When the thing they support (likely because of sunk-cost fallacy) is fucking horrible value, some resort to gaslighting.

...and don't worry, 9070 will get cheaper; I'm sure AMD knows many agree with you (myself included on price) and as soon as the momentum slows they'll do it.
It already IS a good seller, but then will continue to be. Why are you acting like it isn't sold out almost everywhere already (right now)?
I am savoring this before it occurs so I can look back on it remembering people that understood and those that didn't, and how their perceptions change once it does.
Because I've been around the block a few times, and have seen it all before. I will admit, for some, with regard to AMD GPUs, it's been a while. It really does take a massive upset for many to change their ways.
But nVIDIA's doing their best to make it happen for AMD. :)

AusWolfI wouldn't pay more than 300 for an 8 GB card in the middle of 2025, but maybe that's just me.

And then over 400 for an x60-level SKU that has half of the shader count of the 5070 Ti that got released for $750 (and was still way overpriced)? Not a chance in hell.

Neither does AMD, I think. And most rational people. Sometimes I think the rational people are growing in numbers, but there's a lot of uninformed blind-buyers still out there...and nVIDIA will happily oblige.

This truly is going to be quite the interesting generation; I can understand people that bought 4080/4090, even if I think not great value, because they served a purpose that still (generally) holds true.
But this generation buying literally any nVIDIA part is absolutely moronic, because they will all quickly be outdated just as fast as the last one...and still cost a fortune.
Meanwhile, AMD put out a card that's arguably better than a 4080 for half it's original price, and the part below it (that will eventually be very cheap) can flash to that same performance; killer gen.

So, it will be interesting to see how the makeup looks in the future. While it literally takes the generation it occurs, such as now, for people to understand going into the next one, I am curious if it is happening.
And we will see that perception change as future generations are released...or if the younger generation truly is just that brainwashed by 'influencers' and will just keep living with bad decisions. IDK.

Legacy-ZAThings are more interconnected than they appear. Example, many U.S companies outsource their IP to be made elsewhere for cheaper labour, and as the cost to the U.S increases, so it will also affect other countries, it's a free-for-all at the moment, interesting times, lot's of money to be made for those that have capital and are not fearful.

To expand a little more, remember there are more in silicon to make a chip, well a GPU or CPU, there are other materials that are sourced from elsewhere etc. and so forth, which are also subject to tariffs from not only the U.S, but elsewhere.

Nintendo cancelled pre orders specifically in the US.
Americans just have to deal with the consequences, don't mix everyone up there, it's not even remotely comparable in terms of consequences. The rest of the world will have more availability, more supply so prices will go down for us.

I doubt it'll be available at those prices.

lambdaI doubt it'll be available at those prices.

why not? Americans can't afford them, all their supply will be going for the rest of the world, i think this time we will finally fix gpu prices.

Bomby569why not? Americans can't afford them, all their supply will be going for the rest of the world, i think this time we will finally fix gpu prices.

Not sure if serious. Americans seem to have fair amount of disposable income.

The 5070ti 's MSRP is 950USD for me, actual retail price is around $1100-1200.

AusWolfI wouldn't pay more than 300 for an 8 GB card in the middle of 2025, but maybe that's just me.

And then over 400 for an x60-level SKU that has half of the shader count of the 5070 Ti that got released for $750 (and was still way overpriced)? Not a chance in hell.

I honestly think it's pretty sad when a 5060Ti can have more GB than a 5070.

Outback BronzeI honestly think it's pretty sad when a 5060Ti can have more GB than a 5070.

3060 vs 3070 all over again.

Bomby569Nintendo cancelled pre orders specifically in the US.
Americans just have to deal with the consequences, don't mix everyone up there, it's not even remotely comparable in terms of consequences. The rest of the world will have more availability, more supply so prices will go down for us.

Yeah, I thought the same thing, but one thing is for certain, this "supply & demand" thing is a myth, everyone is capitalizing on this, they don't give a damn, and there are so many excuses they can use at this point.

Legacy-ZAYeah, I thought the same thing, but one thing is for certain, this "supply & demand" thing is a myth, everyone is capitalizing on this, they don't give a damn, and there are so many excuses they can use at this point.

Supply and demand isn't a myth. It's very real. The only thing people don't realise is that it can be controlled (manipulated).

lambdaNot sure if serious. Americans seem to have fair amount of disposable income.

The 5070ti 's MSRP is 950USD for me, actual retail price is around $1100-1200.

most sold cards are the 5060, are most Americans that buy those cards, ready to pay 1000usd+ for one?
Aren't the large majority of Americans living paycheck to paycheck? That's the real America.
Are these Americans with a fair amount of disposable income in the room with you right now? :D

eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2024/12/05/living-paycheck-to-paycheck-debt/76733415007/

AusWolfSupply and demand isn't a myth. It's very real. The only thing people don't realise is that it can be controlled (manipulated).

And that is what makes it a myth. :P

Outback BronzeI honestly think it's pretty sad when a 5060Ti can have more GB than a 5070.

Don't worry there will be a 18GB model of the 5070...

*Shushes the 5060ti 24gb model out of the room*

Edit: even tho a 12 GB version of the 5060ti is much more likely & i would laugh if the new 5070 (super?) version only had 15 GB vram so it can slot under the 5070ti

AusWolfSupply and demand isn't a myth. It's very real. The only thing people don't realise is that it can be controlled (manipulated).

everyone does it, that's not a conspiracy. I've worked in a couple of companies, and we were always planing production according to projected sales.

alwaysstsThe copiest of cope, that bold part.

This is what someone fighting a brand war look like, ladies and gentlemen. When the thing they support (likely because of sunk-cost fallacy) is fucking horrible value, some resort to gaslighting.

…yes, someone who hasn’t upgraded his personal GPU since Pascal and has repeatedly criticized NVidia on these very forums and has, again, repeatedly recommended AMD GPUs for gaming is an NV brand loyalist. Totally. Mhmm.

Brother, I literally said that FOR WORK it’s a good value since 16GB is a respectable memory amount and there are quite a lot of workloads where CUDA is non-negotiable. I don’t like the situation, but it is what it is. I really couldn’t care less what the gaming performance is nowadays, any reasonable modern GPU will play games just fine. I have no horse in that race, I literally do not care. But upgrading my personal home rig for not a lot of cash (hopefully) so that I can run more stuff from home? Yeah, surprisingly that does matter to me.

I swear, most “enthusiasts” can’t see further than “muh gaming” in any scenario or context.

Bomby569everyone does it, that's not a conspiracy. I've worked in a couple of companies, and we were always planing production according to projected sales.

Yep, no point in wastage; nGreedia knew damn well what the demand is from past sales data and the fact that they stopped producing the previous generation months before the RTX5000 series, was going to drive scarcity even more, did they just think people would stop buying? No, they knew and they wanted to drive prices upward, freaking xx60 performance at xx80 pricing, scumbags.

Legacy-ZAYep, no point in wastage; nGreedia knew damn well what the demand is from past sales data and the fact that they stopped producing the previous generation months before the RTX5000 series, was going to drive scarcity even more, did they just think people would stop buying? No, they knew and they wanted to drive prices upward, freaking xx60 performance at xx80 pricing, scumbags.

there is more at play here. the same silicon that is finite will sell for 10K on the AI cards, why on Earth would they sell them for 2K to gamers. They could be sued by the shareholders if they did that.
They are making just enough not to completely alienate the market.
This is not some evil conspiracy, this is normal business making... for the most part. 8GB cards that seems unnecessary and scummy, but i guess they have so much money and sell all they produce that they can afford to act like assholes.

$430 + tax for a 4060ti with gdrr7

Amazing value for gamers :D

Red Hood$430 + tax for a 4060ti with gdrr7

Amazing value for gamers :D

i think you mean a 3060 ti with gddr7 :D

Bomby569the world is not the US, this may seem like a shock i know, but tariffs didn't change in Europe.

That's true, not directly but it could still have a knock-on effect outside the US. Whether it will be significant remains to be seen. I'm surprised by how cheap the MSRP is, even keeping it at the same nominal level would have been a real terms price cut so it is quite an aggressive discount especially on the 16GB card.

MSRP are entirely fictional numbers at this point. Also all the AIB's will stick a RTX 5090 cooler on these tiny chips for some dumb reason and charge 100-200€ more for it. Yay. AIB's are entirely disconnected from reality just like NVIDIA and unfortunately so are people paying insane money for bigger coolers and meaningless OC, to a point that low tier card with factory OC and better cooler often cost more than base model of a tier higher model. All while delivering single digit performance benefits. How people pay for that is just insane.

Also slap tariffs on that and it'll be COVID fun time all over again with prices for Americans.

SilentPeaceThat's true, not directly but it could still have a knock-on effect outside the US. Whether it will be significant remains to be seen. I'm surprised by how cheap the MSRP is, even keeping it at the same nominal level would have been a real terms price cut so it is quite an aggressive discount especially on the 16GB card.

i understand what you are thinking, a global crisis and linked supply chain
but for me if you remove a market like the US from the equation, because they won't be buying with a 100% increase in price, and at least until companies reduce production to adjust for the low demand, we'll have in the rest of the world a excess of supply from those Americans that will no longer buy cards, so prices are more likely to go down not up

It’s got that terrible power connector though?

hsewIt’s got that terrible power connector though?

That is not a problem for a low tdp gpus. It's actually not that great that amd are not using them.