Oh come on, everyone stop pretending you never got the memo:

MSRP = Make-believe Suggested Retail Plot

Much like my desire to pull the trigger on a 9700 XT and yet $600 (or close) is nowhere to be seen.

Now you have the MSRP memo. For those who quickly forget, just think of a unicorn - attractively magical, rare and you’ll never actually see one.

OnasiThis is actually vaguely reasonable if true. I mean, that MSRP won’t hold in the real life actually, but an attempt is made, I suppose.

Could also be reasonable if the performance isn't that great. If the 5060TI 16gb was matching a 4070 performance wise for example it wouldn't be $429.

Hope it doesn't end up $429 because it barely matches a 3070 Ti for example

8 gig SKU should be dead now really, no way is 8 gig VRAM worth a mere $50 saving.

The ShieldFake prices, as always has been since 2017.
And people is STILL saying "hey, this time this price is good..." (where "good price" is pricing the lowest tier card like a top tier of few years ago...).
The Far Cry 3 definition of insanity.

I looked at your post history. 95% of your posts are complaining about the prices of everything. Your point was made a year ago. Now you’re just screaming into the wind because reasons, I guess.

Hecate91Pre-orders were delayed in Canada as well, but every company can just blame everything on tariffs. It's incredibly stupid to not sell anything over selling now and increase prices when the products are on shelves.
On the topic it's not like the MSRP even means anything, but tech sites are going to hype up the fictional prices anyway while conveniently ignoring the driver issues. Yay fake frames and fake prices.

Oh look, someone who thinks he knows more about business than CNBC journalists.

You guys crack me up, please post more!

Visible NoiseI looked at your post history. 95% of your posts are complaining about the prices of everything. Your point was made a year ago. Now you’re just screaming into the wind because reasons, I guess.


Oh look, someone who thinks he knows more about business than CNBC journalists.

You guys crack me up, please post more!

Do you have something useful to contribute, or do you just enjoy mocking people?

AusWolfI wouldn't pay more than 300 for an 8 GB card in the middle of 2025, but maybe that's just me.

And then over 400 for an x60-level SKU that has half of the shader count of the 5070 Ti that got released for $750 (and was still way overpriced)? Not a chance in hell.

Red Hood$430 + tax for a 4060ti with gdrr7

Amazing value for gamers :D

RejZoRMSRP are entirely fictional numbers at this point. Also all the AIB's will stick a RTX 5090 cooler on these tiny chips for some dumb reason and charge 100-200€ more for it. Yay. AIB's are entirely disconnected from reality just like NVIDIA and unfortunately so are people paying insane money for bigger coolers and meaningless OC, to a point that low tier card with factory OC and better cooler often cost more than base model of a tier higher model. All while delivering single digit performance benefits. How people pay for that is just insane.

Also slap tariffs on that and it'll be COVID fun time all over again with prices for Americans.

Hecate91You care enough to be calling a $430 x60 card a "decent value".

MistralThe "MSRP" deception continuous...

dartuilSo minimum 500 and 600 in real world.

rv8000Expect $499/$569 to be closer to actual pricing for the cheap models

All the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

Visible NoiseAll the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

ahem ahem,

980 (sold), 1080 TI, 2080 TI and RTX 3080 owner here!! The only AMD card Ive had a crack at was a dell XPS office prebuilt... probably 15 years ago

I'm not complaining at all... just reminding people not to be alarmed at MSRP prices which hardly represent real-world prices nowadays. Applies to AMD cards too (if you didn't catch that in the previous post).

Visible NoiseAll the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

Do you truly believe street prices will be (or stay) $379/$429? Based on what we've seen with this year's other launches, I expect ASPs at least $100 over that, and wouldn't be surprised to see +$150 or more.

I also don't see how one's preferred card vendor automatically invalidates their opinion on future real-world pricing.

wheresmycarahem ahem,

980 (sold), 1080 TI, 2080 TI and RTX 3080 owner here!! The only AMD card Ive had a crack at was a dell XPS office prebuilt... probably 15 years ago

I'm not complaining at all... just reminding people not to be alarmed at MSRP prices which hardly represent real-world prices nowadays. Applies to AMD cards too (if you didn't catch that in the previous post).

Apologies, misquote. I will edit!

Hallejujah. A somewhat proper pricing stack. Not as much as I'd hoped, but there's still hope, at least.

Now, if there comes a time where there's enough supply to go around to actually see these at MSRP, now that would be something. Here's to hoping GB206 has better yields than the rest of the stack.

Visible NoiseAll the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

-That's impossible, there are more posters in this thread than there are people that buy AMD cards, so some of the complaining is coming from NV buyers! o_O

Visible NoiseI looked at your post history. 95% of your posts are complaining about the prices of everything. Your point was made a year ago. Now you’re just screaming into the wind because reasons, I guess.

Usually, stalkers don't go around bragging about it like you did.

Going down to your level, I see by YOUR posting history, with a 200% Nvidia defense ratio, that you are the usual fanboy who patrols the web trying to mess with people who doesn't follow your fanboy religion.

Inflation sucks. Die for die equal to GTX1060 though.. (Believe this one is closer to 180mm2)

www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1060-6-gb.c2862

200mm2 @ 300 USD = 400 today. Only difference is there was actual generational improvement.

TSMC wafer cost is like 3-4x higher. Not sure on exact numbers, but EE design cost 100% costs more... Industry switched from high low/side mos on low PCB counts to heavy layers (PCI 4.0/5.0 integrity) and SPS.

A global trade war (us vs china) and VRAM stagnation is really gonna wreck this card. Believe goal is to shift the lower end 8GB models to 12GB via 3GB GDDR7 dies, but they're obviously waiting for a refresh. Double stack 2GB dies via 16GB will likely EOL when that happens.

Prob better off just grabbing a MSRP 5070 at this point. (If possible). Market price on these will likely be $100-200 higher..


Wonder how low AMD can get the 9060 XT. (32 CU.) Will be interesting.

scoozeWell, it's logical that it shouldn't be 400/500 again when the 5070 costs 550, not 600. Only a madman would buy the 4060ti16 for 500 when the 5070 costs 550. But the 4060ti should have been lowered to 350, 380 is a joke.


279 would be good, but considering that 5060 will grow significantly compared to 4060, then 300 is a minimum without a chance.

5060Ti have more Vram.
So why Mad man?
Ppls here whine all the time how bad 8Gb or 12GB Vram is.

lambdaI doubt it'll be available at those prices.

+ Vat + AIB
So ofc its not available at those prices

Legacy-ZAYep, no point in wastage; nGreedia knew damn well what the demand is from past sales data and the fact that they stopped producing the previous generation months before the RTX5000 series, was going to drive scarcity even more, did they just think people would stop buying? No, they knew and they wanted to drive prices upward, freaking xx60 performance at xx80 pricing, scumbags.

Just like AMDead GPUs, scumbags did the same for AMD..

But that Okay right of Big Amd warrior?

MarkoB88RX 9060 will prolly be better choice

OFC for Amd fans

RainingTaccoBasically 3060ti(memory bandwidth and cuda cores amount is pretty much same)with increased core clock. This would give 20 percent performance advantage. Pretty bad considering its two generations difference.

3060Ti was much expensive Vs 5060Ti

MistralThe "MSRP" deception continuous...

If dont know how VAT or AIB extra works.. then its easy to think its deception

The ShieldFake prices, as always has been since 2017.
And people is STILL saying "hey, this time this price is good..." (where "good price" is pricing the lowest tier card like a top tier of few years ago...).
The Far Cry 3 definition of insanity.

Everything is expensive for poor ppls, thats just how it is

80-watt HamsterDo you truly believe street prices will be (or stay) $379/$429? Based on what we've seen with this year's other launches, I expect ASPs at least $100 over that, and wouldn't be surprised to see +$150 or more.

I also don't see how one's preferred card vendor automatically invalidates their opinion on future real-world pricing.

Add VAT + AIB

so how it can be 379 or 429 afther those...

GodisanAtheist-That's impossible, there are more posters in this thread than there are people that buy AMD cards, so some of the complaining is coming from NV buyers! o_O

Forums are full of AMD warriors...

DaworaJust like AMDead GPUs, scumbags did the same for AMD..

But that Okay right of Big Amd warrior?

No, it's why I didn't buy their 9070XT despite in being on par/better in some cases than the 5070Ti, they happily sat back and watched while the market is screaming for GPUs, they had cards available since December 2024. They just kept pushing back their launch day more and more, they probably wanted to see what nGreedia does regarding pricing. To me, they just appeared weak, what, they couldn't make up their minds what to price their silicon, even with all the past price/performance data and people asking for relief? Sheesh.

DaworaEverything is expensive for poor ppls, thats just how it is
Forums are full of AMD warriors...

I see you are the same fanboy who wrote before with another account. How many accounts do you have?
You must have A LOT of free time.

THANK FUCKING GOD! 5060 Ti 16GB here I come! Makes me hopeful for the 5060, maybe it won't be that bad?

jaszyInflation sucks. Die for die equal to GTX1060 though.. (Believe this one is closer to 180mm2)

www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1060-6-gb.c2862

200mm2 @ 300 USD = 400 today. Only difference is there was actual generational improvement.

TSMC wafer cost is like 3-4x higher. Not sure on exact numbers, but EE design cost 100% costs more... Industry switched from high low/side mos on low PCB counts to heavy layers (PCI 4.0/5.0 integrity) and SPS.

A global trade war (us vs china) and VRAM stagnation is really gonna wreck this card. Believe goal is to shift the lower end 8GB models to 12GB via 3GB GDDR7 dies, but they're obviously waiting for a refresh. Double stack 2GB dies via 16GB will likely EOL when that happens.

Prob better off just grabbing a MSRP 5070 at this point. (If possible). Market price on these will likely be $100-200 higher..


Wonder how low AMD can get the 9060 XT. (32 CU.) Will be interesting.

Why the hell would anybody buy a 5070, especially if 3GB refreshes are right around the corner? The 5070 is the first GPU that should get that treatment, it's kneecapped by the 12GB and is not worth it even at MSRP.

I also wonder what AMD's going to do. The 7600 16GB was $330 after all.

Visible NoiseAll the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

I've owned nothing but NVIDIA for last 10 years, so your theory has already fallen into water... I'd also buy RTX 5080 if it wasn't so obscenely expensive. I've owned GTX 980, GTX 1080Ti and RTX 3080 before. I didn't buy RTX 5080 because its price is just absolutely absurd compared to all the former 80 series card that I had and I didn't buy RTX 5070Ti either because it too was entirely absurdly priced at 1400€ and not even being 80 series card !?!!? I did buy RX 9070 XT. While expensive, it wasn't obscene like everything from NVIDIA. And so far I'm actually very happy. It's incredible performer, no issues with it what so ever and my god AMD software is literal decades ahead of NVIDIA's. Imagine vendor being like "Here's an overclocking tool already built in". And all NVIDIA could offer me is this idiotic auto tune thing that takes half an hour and then says it faield at 29 minute and you have to do it all over again. You already know what the clock target is for your GPU, but you clean reinstalled the driver? Half an hour wait it is again, assuming it doesn't randomly fail. With AMD I just move the slider like I'd be using MSI Afterburner, but I don't have to.

So, yeah, NVIDIA can kindly shove it up theirs. So, excuse me if I don't think most fondly of their methods and results even if I had nothing but their cards for ages. Just because they have untouchable crown product it doesn't mean they have immunity to everything. They are still the asshole.

At this point I'd urge people to wait for AMD to release RX 9060 series and then decide. Their 9070 series are phenomenal, it's likely 9060 will be too.

Dawora3060Ti was much expensive Vs 5060Ti

It also was a RTX 5070 Ti level gpu! 3060ti (399$) vs 5070ti (849$) 5060Ti is way worse than a RTX 3060 Ti (completely different gpu tier) RTX 5060ti replaces GTX 1050ti (139$) not a RTX 3060ti (399$)

Visible NoiseAll the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

2 out of my 3 PCs have Intel + Nvidia hardware in them, so you couldn't have shot further from the truth. My main gaming rig currently has AMD in it, but that doesn't make me an "AMD user".
I've also used a lot more Intel and Nvidia hardware through my nearly 30 years of PC building than I have AMD. But that doesn't stop you from jumping to the wrong conclusion, I guess.

And no, these prices are not lower than I expected.

Edit: Never judge a random stranger on an online forum by the hardware he's currently using. Not everybody who owns something is a fan.

Visible NoiseAll the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

Nothing is lower because msrp does not work as usually.

2007-2025 13 vs 5 every year nvidia gets worse and worse. Last decent gpus from nvidia was GTX 900/1000 and RTX 30 Series.

7100GS
HD4670
GT240
GTX 470
GTX 670
GTX 770
GTX 780
GTX 980
GTX 970
GTX 1070
GTX 1080
GTX 1080Ti
RX 5700 XT
GTX 2070 Super
RX 6800
RTX 3080
RX 7900 XT
RX 7800 XT

Legacy-ZANo, it's why I didn't buy their 9070XT despite in being on par/better in some cases than the 5070Ti, they happily sat back and watched while the market is screaming for GPUs, they had cards available since December 2024. They just kept pushing back their launch day more and more, they probably wanted to see what nGreedia does regarding pricing. To me, they just appeared weak, what, they couldn't make up their minds what to price their silicon, even with all the past price/performance data and people asking for relief? Sheesh.

Nvidia's current prices are a no-go for me. When the 9070 XT came out, I thought it's either launch price or nothing. £600 is the limit. Luckily, I managed to grab mine at launch for £570, so there's that. :)

Edit: Not to mention, AMD is a smoother ride on Linux which is a plus to me. That's not fanboyism, just fact.

AusWolfNvidia's current prices are a no-go for me. When the 9070 XT came out, I thought it's either launch price or nothing. £600 is the limit. Luckily, I managed to grab mine at launch for £570, so there's that. :)

Edit: Not to mention, AMD is a smoother ride on Linux which is a plus to me. That's not fanboyism, just fact.

Good you got an upgrade now, 9070 XT good step forward for AMD.

Maybe in a year time we will see those msrp..

Anyway, like in any game, you should wait 6 month at least before buying. Let the bugs iron out and the stock pile up so cost is somewhat reasonable.

Visible NoiseAll the AMD users that wouldn’t touch an Nvidia product that so far have complained about Nvidia prices in this thread, regardless of the fact that they are lower than expected.

I have a 4080s, 9070xt, and 2070s all actively in use. But please let your bias fuel posting unrelated comments.

Apologies for posting likely prices based on what we’ve seen this generation.