If EA wants to solve the hacker problem, they should make PC Cafe to play with Battlefield. I don't think they need to build a lot of them and it might be cheaper that fixing the hacker problem with what they are doing right now.

Been running with secure boot enabled since I can remember but I would love if users wouldn't have to jump through the hoops to play the actual game. We all know that if somebody wants to cheat in a video game they will find a way to do it either way.
I'm more worried about the items listed as "Capable", namely VBS and HVCI (memory integrity) - any modern PC should be capable of having them enabled but it doesn't mean that it will be enabled.

When I was a young lad we had just server lists and no server was by the dev. Yet cheaters were dealt with fast and because most server admins and mods were in contact most couldn't play on the popular servers with hours. Nowadays cheater can just go cheat for months on end until the dev does a ban wave. The community did it better than any dev ever have achieved and after 2 decades they still don't learn.

HakkerWhen I was a young lad we had just server lists and no server was by the dev. Yet cheaters were dealt with fast and because most server admins and mods were in contact most couldn't play on the popular servers with hours. Nowadays cheater can just go cheat for months on end until the dev does a ban wave. The community did it better than any dev ever have achieved and after 2 decades they still don't learn.

That only works for stupid cheaters, guys that turn rocket launcher into MLRS or headshot people from across the maps.

ChomiqThat only works for stupid cheaters, guys that turn rocket launcher into MLRS or headshot people from across the maps.

And it also is completely impossible with the scale of modern popular (that’s the important bit) MP games. Sure, it’s somewhat feasible to have enough admins to police the higher ELOs for cheaters, that’s vaguely what Riot admitted to doing in Valorant. But for the ENTIRE playerbase? That’s literally not feasible. There are hundreds of thousands to even above a million players in these games concurrently running thousands of matches. Matches made by a MM system, BTW, not via a dedicated server with an insulated community where people know each other. Policing THAT via human touch is just not workable. And, as you said, some cheats are genuinely almost impossible to discern via eyetest and even then there is a probability of just dealing with an exceptionally talented player - like a lot of people joke in CS that if you showed Donks stats and in-game performance to someone out of context they would say he is cheating all day every day. In fact, some of his stats are ABOVE blatant cheaters, and yet he does it professionally on LAN on the biggest stages.

lexluthermiesterThere are always better ways to do things. EA is, as usually, taking the mickey and the easy way out..

It seems on topic to me. The article is about the merits of having to turn on SecureBoot to play BF6, so mentioning the downsides is right on track.

Personally, I think it would be well worth people saying why the don't like it. Generally speaking, no one ever does. They all just rage against it for reasons unknown, though I generally get the idea that it's a mistrust of Microsoft.

Mr. PerfectPersonally, I think it would be well worth people saying why the don't like it. Generally speaking, no one ever does. They all just rage against it for reasons unknown, though I generally get the idea that it's a mistrust of Microsoft.

I can not use my computer wiht TPM active = TPM enabled and / or (applies for both) with Secure boot active = enabled

I do not trust the insecure TPM and therefore i do not want insecure implementation even available on my mainboard

I bought a computer for general purpose use and not as a gamingstation 6 from Pony or a windows computer only.


w11 pro with an older installation worked yesterday with an offline user, no microsoft account, acitavted windows, not in use microsoft store, no tpm and no secure boot. Although the installation refuses to update quite often without tpm active.

I do not see where the benefit is in secure boot and tpm. With the binary insecure e.g. Asus Prime X670-p mainboard secure boot and tpm will not make the box more secure. Taht is another topic and out of scope. I just mentioned it to state the issue goes much deeper as just TPM and secure boot. It is out of scope to discuss that uefi is bad, tpm is bad and secure boot is bad. Asus for example did not patch a uefi security issue for 5 weeks. As said this text box is out of scope and topic. ...

Personally I prefer if the mainboard firmware and hardware would really remove tpm and secure boot completly. One hex file with tpm and secure boot when windows 11 pro demands every few months those options. one hex file without those insecure options. As said out of scope

I also dislike when games or windows software enforces certain hardware restrictions. I just do not want to see any requirement for such things. They should fix it another way. I am quite sure there are other parameters where server owners could filter out such events without using such a bad software solution.

note: user asked why - i gave my motivation.

lexluthermiesterI don't buy EA games unless they're on GOG, soooo....
(Take a damn hint EA)

Also, eff SecureBoot.

They taking hints,

Yeah, until the mindless "dum dum"-s keep buying their 💩 ...
So don't hold your breath brother.

W1zzardAgree 100%. I told my news team to post this to raise awareness of EA's terrible approach, not an ad

Can't remember when did I buy an EA product, it was Crysis I think.

csendesmarkThey taking hints

Hint: look at the portion of those numbers coming from live service games

csendesmarkThey taking hints,

Yeah, until the mindless "dum dum"-s keep buying their 💩 ...
So don't hold your breath brother.


Can't remember when did I buy an EA product, it was Crysis I think.

That would be pretty bad for a public company, profits need to go up every year. Just checking their last earnings seems they fell 52% from the year before... So maybe people are getting it slowly.

W1zzardHint: look at the portion of those numbers coming from live service games

checked: 73% if their income is live service slop....
I never liked the average "gamer" anyway

Free play this weekend!! 🫣🥳🤣

OnasiDirect Memory Access. It’s a broad term for a variety of hardware cheats. The most expensive private ones are, frankly, undetectable and what people use to basically shit on any kernel-based AC. Catching Russian kiddies using 5$ spinbots and wallhacks is worthless, what matters are the big ticket items and those still have very little answer AFAIK.

Thank you for explaining I just couldn't be assed hand holding today.

Sooo...I recently installed W11 from my brother and added some registry keys to bypass the TPM requirement since we figured fTPM was just an unnecessary complication.

I added the following registry keys to get around it:
LabConfig
BypassTPMCheck
BypassSecureBootCheck

I'm assuming I will have to go back and undo this somehow if he wants to play BF6? :banghead:

I wouldn't care about any of this if it actually worked, the problem is their anti cheat is actual dogshit.

Everybody complain about the anticheat and not about the price ?

70€ or 100€ without the future DLCs but the paid battlepass :)

I was hyped by the reddit posts about this game, I now don't care to see it fall like Battlefield 2042 due to a lack of players in a few months for real.

Tbh if they require SecureBoot and Hardware Enforced Stack Protection to be enabled, and find a way that can't be circumvented to check for these features, then there isn't much else that a cheat can do to take control of the environment. It would become incredibly hard.

KelutrelTbh if they require SecureBoot and Hardware Enforced Stack Protection to be enabled, and find a way that can't be circumvented to check for these features, then there isn't much else that a cheat can do to take control of the environment. It would become incredibly hard.

As someone else mentioned, cheats can be run on a secondary system

Cheating has ruined online gaming, currently all the "Undetectable" cheats load before the OS and enforcing secure boot will prevent all of them from running, everything else will be detectable. This is where the industry has been going as their is no other way to prevent cheating.

Ripcordcurrently all the "Undetectable" cheats load before the OS

What an insane amount of effort to go to, just to win at a video game. I had no idea about this and am legitimately impressed.

But that begs the question that has been asked repeatedly in this thread: why go to this level of effort if you can use server-side anti-cheat? Surely it doesn't matter how a client has been tampered with if all of the validation is done remotely?

Need secure boot but mean while we want to hack around with the kernal, Da fck

tpa-prWhat an insane amount of effort to go to, just to win at a video game. I had no idea about this and am legitimately impressed.

But that begs the question that has been asked repeatedly in this thread: why go to this level of effort if you can use server-side anti-cheat? Surely it doesn't matter how a client has been tampered with if all of the validation is done remotely?

Because it doesn't work.

RipcordBecause it doesn't work.

There absolutely are ways to implement cheat detection server side, there are also "soft" ways to deal with cheaters, like auto kicking people out if anomalous stats are detected. They could deal with this but they wont out of fear that some stupid ass streamer will complain about it or something and they get bad press, pandering to 0.01% of users so that the game is ruined for everyone else. Same reason why these games have horrible balance.

Pets4EverI'm assuming I will have to go back and undo this somehow if he wants to play BF6? :banghead:

Hey!

The TPM just needs to be activated and, if necessary, deleted.
Clear all the keys from the TPM

By the way, after today's last update, I still don't need a TPM.


Regards, Fred.

I can understand that they want to take action against hackers and online cheaters by making the secure boot feature mandatory again. And if it allows you to play BF with complete peace of mind, without cheaters in the game, I think that's pretty good.

However, the fact that they refuse to make their game compatible with Linux is a real problem for me, because I use Linux, and the more years go by, the less Windows inspires me...