That first sentence! Hahahaha... yeah never trusted that game with my 3090. Didnt trust it because it was made by Amazon even before it was announced to be such a killer. Something felt sketchy and I gave it wide birth.

I mean I call complete bullshit on the narrative that "it is no longer sustainable"

eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

They need to change it to "it no longer generate the profit levels we deem acceptable"

I can guarantee by this time next year we will have heard the sunsetting plans for the game if it not already been removed from life support.

Meanwhile Diablo 3 which came out in 2012 is in it's 36th season...

Yeah, there are MMO's from the 90's that are still pumping out expansions, with half that player base. Amazon just doesn't give a shite about you. It's also just seedy as hell continuing to sell a product that (we all know) they're about to pull the plug on.

Look at Guild Wars 2, that is free model with buy to play, Its doing great.. I call it BS, many players even know that is not true not sustainable. (Some devs also agree too)
I did enjoy new world, the look of the world combat style and trades. All felt good, till they decided to completely gut zone First Light.
As our guilds work so hard too build the area for everyone on our server.
That ended most of our guild play.

I tried to go back, but without the expansion I could not do much.

Sp33d Junki3Look at Guild Wars 2, that is free model with buy to play, Its doing great.. I call it BS, many players even know that is not true not sustainable. (Some devs also agree too)
I did enjoy new world, the look of the world combat style and trades. All felt good, till they decided to completely gut zone First Light.
As our guilds work so hard too build the area for everyone on our server.
That ended most of our guild play.

I tried to go back, but without the expansion I could not do much.

guild wars 2 just launched a new expansion yesterday too. i was considering giving it a go, but i just don't have time for an mmo sadly

I've noticed a pattern: any MMORPG that launches, all the streamers and long-time WoW players rush to play it and are the first to criticize it, trying to destroy the game right from the start. They're afraid that the WoW fanbase will leave the game and they'll lose all the years they've spent on it. New World was released and they were already criticized for having nothing. The game delivered a lot of content in 5 years, I think it could have continued at that pace, but for me what killed the game was charging for basic things like mounts. The big eyes of the fat guys in suits in the office killed the game.

Embarrassing from a billion dollar company. such a small project profit is irrelevant, just fund it,.

chrcolukEmbarrassing from a billion dollar company. such a small project profit is irrelevant, just fund it,.

peasant MBA's as always making bad decisions.

duckfaceI've noticed a pattern: any MMORPG that launches, all the streamers and long-time WoW players rush to play it and are the first to criticize it, trying to destroy the game right from the start. They're afraid that the WoW fanbase will leave the game and they'll lose all the years they've spent on it. New World was released and they were already criticized for having nothing. The game delivered a lot of content in 5 years, I think it could have continued at that pace, but for me what killed the game was charging for basic things like mounts. The big eyes of the fat guys in suits in the office killed the game.

Those WoW players are correct.

There will never be another MMORPG that matches what was built up in WoW.
Star Citizen is trying to match the success and we will see if it surpasses EVE in the space opera segment, but I have my doubts, especially because already it has tied everyone to it, the growth potential here is minimal, and you can't be invested in more than one of these games. On top of that, I think these concepts mostly tie older players that have once had their MMO experience the way it was meant to be played, and are nostalgic about it. Its a dying breed.

It makes complete sense not to invest in any other one in the same measure. Doing anything else is just hoping for a world that will never come back. There are simply too many games today and the companies behind them are far too easily moved to a new project because the bean counters aren't extracting enough money from the playerbase. You said it yourself: New World quickly turned into an MTX-vulture, or was in fact pay to win from the get go. (Mounts are crucial because they directly influence completion speed in the game, for example)

Trust issues also play a massive role here. In the hypothetical situation we would see a massive effort with a fair business model to create the greastest, definitive MMO of all time, that game would have to deliver in every possible way, and keep delivering, and suit a very broad audience, without being too samey as everything else, and it should be from a trusted company backed by a long term track record. That's the only situation that would inspire a new WoW-like movement, because honestly, this is what WoW has offered and still does, even despite its newer monetary systems. Right now, the only company in such a position is probably Microsoft... but would you trust them on this? I wouldn't.

Panther_SeraphinI mean I call complete bullshit on the narrative that "it is no longer sustainable"

eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

They need to change it to "it no longer generate the profit levels we deem acceptable"

I can guarantee by this time next year we will have heard the sunsetting plans for the game if it not already been removed from life support.

Of course this piece of shit isn't sustainable. This was clear from the get-go.

Amazon studios' first reality check and it won't be the last. I would never place my trust in an online service they provide honestly.
This is Jeff Bezos we're talking about, one of the biggest rats of the century, what did anyone expect?!

Vayra86Those WoW players are correct.

There will never be another MMORPG that matches what was built up in WoW.
Star Citizen is trying to match the success and we will see if it surpasses EVE in the space opera segment, but I have my doubts, especially because already it has tied everyone to it, the growth potential here is minimal, and you can't be invested in more than one of these games. On top of that, I think these concepts mostly tie older players that have once had their MMO experience the way it was meant to be played, and are nostalgic about it. Its a dying breed.

It makes complete sense not to invest in any other one in the same measure. Doing anything else is just hoping for a world that will never come back. There are simply too many games today and the companies behind them are far too easily moved to a new project because the bean counters aren't extracting enough money from the playerbase. You said it yourself: New World quickly turned into an MTX-vulture, or was in fact pay to win from the get go. (Mounts are crucial because they directly influence completion speed in the game, for example)

Trust issues also play a massive role here. In the hypothetical situation we would see a massive effort with a fair business model to create the greastest, definitive MMO of all time, that game would have to deliver in every possible way, and keep delivering, and suit a very broad audience, without being too samey as everything else, and it should be from a trusted company backed by a long term track record. That's the only situation that would inspire a new WoW-like movement, because honestly, this is what WoW has offered and still does, even despite its newer monetary systems. Right now, the only company in such a position is probably Microsoft... but would you trust them on this? I wouldn't.


Of course this piece of shit isn't sustainable. This was clear from the get-go.

Amazon studios' first reality check and it won't be the last. I would never place my trust in an online service they provide honestly.
This is Jeff Bezos we're talking about, one of the biggest rats of the century, what did anyone expect?!

WoW appeared at a time when we had nothing. In the beginning, it took advantage of the history of past games; the maps were deserts with three trees, and players had to fantasize with the CGI. Today, you could say it has a lot of content, but what I'm saying is that in the beginning, I saw many WoW players criticizing the lack of content in a beta game. That's when I saw their malice. But okay, just like all the other games that have been released and will be, they'll be there playing on day one and criticizing. I'll continue my search for a good MMORPG, but I'll never play WoW again! That game's time has passed.

With this announcement I'm left even more in the dark about Amazon's involvement with the next Tomb Raider game, which so far appears to be vapourware.
All we know so far is that Amazon will be publishing whatever Crystal Dynamics comes up with which up till now is zero.

duckfaceWoW appeared at a time when we had nothing. In the beginning, it took advantage of the history of past games; the maps were deserts with three trees, and players had to fantasize with the CGI. Today, you could say it has a lot of content, but what I'm saying is that in the beginning, I saw many WoW players criticizing the lack of content in a beta game. That's when I saw their malice. But okay, just like all the other games that have been released and will be, they'll be there playing on day one and criticizing. I'll continue my search for a good MMORPG, but I'll never play WoW again! That game's time has passed.

I think you hit nail on head when you identify that time has passed. The magic of WoW was a one time affair.