Sunday, May 31st 2026

AMD Unveils the EXPO-ULL (Ultra Low-Latency) Memory Profile Standard

AMD at Computex announced the new EXPO Ultra Low Latency memory OC profile standard (EXPO-ULL). This is an SPD profile extension, just like Intel XMP and the original EXPO, but is a standard that prescribes extremely tight memory timings for memory speeds typically marketed to AMD systems, such as DDR5-6000 and DDR5-6400. AMD Ryzen 7000 series and Ryzen 9000 series processors are limited in how fast their memory can be clocked when compared to Intel's DDR5 platforms, but there's room to significantly tighten memory timings.

Memory vendors were simply selling their mid-range DDR5-6000 and DDR5-6400 memory with timings typical of those speeds as AMD EXPO products. AMD's intervention sees memory vendors ship DDR5-6000 and DDR5-6400 kits with significantly tightened timings, so there is a tangible performance benefit being offered to PC enthusiasts versus opting for JEDEC DDR5-6000/6400 kits. Memory vendors onboard with the EXPO-ULL program include G.Skill, Kingston, Klevv, Lexar, Team Group, V-Color, and ADATA XPG. AMD provided first-party testing of how EXPO-ULL memory provides an up to 13% increase in FPS versus generic JEDEC memory kits, and average FPS gains of 4%. The company didn't specify a release date, but we could expect EXPO-ULL memory kit launches from the above vendors throughout 2026.
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#51
ir_cow
rv8000Nor you. How many times must it be explained that in neither review are you testing what happens with tREFI being changed, or for that matter testing tREFI.
I'm tired boss... Are you also a joke on OCN? I'm waiting for someone from OCN to come and take back their puppy lol
rv8000Not to mention I’ve actually provided proof, that is conveniently being ignored. Where is your stability test with tREFI at 65k?
I already gave two examples. One will error out without a fan just with EXPO. Proving that adding tREFi will not be stable either. The other is stable at XMP, but right on the line. Add some tREFi and that errors out.

I don't believe all memory kits need active cooling for ULL, but if you push the timing down, raise the voltage and or frequency the chances go up. Firstly isolating the memory by itself and those variables. Next the external variables like case airflow and video card heat output. So if you want to go around and tell everyone tREFi is not a problem on its own, that could be applicable to a large number of low voltage low frequency memory kits....but the real world isn't a setup with fix variables.

You need proof.... I know. You as asking for single variable isolation proof that it doesn't work. Besides the 8000 Neon kit (which you discounted), I would have to retest to disprove you even more. When I do the overclocking, tREFi is added first and I have a fan on the memory. I don't waste my time anymore seeing what memory can do passively cooled.... It's not much btw.

I could easily prove my point with a. Real world setup by taking 6000 CL26 memory, blow 450 watts of heat from a video card on it and crash the memory. All that would prove is your still wrong that memory doesn't need active cooling at all. It wouldn't disprove that tREFi on its own it's not a problem. However, they go hand in hand which is the main point I've been making all along.
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#52
rv8000
ir_cowI'm tired boss... Are you also a joke on OCN? I'm waiting for someone from OCN to come and take back their puppy lol


I already gave two examples. One will error out without a fan just with EXPO. Proving that adding tREFi will not be stable either. The other is stable at XMP, but right on the line. Add some tREFi and that errors out.

I don't believe all memory kits need active cooling for ULL, but if you push the timing down, raise the voltage and or frequency the chances go up. Firstly isolating the memory by itself and those variables. Next the external variables like case airflow and video card heat output. So if you want to go around and tell everyone tREFi is not a problem on its own, that could be applicable to a large number of low voltage low frequency memory kits....but the real world isn't a setup with fix variables.

You need proof.... I know. You as asking for single variable isolation proof that it doesn't work. Besides the 8000 Neon kit (which you discounted), I would have to retest to disprove you even more. When I do the overclocking, tREFi is added first and I have a fan on the memory. I don't waste my time anymore seeing what memory can do passively cooled.... It's not much btw.

I could easily prove my point with a. Real world setup by taking 6000 CL26 memory, blow 450 watts of heat from a video card on it and crash the memory. All that would prove is your still wrong that memory doesn't need active cooling at all. It wouldn't disprove that tREFi on its own it's not a problem. However, they go hand in hand which is the main point I've been making all along.
If you want to be disingenuous, yes, testing a 4x48GB on a test bench, with an AIO and absolutely no passive air movement is totally going to have heat issues. That’s not rocket science, you’ve now set test parameters that will almost NEVER be true in an end user setup. Should I take all the fans off my nhd15 and then claim my cpu isnt stable and the IHS isn’t up to snuff cuz I run 15m of p95? Obviously no.

You can’t disprove something further, that you have not tested. It’s a simple concept.

Here, I run the attached SS daily 450w from my 5080 blasting my kit at 1.53vdd with max tREFI at 8400 without any issues. A scenario which greatly exceeds any potential kit at 1.3,1.4, or 1.45v that would likely be released.

If your method for overclocking memory doesn’t consist of thoroughly isolating and checking individual timings and spending a lot of timing checking for stability and what variables are causing errors, you’re not much of a memory overclocker/tuner and that oc’ing memory just might not be for you - it’s okay. It’s a tedious process, I know.

Water cooling and active cooling definitely raise the ceiling on whats capable once going over 1.5vdd, but does not change the fact DDR5 is capable of running max tREFI in a normal case environment without added direct cooling.

So exhaustingly… get back to me with some tREFI testing, otherwise you have no proof.
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#53
ir_cow
@rv8000

I gave you many chances to change your statement that tREFi is never the problem. Here is that proof you so desperately needed. Only 3c difference and that is enough sometimes :)

Exhibit A - 6000 MT/s 1.35V CL30. EXPO - Auto - No Errors


Exhibit B - 6000 MT/s 1.35V CL30. EXPO - with 65K tREFi - Error



You can stop pissing on the floor now. I am going to return to actual review work. What a waste of my time....
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#54
Dr. Dro
WirkoRegarding the timings related to refresh, they would ideally be temperature-dependent, but they are always constant, is that correct?
No, it's not always constant because it's directly tied to the laws of physics. To understand tREFI, you must first understand how RAM works. RAM cells are essentially "capacitors" that hold a binary charge, while a RAM chip is essentially an array of said cells. Over time, the "capacitors" here naturally lose their charge. Heat has a direct impact on leakage, the hotter the memory is, the faster its cells will discharge, which leads to data corruption.

How to fix? Run a refresh in a fixed interval, which is essentially what the tREFI timing controls. So, why not run a refresh cycle often? Why intentionally increase the refresh window? The answer is pretty simple, the CPU cannot access the memory while it is executing a refresh cycle. This value represents the approximate amount of cycles that the memory will be available before a cycle is spent refreshing the contents of the array. Higher interval means the memory is available for longer (with noticeable implications on latency and bandwidth), but it also means that you are running the risk of losing data because the memory cells may discharge before they are refreshed. So it's an inverse correlation between temperature and performance, very low tREFI will allow memory to operate very hot, at the cost of being relatively slower as the CPU will wait on refresh cycles far more often.

32K is the sweet spot between performance and reliability in my opinion, you'll want to keep your RAM under 55°C. To run 65K, you'll want load temps below 50°C, at 131k you're already probably looking at around 40°C load temps. It's even possible to run a 262144-cycle interval, but you'll want your RAM on cold. Probably 30°C load temps, at most. No air cooled kit handles this.
rv8000If you want to be disingenuous, yes, testing a 4x48GB on a test bench, with an AIO and absolutely no passive air movement is totally going to have heat issues. That’s not rocket science, you’ve now set test parameters that will almost NEVER be true in an end user setup. Should I take all the fans off my nhd15 and then claim my cpu isnt stable and the IHS isn’t up to snuff cuz I run 15m of p95? Obviously no.

You can’t disprove something further, that you have not tested. It’s a simple concept.

Here, I run the attached SS daily 450w from my 5080 blasting my kit at 1.53vdd with max tREFI at 8400 without any issues. A scenario which greatly exceeds any potential kit at 1.3,1.4, or 1.45v that would likely be released.

If your method for overclocking memory doesn’t consist of thoroughly isolating and checking individual timings and spending a lot of timing checking for stability and what variables are causing errors, you’re not much of a memory overclocker/tuner and that oc’ing memory just might not be for you - it’s okay. It’s a tedious process, I know.

Water cooling and active cooling definitely raise the ceiling on whats capable once going over 1.5vdd, but does not change the fact DDR5 is capable of running max tREFI in a normal case environment without added direct cooling.

So exhaustingly… get back to me with some tREFI testing, otherwise you have no proof.
I'm not sure that whatever you are doing here is worth it, AMD CPUs just don't help with this. That's why EXPO-ULL makes sense. Your timings are very good, your kit must be a lot newer/better than my Trident Z5 6800 (which was the prime kit for 12th Gen builds), I've been optimizing my system's RAM while I have some downtime until the new cabling kit for my RTX 5090 gets here, to achieve 8000 stable, I had to reduce tREFI from 65535 to 32767. I had errors literally 10 hours into the run with 65K, no matter how carefully I optimized the timings or voltages. Mind you, I'm nowhere near 1.5 VDDQ here, that is just asking for a crash. 1.35 MC/IVR, 1.4350 DRAM/VDDQ on BIOS (sensors read 1.44-1.45V), 1.175 SA. That's what I have here, and this seems realistically my kit's limit.

And yes, that is 121K% Karhu stable, tested over nearly 26 hours. Been testing with random applications, ran some y-cruncher on this too to validate. It's what I'll use when I finish my rebuild.



This on a beat up Windows installation, btw:

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#55
rv8000
ir_cow@rv8000

I gave you many chances to change your statement that tREFi is never the problem. Here is that proof you so desperately needed. Only 3c difference and that is enough sometimes :)

Exhibit A - 6000 MT/s 1.35V CL30. EXPO - Auto - No Errors


Exhibit B - 6000 MT/s 1.35V CL30. EXPO - with 65K tREFi - Error



You can stop pissing on the floor now. I am going to return to actual review work. What a waste of my time....
Thanks for actually testing tREFI.

I’m more confused how you managed to get your dimms peak at 65c in 20 mins with a gskill kit at 1.35v, the highest I’ve ever seen is 53-55c after 12+ hour tests at 1.48-1.53v. For clarification are we testing on a testbed with 0 airflow again and an aio?
Dr. DroNo, it's not always constant because it's directly tied to the laws of physics. To understand tREFI, you must first understand how RAM works. RAM cells are essentially "capacitors" that hold a binary charge, while a RAM chip is essentially an array of said cells. Over time, the "capacitors" here naturally lose their charge. Heat has a direct impact on leakage, the hotter the memory is, the faster its cells will discharge, which leads to data corruption.

How to fix? Run a refresh in a fixed interval, which is essentially what the tREFI timing controls. So, why not run a refresh cycle often? Why intentionally increase the refresh window? The answer is pretty simple, the CPU cannot access the memory while it is executing a refresh cycle. This value represents the approximate amount of cycles that the memory will be available before a cycle is spent refreshing the contents of the array. Higher interval means the memory is available for longer (with noticeable implications on latency and bandwidth), but it also means that you are running the risk of losing data because the memory cells may discharge before they are refreshed. So it's an inverse correlation between temperature and performance, very low tREFI will allow memory to operate very hot, at the cost of being relatively slower as the CPU will wait on refresh cycles far more often.

32K is the sweet spot between performance and reliability in my opinion, you'll want to keep your RAM under 55°C. To run 65K, you'll want load temps below 50°C, at 131k you're already probably looking at around 40°C load temps. It's even possible to run a 262144-cycle interval, but you'll want your RAM on cold. Probably 30°C load temps, at most. No air cooled kit handles this.



I'm not sure that whatever you are doing here is worth it, AMD CPUs just don't help with this. That's why EXPO-ULL makes sense. Your timings are very good, your kit must be a lot newer/better than my Trident Z5 6800 (which was the prime kit for 12th Gen builds), I've been optimizing my system's RAM while I have some downtime until the new cabling kit for my RTX 5090 gets here, to achieve 8000 stable, I had to reduce tREFI from 65535 to 32767. I had errors literally 10 hours into the run with 65K, no matter how carefully I optimized the timings or voltages. Mind you, I'm nowhere near 1.5 VDDQ here, that is just asking for a crash. 1.35 MC/IVR, 1.4350 DRAM/VDDQ on BIOS (sensors read 1.44-1.45V), 1.175 SA. That's what I have here, and this seems realistically my kit's limit.

And yes, that is 121K% Karhu stable, tested over nearly 26 hours. Been testing with random applications, ran some y-cruncher on this too to validate. It's what I'll use when I finish my rebuild.



This on a beat up Windows installation, btw:

I’m well aware theres very little point to 8400 on single CCD chip as the performance gains or relative performance to say 6400-6600 are tiny if any, it’s simply an illustration of what settings were being questioned actually working in relativity extreme conditions. Additionally it’s what I run on a daily basis, error free with a 450w gpu dumping air directly into the kit.
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#56
ir_cow
rv8000Thanks for actually testing tREFI.

I’m more confused how you managed to get your dimms peak at 65c in 20 mins with a gskill kit at 1.35v, the highest I’ve ever seen is 53-55c after 12+ hour tests at 1.48-1.53v. For clarification are we testing on a testbed with 0 airflow again and an aio?
How "I" managed 65c on the SPD Hub is to have the memory be under a stress test. The equilibrium of that specific kit was around. 61-62c. It went up a degree and down and I only stopped it because I didn't see a reason to keep going after 4000% . From my observation the addition of higher tREFi broke that balance and it became a runaway scenario. Where it would balance out is unknown since it errored. Also you need to know that the provided temp is not the ICs but the SPD Hub which is essentially the PCB. ICs temperature will vary from 1c to 10c. It really comes down to the heatspeaders.

Yes this setup was passive airflow of the room. No fan on the memory. This test was to counter your statement that maxing out memory tREFi will never be a issue. This is simply factually incorrect.

Moreover since you moved the goal post multiple times and I still managed to fulfill the requirements of 1:1 ratio, proof that stable before and proof it was not stable with max tREFi. Even a added bonus of using 1.35v memory.

We probably could forgone this debate if I explained what tREFi was and how it works in the first place. I made a assumption that someone memory overclocking since 2012 would know that already. That is my fault, I will do better to counter your statements in the future with detailed explanation of how things work before just linking examples. It makes more sense looking back why you were dead set on this statement.
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#57
rv8000
ir_cowHow "I" managed 65c on the SPD Hub is to have the memory be under a stress test. The equilibrium of that specific kit was around. 61-62c. It went up a degree and down and I only stopped it because I didn't see a reason to keep going after 4000% . From my observation the addition of higher tREFi broke that balance and it became a runaway scenario. Where it would balance out is unknown since it errored. Also you need to know that the provided temp is not the ICs but the SPD Hub which is essentially the PCB. ICs temperature will vary from 1c to 10c. It really comes down to the heatspeaders.

Yes this setup was passive airflow of the room. No fan on the memory. This test was to counter your statement that maxing out memory tREFi will never be a issue. This is simply factually incorrect.

Moreover since you moved the goal post multiple times and I still managed to fulfill the requirements of 1:1 ratio, proof that stable before and proof it was not stable with max tREFi. Even a added bonus of using 1.35v memory.

We probably could forgone this debate if I explained what tREFi was and how it works in the first place. I made a assumption that someone memory overclocking since 2012 would know that already. That is my fault, I will do better to counter your statements in the future with detailed explanation of how things work before just linking examples. It makes more sense looking back why you were dead set on this statement.
I didn’t move the goal post. You didnt provide any testing of tREFI until the previous post. You quipped in your original post that they should include active ram cooling kits. I asserted this isn’t necessary at and below 1.5v and showed you two kits tested at 65k tREFI inside a normal PC case with no active memory cooling (simply passive case airflow).

Anyone with a brain knows a kit at 65c is going to error out, those temps are not normal and will guarantee failure without changing anything. You’re on a test bench, if you really want to continue to be disingenuous here, that’s fine with me.
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#58
ir_cow
rv8000Anyone with a brain knows a kit at 65c is going to error out, those temps are not normal and will guarantee failure without changing anything.
65c can be perfectly normal and JEDEC runs up to 85c. Not everyone has great case airflow. I also proved that it didn't error out until I adjusted the tREFi.

It's like your agreeing with me this entire time but don't want to change your original stance.
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#59
rv8000
ir_cow65c can be perfectly normal and JEDEC runs up to 85c. Not everyone has great case airflow. I also proved that it didn't error out until I adjusted the tREFi.

It's like your agreeing with me this entire time but don't want to change your original stance.
I never said excessively hot memory is not going to be riddled with errors. I said Its not necessary to have active memory cooling to run tREFI at 65k, which I’ve also demonstrated to be true. Nor did I say they’ll release these new kits/profiles with tREFI maxed.

Additionally you’re now claiming zero airflow on a test bench is the same as being in a case with airflow even if poor, which also is not true. I’m offering up a worst case scenario at 1.53vdd with tight timings, literally the edge of what’s possible and im leveling out at 48-49c after ~12hrs of testing with no issues.

Adjusting tRFC and tREFI are some of the easiest adjustments to improve performance, and I don’t doubt those will be the first timings they’ll adjust in these new profiles. I also don’t think the majority of vendors will be providing active memory cooling kits as they’re like incompatible with the majority of peoples setups, nor necessary in many cases as the majority of these kits are unlikely to exceed 1.4v on AM5. This would also be adding extra cost on already prohibitively expensive kits as is.
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#60
Dr. Dro
Yes, but this very much depends on the other characteristics of the memory, 65K tREFI per se is not going to be a limiting factor, but it is an aggravating one. The tighter the other timings, and the higher the frequency and voltage, the more difficult it is to stabilize 65K tREFI because the memory will generate more heat as it's accessed more and more often.

On a closed case in ambient conditions, it's an express ticket to instability. Hot days may actually make the computer a complete mess. But if you're living in the north of Canada during winter, you'll be fine lol

It is not unreasonable to say that 65K tREFI at flagship specs (8000-8400 is the uppermost range for UDIMMs) will require active cooling in most cases, and even then it might not be reliable enough. 32767 is a much safer, and just as performant bet.
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#61
ir_cow
rv8000I never said excessively hot memory is not going to be riddled with errors.
What is considered excessive heat? If it's below JEDEC operational temperature of 85c, nothing is excessive below that.
rv8000I said Its not necessary to have active memory cooling to run tREFI at 65k, which I’ve also demonstrated to be true. Nor did I say they’ll release these new kits/profiles with tREFI maxed.
I demonstrated that is also may need active cooling and you implied max tREFi because that's what your trying to die on a hill for. Multiple times in fact....
rv8000Additionally you’re now claiming zero airflow on a test bench is the same as being in a case with airflow even if poor, which also is not true. I’m offering up a worst case scenario at 1.53vdd with tight timings, literally the edge of what’s possible and im leveling out at 48-49c after ~12hrs of testing with no issues.
Nope not claiming they are the same. Just provided a proof test you wanted because you continued to change the requirements. Stable and unstable by only changing the tREFi.

If you really want to get a 1-up on me, you should have required showing JEDEC 1.1v. that is unlikely to error out even without heatspeaders.

Have you considered your case is the active airflow factor I've been talking about? Because it very well can be. In your setup, the airflow is high enough that neither the GPU dumping heat into the memory or memory its own is enough to error out your memory at 1.55vdd. congratulations you have airflow going across the memory and enough to keep the temps low enough it doesn't crash.
rv8000Adjusting tRFC and tREFI are some of the easiest adjustments to improve performance, and I don’t doubt those will be the first timings they’ll adjust in these new profiles.
It will be just like the current expo, vendors can either include the extra 7 timings or leave it blank which means the MB does it own thing like XMP for those values. What I am not sure about is if you have one value at zero. Because the entire block is activated from a string. Something I should do and flash memory to find out.

tREFi It's more likely it will be in 16k range as a safety net. A few brands will do 32k with a fan included or a second (OC profile) like Corsair has done with the Dominators.
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#62
Rulumi
Considering current AMD I/O die and Infinity Fabric speed and bandwith limitations in desktop Zen 4 and Zen 5, I don't think current ones can stress the RAM bandwith as much as current Intel CPUs are able to, so that probably can also be a factor in higher tREFI temperatures being a bit "easier" to manage in current AMD desktop CPUs.
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#63
JustBenching
rv8000And to reiterate, 65k is fine with passive cooling.
Entirely depends on the kit. Dual rank 96gb - 65k is a nogo on ambient. Especially on Intel since they actually max out the dims. Its easier on amd - especially single CCD, since your kits are being actively bottlenecked to hell by the io die. Now if you reduce TRFC on top of TREFI temps will skyrocket naturally, since you don't allow the dims to timeout.
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#64
rv8000
ir_cowWhat is considered excessive heat? If it's below JEDEC operational temperature of 85c, nothing is excessive below that.


I demonstrated that is also may need active cooling and you implied max tREFi because that's what your trying to die on a hill for. Multiple times in fact....


Nope not claiming they are the same. Just provided a proof test you wanted because you continued to change the requirements. Stable and unstable by only changing the tREFi.

If you really want to get a 1-up on me, you should have required showing JEDEC 1.1v. that is unlikely to error out even without heatspeaders.

Have you considered your case is the active airflow factor I've been talking about? Because it very well can be. In your setup, the airflow is high enough that neither the GPU dumping heat into the memory or memory its own is enough to error out your memory at 1.55vdd. congratulations you have airflow going across the memory and enough to keep the temps low enough it doesn't crash.



It will be just like the current expo, vendors can either include the extra 7 timings or leave it blank which means the MB does it own thing like XMP for those values. What I am not sure about is if you have one value at zero. Because the entire block is activated from a string. Something I should do and flash memory to find out.

tREFi It's more likely it will be in 16k range as a safety net. A few brands will do 32k with a fan included or a second (OC profile) like Corsair has done with the Dominators.
Again, your original comment/joke was they’ll need to start including memory fan kits with every kit running these profiles, to which I said it’s not necessary. You made it quite clear that was the example of active cooling you were taking about. I also explicitly said direct and active cooling to the memory (not being mandatory) in several posts for the sake of clarity and a normal case scenario (enclosed typical pc case with airflow). I never changed any requirements.

Commenting on the nonstandard results of a test bench creating excessive temps is an observation, not changing any requirements. How many people will run a memory kit like this on AM5? Little to none. Now to say what a median temp is in a typical pc running at expo at 1.35-1.45v, it’s hard to say without survey data but I’d expect it falls much closer 40-45c than 65c+ (software readouts). At this lower temperature range there would certainly be room to adjust tREFI without requiring active and direct memory cooling.

What I will comment on about my setup is that I think it’s a more realistic representation of what temperatures and air flow would be like for the majority of end users/consumers even though I’m using very high vdd for not having any active memory cooling. And in showing that I’m providing evidence memory fan kits likely aren’t a requirement to target refresh window timings in these new profiles

I’m unsure why jedec standards are being referenced at all, or intel for that matter as neither are the target for the new ULL profiles and conflating data between the two platforms (AMD and Intel) is useless as different limitations exist.
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#65
Nhonho
AMD needs to place the memory controller (IMC) on the same die as the x86 cores to achieve the lowest possible latency between the x86 cores and the RAM. Currently, with the IMC on a separate die, RAM access latency increases significantly.

They should do something like this:
ir_cowI thought that was just EXPO 1.2 spec. If they really are planning on adding tREFi to its own profile, better start including a fan with every kit :)
I think that these EXPO-ULL memories will be made with a new, more advanced lithography that generates less heat and achieves lower latencies, or they will be RAM chips with the same current lithography, but selected during the testing phase, those that achieve higher clock speeds and lower latencies without needing high voltage.
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#66
Dr. Dro
NhonhoAMD needs to place the memory controller (IMC) on the same die as the x86 cores to achieve the lowest possible latency between the x86 cores and the RAM. Currently, with the IMC on a separate die, RAM access latency increases significantly.

They should do something like this:





I think that these EXPO-ULL memories will be made with a new, more advanced lithography that generates less heat and achieves lower latencies, or they will be RAM chips with the same current lithography, but selected during the testing phase, those that achieve higher clock speeds and lower latencies without needing high voltage.
The former invalidates the entire point of chiplet design, the latter is mere wishful thinking as there is no newer node. It's just down to binning.

So while you're not wrong it's not really realistic
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#67
Nhonho
Dr. DroThe former invalidates the entire point of chiplet design, the latter is mere wishful thinking as there is no newer node. It's just down to binning.

So while you're not wrong it's not really realistic
There's nothing wrong with the sketch I posted. I assume that, at least, 90% of the CPUs AMD sells to the home market have up to 8 cores.

AMD could perfectly well use the "main die" from the image above (the die with the x86 cores) in about 90% of its CPUs sold to the home market and would use the same chiplets it uses in server CPUs in home CPUs with more than 8 cores.
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#68
Dr. Dro
NhonhoThere's nothing wrong with the sketch I posted. I assume that, at least, 90% of the CPUs AMD sells to the home market have up to 8 cores.

AMD could perfectly well use the "main die" from the image above (the die with the x86 cores) in about 90% of its CPUs sold to the home market and would use the same chiplets it uses in server CPUs in home CPUs with more than 8 cores.
Indeed. What you may not know is that what you're proposing is to manufacture a chip like Arrandale, the first generation mobile Core i3 from 17 years ago. And AMD tried core only chiplets with the Threadripper WX back in Zen+ days. We all know how that went.

It seems logical but it's extremely inefficient from an architectural perspective.
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#69
Rulumi
NhonhoThere's nothing wrong with the sketch I posted. I assume that, at least, 90% of the CPUs AMD sells to the home market have up to 8 cores.

AMD could perfectly well use the "main die" from the image above (the die with the x86 cores) in about 90% of its CPUs sold to the home market and would use the same chiplets it uses in server CPUs in home CPUs with more than 8 cores.
Main current point of current AMD chiplets is being able to take expandability, resources and costs in account by bein able to use compute chiplets to make a bigger chip and at the same time they can use the same compute die chiplets across server, workstation and desktop segments with slection and binning, so if a core isn't good enough for something or demands go down it can be reused in something else. Also the reason why things like Ryzen 5 don't tend to be as good to go fully on if one wants overclocks and so, because they are usually the lowest binning that the dies go down when not qualifying to be other chips nowdays.

Such design will mean that AMD would have to make different dies for all productions in both server/workstation and desktop (most mobile is already its own thing being monolithic with few exceptions), which defeats one of the main points why they went with chiplets across their whole segment except mobile (and in mobile it's also because the chiplet idle power consumption is too much for most mobile uses).
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#70
jesdals
AMD at Computex announced the new EXPO Ultra Low Latency memory OC profile standard (EXPO-ULL).
Can these settings be set manually on existing memory modules - have G.Skill FlareX 6000 M-die and wonder if they could be tweaked?
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#71
thestryker6
ir_cowI thought that was just EXPO 1.2 spec. If they really are planning on adding tREFi to its own profile, better start including a fan with every kit :)
So Hardware Unboxed when visiting the G.Skill booth got some specifics which confirms things.

They're reporting that tREFI, tRRDS and tRW are the new timings they're allowing module makers to modify.

They're also allowing VDDP voltage modification, but I'm not sure about specifics because Steve said "lock".

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Where in bios are those settings?

I have a CL26 6000 Kit
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