if this is true please go back to single player campaign... not the youngblood co-op...

Sounds great :-)

Hyderzif this is true please go back to single player campaign... not the youngblood co-op...

Why not both?

I should dive back into wolfenstein series. My first pc game away from home while i was at boarding school was wolfenstein 3d. I was 12 at the time, wasnt very good at it. It was 1 of 3 games they had available.

Hyderzif this is true please go back to single player campaign... not the youngblood co-op...

Also, please go back to Doom being a shooter, not an arena-based platform jumper.

ZoneDymoWhy not both?

Because when I order a steak at a restaurant, I don't want a dog turd on the plate with it - even if it's free.

AusWolfAlso, please go back to Doom being a shooter, not an arena-based platform jumper.

This one 100%, God I hate Doom Eternal specifically because of this and I didn't bother with anything newer.

ApocalypseeThis one 100%, God I hate Doom Eternal specifically because of this and I didn't bother with anything newer.

It's one of my major gripes. The other one is the bright, cartoonish colour scheme which makes me unable to take the game seriously. It's a shame because Doom '16 is a masterpiece.

AusWolfIt's one of my major gripes. The other one is the bright, cartoonish colour scheme which makes me unable to take the game seriously. It's a shame because Doom '16 is a masterpiece.

The imps and he’ll knights might as well be Care Bears and unicorns

HyderzThe imps and he’ll knights might as well be Care Bears and unicorns

Pretty much. Not to mention blood being closer to pink than red is just laughable.

So encouraging to see Microsoft is turning over a new leaf at ID, going all in on making original, interesting new content for us.

AusWolfIt's one of my major gripes. The other one is the bright, cartoonish colour scheme which makes me unable to take the game seriously. It's a shame because Doom '16 is a masterpiece.

Highly agree. 2016 got everything right, stripping the story to essentials and having a blend of satire with a darker touch. Eternal might have been tuned the mechanics but the presentation and absurd story put me off. Same with TDA.

ApocalypseeThis one 100%, God I hate Doom Eternal specifically because of this and I didn't bother with anything newer.

It boggles my mind that the people who made 2016 could have made Eternal. Even the font is a laughing stock.

No gameplay, no screenshots, but the "leaked" photos of a script. This is a new low from the video game industry.

I really liked the first one. I remember when I played it I had feeling of like, FINALLY A GOOD FPS!!!! It came during what felt like quite a drought of pc games.. anybody remember that?

Then I played the sequel for like 5 minutes and was like nah. But I can't really remember why... Did that game have dlss? I think I might remember seeing it there and being like what the frick is this? I think I remember it being quite demanding for the visual quality, but I dunno, that was a while ago, back on my 3570k and 1070. I may have not realized dlss was there to HELP performance.... if it indeed was there. I didn't follow tech news much then and had other hobbies.

Er who the fck is going to create these games, Micro$lop sacked most IDtech. I genuinely don't know if I will purchase either of these games, Bethesda are notorious for releasing bug-infested games, so if half of the original team isn't making these games I can only imagine the qaulity is going to be far worse...

- www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/laid-off-id-software-artist-says-microsoft-is-nuking-the-team-into-the-dirt-and-is-now-the-size-of-a-support-studio/

b1k3rdudeEr who the fck is going to create these games, Micro$lop sacked most IDtech. I genuinely don't know if I will purchase either of these games, Bethesda are notorious for release bug-infested games, so if half of the original team isnt making these game I can only imagine the qaulity is going to be far worse.

- www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/laid-off-id-software-artist-says-microsoft-is-nuking-the-team-into-the-dirt-and-is-now-the-size-of-a-support-studio/

They probably think one person there can do 10 people’s job and they will say use ai to speed things up

b1k3rdudeEr who the fck is going to create these games, Micro$lop sacked most IDtech - www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/laid-off-id-software-artist-says-microsoft-is-nuking-the-team-into-the-dirt-and-is-now-the-size-of-a-support-studio/

Yeah I was wondering that too... maybe this is microsoft's response... A way of saying ID isn't dead, and perhaps the side of the story we got is not completely accurate, or maybe exaggerated.

Either that or its just outsourcing the work. Or maybe they are just abandoning their engine to work in UE5..... Maybe both?

I'm optimistic about the output from MachineGames. They have been spectacularly competent with Wolfenstein, Indy, and show that they really understand how to make fun single-player gunplay with their Quake II mission pack.

I'm less optimistic about what's left of id Software. Dark Ages was super disappointing I found the gameplay loop both trivial and dull. The pace was off, the combat balance was off, the story was off, the setting and world-building was off. I think it got better later into the campaign but the first 3 hours of the game were all I could tolerate with the dramatic change to melee and infinite trash spawns until you killed off the alpha targets. Doom has always been about hyper-fast, movement-heavy gunplay. Whatever Dark Ages is, it doesn't deserve to be classified as a Doom game IMO.

The music on it is probably going to suck since they did Mick Gordon so dirty.

Chrispy_I'm optimistic about the output from MachineGames. They have been spectacularly competent with Wolfenstein, Indy, and show that they really understand how to make fun single-player gunplay with their Quake II mission pack.

I'm less optimistic about what's left of id Software. Dark Ages was super disappointing I found the gameplay loop both trivial and dull. The pace was off, the combat balance was off, the story was off, the setting and world-building was off. I think it got better later into the campaign but the first 3 hours of the game were all I could tolerate with the dramatic change to melee and infinite trash spawns until you killed off the alpha targets. Doom has always been about hyper-fast, movement-heavy gunplay. Whatever Dark Ages is, it doesn't deserve to be classified as a Doom game IMO.

I didn't even bother playing. I honestly felt like the first two reboots were enough, I liked them, especially the first, I loved how realistic hell looked, so much so my gf at the time told me to turn it off because she thought it would be too scary for her daughter.

Its not like ID is hurting for IP.... I guess with wolfenstein taken now, that still leaves quake.... Haven't had a proper single player quake in a quite a while. I know the games industry isn't really in a risk taking mood, but how about something new that isn't all the same stuff we had 30 years ago with a new coat of paint.

Ocarina of time
Final Fantasy 7
Doom
Wolfenstein

Like geeze I'm not saying you need to invent a totally new genre or anything. Just how about some new characters, new settings, perhaps a new kinda graphics style or something?

Yeah, I know... Its not gonna happen. But what happened to that ID optimization? Doom 2016 was incredible in so far as it would run on anything. I guess we're probably not going to see that now after all the cuts. But yeah, I think another doom game was a mistake, probably all the rt & sys requirements too. And I haven't even gotten into gameplay.

iameatingjamLike geeze I'm not saying you need to invent a totally new genre or anything.

I am saying that. I am literally sick of all the same shit again and again.

Chrispy_Whatever Dark Ages is, it doesn't deserve to be classified as a Doom game IMO.

I only played a bit of the opening; it just didn't feel like an FPS because of the melee mechanics.

iameatingjamHaven't had a proper single player quake in a quite a while. I know the games industry isn't really in a risk taking mood, but how about something new that isn't all the same stuff we had 30 years ago with a new coat of paint.

As I see it: Story-Driven Single-Player games became the bastard children of the industry. They eat up a lot of time and resources and generate a single purchase if done right... It's bad ROI...

AusWolfAlso, please go back to Doom being a shooter, not an arena-based platform jumper.

When I called out the new Doom games being like this so many people cried and told me I was stupid and the new Doom (2016) is the best Doom game ever! EVER! To each their own, but I thought I was playing Painkiller and not Doom.

AusWolfI am saying that. I am literally sick of all the same shit again and again.

Yeah... fair enough. New IP seems more within the realm of possibility with MS tho.

Kohl BaasAs I see it: Story-Driven Single-Player games became the bastard children of the industry. They eat up a lot of time and resources and generate a single purchase if done right... It's bad ROI...

True sometimes, though japanese companies seem to have learned the lesson of not firing all your instutional knowledge every quarter. And learned it while it was a cheaper lesson to learn. And as much as I hate Nintendo ( and I really do ) gotta admit, people like their games, and they're quite polished. Most aren't for me, cept for fire emblem, xenoblade (is that a subsidiary? I think it is....) Capcom also seems to realize they can make money without making all the money.

Also... there's a pretty big graveyard of live services.... at least some are turning into one time purchases, I like that trend.