Tuesday, March 30th 2010

XFX Abandons GeForce GTX 400 Series

XFX is getting cozier with AMD by the day, which is an eyesore for NVIDIA. Amidst the launch of GeForce GTX 400 series, XFX did what could have been unimaginable a few months ago: abandon NVIDIA's high-end GPU launch. That's right, XFX has decided against making and selling GeForce GTX 480 and GeForce GTX 470 graphics cards, saying that it favours high-end GPUs from AMD, instead. This comes even as XFX seemed to have been ready with its own product art. Apart from making new non-reference design SKUs for pretty-much every Radeon HD 5000 series GPU, the company is working on even more premium graphics cards targeted at NVIDIA's high-end GPUs.

The rift between XFX and NVIDIA became quite apparent when XFX outright bashed NVIDIA's high-end lineup in a recent press communication about a new high-end Radeon-based graphics card it's designing. "XFX have always developed the most powerful, versatile Gaming weapons in the world - and have just stepped up to the gaming plate and launched something spectacular that may well literally blow the current NVIDIA offerings clean away," adding "GTX480 and GTX470 are upon us, but perhaps the time has come to Ferm up who really has the big Guns." The move may come to the disappointment of some potential buyers of GTX 400 series, as XFX's popular Double Lifetime Warranty scheme would be missed. XFX however, maintains that it may choose to work on lower-end Fermi-derivatives.

Source: HardwareCanucks
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199 Comments on XFX Abandons GeForce GTX 400 Series

#1
newtekie1
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cdawall said:
And there are plenty of pretty obvious design issues with fermi that will probably get worked out with a new card but that's against the point this is what we have now and it looks shitty in performance per watt and heat output both of which hugely effect overall rig performance and extra 300~400watts of heat has to go somewhere in the case and heat rises that just so happens to be cpu land in most cases. Can your cpu cooler handle loosing a good chunk of its cooling capacity due to hot air vs cool air?
Where are you getting that all the heat is dumped in the case? We had this discussion in another thread, I don't have to worry about the heat from my HD4870x2 raising case temps all that much, so I'm not worried about this card either. Case temps are specifically why I only buy graphics cards that vent the hot air out the back of the case. That 300-400w of heat does go somewhere, out the back of the case...
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Velvet Wafer
eidairaman1 said:
and at that time ATI was going thru a Merger with AMD, what is Nvidia going through is what I'd like to know
IDK really... maybe severe money addiction?:laugh:

rename/republish the same product 3 times, and then wont even get punished for it? Priceless. ;-)
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#3
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
newtekie1 said:
Where are you getting that all the heat is dumped in the case? We had this discussion in another thread, I don't have to worry about the heat from my HD4870x2 raising case temps all that much, so I'm not worried about this card either. Case temps are specifically why I only buy graphics cards that vent the hot air out the back of the case. That 300-400w of heat does go somewhere, out the back of the case...
I'll be first to say case temps went up with that x2 3-4c idle temps on the cpu load on gpu and 4-6c with both on load. It don't all go out the back a lot stays. That was using both stock coolers with my v10 the difference was a bit less 1-2c load and idle
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#4
newtekie1
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cdawall said:
I'll be first to say case temps went up with that x2 3-4c idle temps on the cpu load on gpu and 4-6c with both on load. It don't all go out the back a lot stays. That was using both stock coolers with my v10 the difference was a bit less 1-2c load and idle
Indeed, some of it stays in the case, but not the huge amount you tried to make it seem like. 1-2c load is hardly worth making a big deal about.
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#5
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
newtekie1 said:
Indeed, some of it stays in the case, but not the huge amount you tried to make it seem like. 1-2c load is hardly worth making a big deal about.
Your right 1-2c is not but the 4-6c I got on the stock cooler at stock clocks using a 550be@quad was a bit warm for me load was around 55c with the 4870x2 vs a 8800gts 512 or 4650 gddr3 lp
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#6
imperialreign
newtekie1 said:
I'll explain it again, Fermi is the first single GPU that we have seen released that actually tops the previous generation's dual GPUs.
Well, technically - considering we're already 6 months past the release of the HD5000 series, those are already *technically* the previous generation. HD6000 has already been floating around in the rumor mill, and based on ATI's recent release schedule, we'll probably see this series before the end of the year (or even before Q4).

Thing is, I don't see where Fermi's performance is really that respectable for a card that's 6 months late to the game and has been over-hyped. I half expected Fermi to be more on par with Hemlock . . . or, at least, that's what nVidia were wanting everyone to believe. As it stands, especially in the larger display res arena, the card is really not too much better than Cypress - even more-so if we factor in the price these cards are going to enter at; I'm 100% certain that either right before, or right after, the 480's release, ATI will drop their prices by nearly 25% (also one of their current tactics).
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Wile E
Power User
cdawall said:
Only complaint I have is the 480 doesn't put out less heat or use less juice from what I have seen its smoking psu's we never saw that with 4870x2...the 5870 is also 6 months old and beat the 4870x2 in almost everything so how is it not in the same boat as fermi?
No, 5870 did not beat 4870x2. Look at the reviews again. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/32.html 4870X2 is still slightly ahead in most things.

Why do you think I haven't bought a 5870 yet? I would only gain lower power usage (low on my considerations list), and DX11 (higher on my considerations list, but not high enough to essentially cross-grade performance wise).

And I take w1z's word on it over consumption, vs some random guys on forums making claims that ZOMG, FERMI KILLED MY PSU!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I think the 5k series is absolutely amazing, it just doesn't fit my need for more performance in my price range. I would love to grab 5970 tho, but it is simply out of my price range. I think I'm gonna have to sit this one out until the next gen.
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newtekie1
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Wile E said:
No, 5870 did not beat 4870x2. Look at the reviews again. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/32.html 4870X2 is still slightly ahead in most things.

Why do you think I haven't bought a 5870 yet? I would only gain lower power usage (low on my considerations list), and DX11 (higher on my considerations list, but not high enough to essentially cross-grade performance wise).

And I take w1z's word on it over consumption, vs some random guys on forums making claims that ZOMG, FERMI KILLED MY PSU!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I think the 5k series is absolutely amazing, it just doesn't fit my need for more performance in my price range. I would love to grab 5970 tho, but it is simply out of my price range. I think I'm gonna have to sit this one out until the next gen.
Careful, talk like and disagreeing with cdawall like likely lead to him labelling you an nVidia fanboy, and mdm-adph saying you are on nVidia's payroll...:laugh:

Just like G80/R600, I too will be sitting this round out, there it isn't enough of a gain to drop what I have now and spend serveral hundred dollars for next to no noticeable performance improvement.
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#9
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Meh people call me a fanboy all the time. My wife especially.
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#10
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Wile E said:
No, 5870 did not beat 4870x2. Look at the reviews again. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/32.html 4870X2 is still slightly ahead in most things.

Why do you think I haven't bought a 5870 yet? I would only gain lower power usage (low on my considerations list), and DX11 (higher on my considerations list, but not high enough to essentially cross-grade performance wise).

And I take w1z's word on it over consumption, vs some random guys on forums making claims that ZOMG, FERMI KILLED MY PSU!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I think the 5k series is absolutely amazing, it just doesn't fit my need for more performance in my price range. I would love to grab 5970 tho, but it is simply out of my price range. I think I'm gonna have to sit this one out until the next gen.
The 5870 clocks better which should put it slightly ahead but yes your right its a low power crossgrade I to havea 4870x2 and sit this one out....



And newteckie your known to be pretty nv flavored in your opinions just like I'm amd opinioned in mine
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#11
mastrdrver
I went from a 4870x2 to a 5870......greatest upgrade ever. Though, I spend a lot of time playing games, don't know about you guys.

Reason I consider it an upgrade (just a few): runs cooler, fan only needs to run 35% max during games compared to ~60% to keep temperatures down, no crossfire profiles to be concerned about, better options for aftermarket cooler if I ever decide to

Thanks to the 5870, my setup is pretty much silent even when playing games. Not really thought about much until you're playing BC2 and trying to hear the guy around you that just shot at you.
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#12
Wile E
Power User
mastrdrver said:
I went from a 4870x2 to a 5870......greatest upgrade ever. Though, I spend a lot of time playing games, don't know about you guys.

Reason I consider it an upgrade (just a few): runs cooler, fan only needs to run 35% max during games compared to ~60% to keep temperatures down, no crossfire profiles to be concerned about, better options for aftermarket cooler if I ever decide to

Thanks to the 5870, my setup is pretty much silent even when playing games. Not really thought about much until you're playing BC2 and trying to hear the guy around you that just shot at you.
My 4870x2 is watercooled. Even more silent than the 5870. And none of my titles so far suffer from crossfire bugs. 5870 just is not a worthy upgrade for someone like me.

Biggest thing on the list of considerations for me is performance. I will not upgrade unless my upgrade gives me more performance. 5870 does not accomplish that. Fermi does, but has too many negatives to worry about right now. Thus the reason many of us like minded people have decided to sit this one out. The only exception would be stumbling across a really killer deal.
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#13
Unregistered
I'm thinking also that the Nvidia cards are a BIG NO-NO for multi-display gaming. I mean, you cannot run more than 2 anyways, and that with maximum power consumption and heat output, and you need a SLI for 3 monitors, with the same power/heating problems.

On the other hand ATI have even from a cheap 5770 to 5970 with EyeF6 support, that support 6 monitors and default freqs/temp on desktop use. (Launched yesterday...)
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imperialreign
Wile E said:
My 4870x2 is watercooled. Even more silent than the 5870. And none of my titles so far suffer from crossfire bugs. 5870 just is not a worthy upgrade for someone like me.

Biggest thing on the list of considerations for me is performance. I will not upgrade unless my upgrade gives me more performance. 5870 does not accomplish that. Fermi does, but has too many negatives to worry about right now. Thus the reason many of us like minded people have decided to sit this one out. The only exception would be stumbling across a really killer deal.
Semi-agreed . . . although, I wouldn't be interested in Fermi even if it were the re-incarnation of the VooDoo3 - I'm too ATI loyal, been burned by the green camp a couple too many times in the past, I'll not spend my money with them . . .

. . . although, I'm not opposed to recieving free green-camp hardware, I just won't spend my money on it :p



Regarding the 4870x2, 100% agreed. Even though I could get by with one, I'm a stickler for consistent smooth frame rates, hence my doubling up. My next upgrade will be to a form of hardware that 100% outperforms just one of my current cards . . . and 5970 is the only one capable of that ATM . . .

. . . and supply is still non-existent. :ohwell:
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#15
mdm-adph
newtekie1 said:
Careful, talk like and disagreeing with cdawall like likely lead to him labelling you an nVidia fanboy, and mdm-adph saying you are on nVidia's payroll...:laugh:
Keep that up, and I'll get MIT to run all your comments over the past few years through some sort of sophisticated algorithm and prove you're on their payroll. :laugh:
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#16
20mmrain
Wile E said:
No, 5870 did not beat 4870x2. Look at the reviews again. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/32.html 4870X2 is still slightly ahead in most things.

Why do you think I haven't bought a 5870 yet? I would only gain lower power usage (low on my considerations list), and DX11 (higher on my considerations list, but not high enough to essentially cross-grade performance wise).

And I take w1z's word on it over consumption, vs some random guys on forums making claims that ZOMG, FERMI KILLED MY PSU!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I think the 5k series is absolutely amazing, it just doesn't fit my need for more performance in my price range. I would love to grab 5970 tho, but it is simply out of my price range. I think I'm gonna have to sit this one out until the next gen.
One of my rigs actually upgraded form a 4870x2 to a 5870. Besides the cooler temps, DX11, and much more overclockable.
I got rid of any Crossfire micro stutter created from the 4870x2 being a Crossfire setup in one card.

Plus with that said in real world performance..... they are a lot closer than you think. As far as loss of FPS. In the real world I bet I lost about 5% if that. Which an 5870 can easily Clock to that with out a problem.

Now that I am getting rid of my 5870 and going to a 5850 Crossfire I really have gained allot.

For someone with a 4870x2 .... I can definitely see why it is not a priority to upgrade to a 5870 setup. But at the same time.... if you did it....it wouldn't be a waist of time or money at all.
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Wile E
Power User
20mmrain said:
One of my rigs actually upgraded form a 4870x2 to a 5870. Besides the cooler temps, DX11, and much more overclockable.
I got rid of any Crossfire micro stutter created from the 4870x2 being a Crossfire setup in one card.

Plus with that said in real world performance..... they are a lot closer than you think. As far as loss of FPS. In the real world I bet I lost about 5% if that. Which an 5870 can easily Clock to that with out a problem.

Now that I am getting rid of my 5870 and going to a 5850 Crossfire I really have gained allot.

For someone with a 4870x2 .... I can definitely see why it is not a priority to upgrade to a 5870 setup. But at the same time.... if you did it....it wouldn't be a waist of time or money at all.
I don't get the micro stutter issues on my rig.

Paying $400 for little to no performance gains is a waste of time and money by my standards.

Besides, if I did decide to go with something from this gen, it would probably be nV. If anything, it's time for a change for me.
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DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
Wile E said:
If anything, it's time for a change for me.
Never thought I'd see you obamafied.
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20mmrain
Wile E said:
I don't get the micro stutter issues on my rig.

Paying $400 for little to no performance gains is a waste of time and money by my standards.

Besides, if I did decide to go with something from this gen, it would probably be nV. If anything, it's time for a change for me.
LOL I thought I was the only one considering doing that. <--- considering trading 2 x 5850'x and a Corsair 750 TX PSU for 2xGTX 470's Just for a change of pace.

The only thing that is stopping me though is worrying that these cards because they run so hot..... might only last a year at tops if I need to keep them for a long time.
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Wile E
Power User
20mmrain said:
LOL I thought I was the only one considering doing that. <--- considering trading 2 x 5850'x and a Corsair 750 TX PSU for 2xGTX 470's Just for a change of pace.

The only thing that is stopping me though is worrying that these cards because they run so hot..... might only last a year at tops if I need to keep them for a long time.
They don't run that hot. The heat issues were fixed in the retail cards. It was a fan issue. The 470 was never really as hot as the 480 anyway tho, so you should be in even better shape.
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20mmrain
Wile E said:
They don't run that hot. The heat issues were fixed in the retail cards. It was a fan issue. The 470 was never really as hot as the 480 anyway tho, so you should be in even better shape.
I was just reading some very recent reviews from this month showing that a GTX 470 was running around 80c (Which isn't that bad) to 94c (Which is horrible)

Coming from a 5870 that did on Auto fan a max temp of 70c (While playing Crysis and other Highend games) Those temps are pretty high.

Considering that a 5870 is more powerful that a GTX 470. You would think that a GTX 470 would be the cooler one.

Not to mention my 5850's never run that hot.

But no pain no gain.... and this problem has still not deterred me from thinking about this decision. Ahhh choices choices.....

But I have been reading allot up on Physx lately and I didn't realize that I could be missing a fair amount in games with out it. That is the other factor here making me wonder if I should go for it.

But if you say they are not running that hot anymore.... maybe I will try to find some reviews
talking about that aspect. I'll Check it out.... If they got those temps down around 70c on Auto fan.... I would definitely check a GTX 470 SLI setup out :)
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#22
lyndonguitar
I play games
i heard some manufacturer also left Nvidia about a few weeks ago and got to ATI and built also a COOL card to have "revenge". may i ask what it is?
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#23
phanbuey
20mmrain said:
I was just reading some very recent reviews from this month showing that a GTX 470 was running around 80c (Which isn't that bad) to 94c (Which is horrible)

Coming from a 5870 that did on Auto fan a max temp of 70c (While playing Crysis and other Highend games) Those temps are pretty high.

Considering that a 5870 is more powerful that a GTX 470. You would think that a GTX 470 would be the cooler one.

Not to mention my 5850's never run that hot.

But no pain no gain.... and this problem has still not deterred me from thinking about this decision. Ahhh choices choices.....

But I have been reading allot up on Physx lately and I didn't realize that I could be missing a fair amount in games with out it. That is the other factor here making me wonder if I should go for it.

But if you say they are not running that hot anymore.... maybe I will try to find some reviews
talking about that aspect. I'll Check it out.... If they got those temps down around 70c on Auto fan.... I would definitely check a GTX 470 SLI setup out :)
A fix of the thermal paste on the 470 would prolly bring those more in line.
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20mmrain
phanbuey said:
A fix of the thermal paste on the 470 would prolly bring those more in line.
Probably a great point :)
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